>> The man known as Colin King, codenamed Ninjak, is one of the United Kingdom's best intelligence operatives:
Despite having no innate superhuman abilities, Ninjak is considered one of the most skilled and dangerous beings on earth. He is a master weapon user and has extremely proficient stealth abilities. He has also shown extremely advanced martial arts knowledge, being able to kill a man in one strike and even engage superhuman opponents. He is very accurate with his choice of ranged weapon, the shuriken, and is capable of throwing many of them at one time in order to kill multiple targets. Above all else, Ninjak has shown that he can adapt to even the most perilous situations in order to either defeat a more powerful opponent, or at the very least live to fight another day. Ninjak has shown that he is in prime physical condition. He has shown his speed, agility and reflexes on numerous occasions, being able to dodge sword swipes from X-O Manowar, leap from a falling plane onto a cargo box, weave between multiple close range energy blasts and even dodge gunfire without looking.
> Lin Beifong
>> The Chief:
Lin Beifong is the Chief of Police of the Republic City Police Department, the daughter of Toph Beifong and Kanto, and the older half sister of Suyin Beifong. Lin is brave, loyal, and willing to sacrifice herself in order to do what she believes is right.
Earthbending: Like her renowned mother, Lin has mastered earthbending to a similar level. She is equally proficient in the traditional Hung Gar earthbending style and her mother's self-taught Chu Gar Praying Mantis style. She is able to easily elevate multiple large boulders simultaneously, as well as launch herself high up into the air. Lin has also demonstrated a great mastery over the seismic sense technique, which allows her to detect the layout of the surrounding area and the people within it with great accuracy and detail. Thus, she is easily able to locate subterranean structures, as well as determine with accuracy who is within the general vicinity.
Metalbending: As the chief of the Metalbending Police Force, Lin is especially proficient in the specialized art of metalbending. She is able to rip metal beams or floors from their bearings and single-handedly tear apart an airship's metal hull. For more general use, Lin uses her standard retractable metal cables, which are highly versatile in battle. With them, she is able to perform considerable feats of acrobatics, easily maneuvering around cavernous locations, such as the Pro-bending Arena. She can also fashion them as wrist blades for close-quarters combat. Lin has also performed intricate and otherwise delicate metalbending as well, from unlocking metal handcuffs from a distance to wrapping her armor around herself, and even closing up Bolin's zipper.
> Hand Ninjas (x20)
>> The supervillainous ninja organization:
The nascent Hand first formed about 800 years ago in feudal Japan, as a reaction to the oppressive class system that characterized Japanese society in that period. A number of Japanese citizens left their homes and settled in the mountains. There, they cultivated skill in ninjutsu, and through rigorous training became experts at assassination and espionage. The group officially came together in 1588 under the command of Kagenobu Yoshioka, who turned his samurai school into a bastion of support for the common man. Yoshioka was eventually assassinated, and command of the group co-opted by the Snakeroot, an ancient ninja clan who turned the Hand to demon worship and black magic. The Hand began working as mercenaries, and sought to extend its influence throughout the world. The Hand consists largely of unknown masked people, but has featured numerous named characters at various points in its history. Throughout its history various heroes have been press-ganged into service by the dark magic of the Hand. They have also employed numerous villains.
> Alexander Anderson
>> Father Anderson, the God's Assassin:
He is a Vatican priest, working as a vampire purifier and slayer for the Iscariot branch of the Vatican. He is also the arch-rival of Alucard. He lives in Italy, operating an orphanage outside Vatican City. He serves as the foil to Alucard as both an antagonist and type of anti-villain in the series. As Iscariot's "trump card", he is the single greatest warrior the Vatican can bring to bear. Alucard noted that he was the only one who he'd let defeat him (in accordance to Alucard's own belief that only a man can slay a monster). Anderson possesses extraordinary strength, speed, and reflexes, far above what is considered normal for a human. He also possesses a great deal of dexterity, agility, coordination, balance and stamina.
Father Anderson is a "Regenerator," meaning that he is able to restore body parts that are lost and heal himself. Thanks to his healing, Anderson is very durable. He is able to shrug off automatic-gunfire from multiple simultaneously firing weapons, and even Alucard's explosive silver bullets.
In battle, Alexander Anderson uses scores of blessed bayonets presumably made of silver as well as smaller blades which are held between his fingers like claws. He wields the bayonets in close-combat (one in each hand) like swords and can also throw them with alarming accuracy (especially considering that he often throws the bayonets in large numbers, usually holding them between his fingers).
// Initial Considerations \\
I put this team together intending to use their respective powers and abilities so that their actions could be maximized, giving rise to the creation of several tactics into a solid strategy. For this particular battle I'll be using some ninja tactics. The battle ground greatly favors my team considering that there's a lot of cover and many shadow spots to blend in. As you can realize, my team is very proficient in the use of stealth and they are also very agile. It's gonna be hard for your teammates to properly tag my ninja strike team, for the reasons stated above. The main goal will be close the distance where my team completely dominates and take your team out of the game quickly, accurately and efficiently.
// Main Strategy \\
First, Lin uses seismic sense to locate the exact position of your team. Then, the 20 hand ninjas will spread across the map charging at full speeds towards your direction. Ninjak activates his stealth camouflage to turn virtually invisible and go after the first wave of attack to deploy a surprise attack against one of your teammates the will be dealing with the ninjas, who possess enough reaction speed to dodge bullets. After that we have Alexander Anderson followed by Lin Beifong to strike your team in the middle of the mess, from where your team won't have room for thinking, but only reaction to the devastating assault my team will be delivering. The picture I'm presenting to you is that your team will be surrounded, with no place to go and will come down eventually, despite all your skilled characters, in close quarters it won't make much difference as my team possess ways to take you down very fast.
> Contingency plan!
If Lin end up not being fast enough to find your team before they can took flight, she will realize that her the team is dealing with enemies who can fly. In this case the strategy and tactics will suffer a slightly modification, since now they will be aware of this new information and will adapt/act accordingly, as follows:
1. Ninjak uses his sensors to easily locate your team from his initial position. He can pick audio from distance, radar scanner and countless mini-drones located in his sword that are capable of searching for heat signatures. When they found their target the Mini-Drones can pick up clean audio and feed it directly back to Ninjak. Results: My team finds your team first with detailed information about the enemy, which includes a myriad of personal information about them, including their name, training level and occupation. They also show Ninjak how aware his target is, if their heart rate is increasing or decreasing, what weapon they are armed with, etc.
2. From this moment on, my team possess valuable info about your team, which will be translated to an especific approach. Ninjak will make his move with the Hand Ninajs as described in the below tactic. We already know Batwing is wearing a high-tech suit/armor for example, and Ninjak knows exactly how to deal with them. Batwing is not as skilled as Colin, so he will go down very quickly, leaving Static alone to fight against multiple enemies at the same time.
3. While all this happens, Lin will be free to help the Priest engage Static in a fight. As both earthbender and metalbender, Lin can even out Static control over metal and distract him with successive mixed attacks. Her main goal in this fight is to distract Static with her abilities. At this point, Ninjak and what is left from the Hand Ninjas will tag team to put him down.
4. It shouldn't be hard for Lin to keep Static busy considering the amount of training and experienced she had in the arts of metalbending, being able to evenly fight other skilled metalbenders, like her sister Suyin.
5. Static shielding/force-fields will protect him at first but he can't deal with multiple skilled enemies striking him nonstop from multiple direction, using different methods, from close to long range attacks. One effective way to put him down will be through chemical weapons/knockout gas. Static has no way to effectively block all strikes and deal with those at the same time.
// Tactics \\
These tactics will be used by the characters in consonance with what was proposed in main strategy.
The Shuriken'Strike!
Ninjak will share some of his standard gear with the hand ninjas to increase their game. Like the shurikens which comes in many forms including standard, smoke, explosive, flashbang, tranquillizer and more. Ninjak even has shuriken that spit out smaller blades that automatically target and kill foes. Ninjak is able to throw multiple shuriken at one time accurately enough to kill four or more targets at once, or even to disarm distant enemies. He usually has a shuriken suited to aid him for any given situation. This move will assure that your team won't have any alternative other than protect themselves considering that a flury of shurikens will be thrown as the ninjas manage to engage your team in close combat. Ninjak will come right after that invisible to kill one of your teammates with a surprise attack.
The Maze!
In a scenario like this one that was given for us, Lin Beifong can pretty much control the environment around her and displace the buildings, close or open ways, block the passage and even enclose your team. She will perform the earthbending in order to give the team the opportunity to strike yours unnoticed or as much close to a sneak attack as possible. She can disturb and disorient your team with earthbending, literally preparing the ground to provide cover for the rest of the team to come and deliver their attacks.
Alexander Anderson will be there using all his impetus to gash any remaining threats that may be standing, but primarily Static. The Priest is fast enough to dodge any attempt of attack coming from his enemy here and once his defenses is neutralized, he just need one hit to cut him in half.
In short:
Your team is outnumbered from the start.
My team adopted a stealth approach to defeat the enemy with surprise attacks.
Neither Static nor Batwing can successfully track and deal with multiple enemies at the same time.
Batwing isn't skilled enough to avoid being killed by Ninjak, who possess all sorts of gadgets to neutralize his armor.
Lin Beifong alone using the combination of earth and metalbending can distract and keep Static busy long enough to the rest of the team come to her aid and put him down.
Static sheild will protect him from her combined strikes but can't prevent him from being hit by a knockout gas, tranquilizer or chemical compunds made to put down superhuman foes.
Alexander Anderson will take advantage of the situation and put him down with a clean strike, since most of the time Static needs to focus in order to perform most of his standard feats.
1. So Static immediately charges the area around our team after going airborne as he usually does. This will ensure that if your team gets close, they will be grabbed and stuck to a wall even if Static somehow doesn't see them.
2. Batwing immediately goes stealth mode and flies towards your team, seeing everyone due to the vision his suit provides (check the respect thread).
3. Given that your team seems to be armed with normal weapons (maybe you can prove me wrong) Batwing should actually be able to tank anything you throw at him since he's bulletproof and missile proof. Him being invisible and generally skilled enough to take on groups of lions and soldiers at once should also let him not be hit by your team.
4. Batwing will take your team down with sonic attacks, flash grenade rays, taser whips, nets, batarangs, and if need be blasters and explosives/incendiaries. But preceding that will be gas (sedative and tear gas) to take your team out at once. If they survive, they get the onslaught. (If you haven't noticed, I'm using composite Batwing, and it's in the respect threads)
5. While this is happening, Static will be flying up in his forcefield, looking for your team, and disarming them (lots of metal weapons), immobilizing them, and magnetizing them, leaving them floating mid air doing nothing (makes it easier for Batwing and gets anyone Batwing misses). He'll also use electromagnetic sight (and be warned by Batwing) to see anyone not visible by sight and get them as well.
6. Static's forcefield will defend him from anything you can do, and as he can use multiple powers at once, he'll be able to easily take your team out as said above with immobilization or magnetizing them, and also has his taser punch, lightning balls, lightning blasts, etc.
7. And Static's trump card, he can simply fly far above your team and cancel their EM impulses as he did in the savage hawkman scans.
8. All of this is in the respect threads.
9. I do want to point out that Batwing is skilled enough to also take on talons 1v1 and is protected from swords and machetes, also shown in the respect threads.
10. Also that if you get close to Static (he's not flying towards you), the charges he set out before will leave you immobile and stuck to a wall.
Overall
1. We have armor and forcefields to block any of your attacks
2. Batwing will take on your team with extreme skill, durability, and nifty gadgets, all while invisible. He can also see invisible people due to his detective vision
3. Static has the area charged, to stick you guys to walls, will immobilize you, magnetize you, and possibly shut down your EM Impulses if need be
4. We're too durable, too versatile, and counter your team pretty hard
5. Seriously, your team has tons of metal. Static can disarm you by sneezing.
It was already bad enough to go to your links, now I have to make a full search? Are you kidding me?
Back to basics
1. So Static immediately charges the area around our team after going airborne as he usually does. This will ensure that if your team gets close, they will be grabbed and stuck to a wall even if Static somehow doesn't see them.
This statement confirms my strategy: (Ninjak uses his sensors to easily locate your team from his initial position..)
So considering the diverseness and amount of info his sensors/mini-drones can provide him in real time, Ninjak already knows who you are and what you just did, it should also include shared information between Static and Batwing, unless they are acting on their on without any kind of teamwork. This also means that my team won't will not fall into the "charged trap".
2. Batwing immediately goes stealth mode and flies towards your team, seeing everyone due to the vision his suit provides (check the respect thread).
I'll just ignore this and act like not feats were provided, so unless you post the scans or specific links there's nothing to counter here.
3. Given that your team seems to be armed with normal weapons (maybe you can prove me wrong) Batwing should actually be able to tank anything you throw at him since he's bulletproof and missile proof. Him being invisible and generally skilled enough to take on groups of lions and soldiers at once should also let him not be hit by your team.
Thanks to his resources, Ninjak's katanas were forged from a super-metal beyond that of any conventional alloys. It can easily cut through metal and should be enough to cut through Batwing's armor, since the ninja can add strength to it by vibrating the sword on a supersonic frequency.
As for invisibility, first you need to provide feats for Batwing, and it means nothing to Ninjak sensors and radar scanner, since he can track via heat signatures and even pick audio from distance. This only translates to my ninja being able to slince him by surprise.
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4. Batwing will take your team down with sonic attacks, flash grenade rays, taser whips, nets, batarangs, and if need be blasters and explosives/incendiaries. But preceding that will be gas (sedative and tear gas) to take your team out at once. If they survive, they get the onslaught. (If you haven't noticed, I'm using composite Batwing, and it's in the respect threads)
Batwing will go down before he manage to accomplish anything worthwhile. He first needs to deal with 20 Hand Ninjas throwing all sorts of shurikens at him, and among them you have Ninjak, invisible from the start, using his stealth skills to make a silent approach and put him down unnoticed. The hand ninjas were able to tag team on Daredevil before, who is far more skilled than Lucas Fox. They were even able to overwhelm the likes of Wolverine, Iron Fist and Spider-Woman (who can fly btw).
5. While this is happening, Static will be flying up in his forcefield, looking for your team, and disarming them (lots of metal weapons), immobilizing them, and magnetizing them, leaving them floating mid air doing nothing (makes it easier for Batwing and gets anyone Batwing misses). He'll also use electromagnetic sight (and be warned by Batwing) to see anyone not visible by sight and get them as well.
Considering that at this point my team already possess intel on Static, he won't have a free ride like that. My team isn't standing still and Lin Beifong is providing cover to them through her metalbending. As far as I'm concerned, Static can't see through metal. His EM vision is limited to trace heat signatures and he must focus to perform this feat. I'm sure he will find a hard timing finding my team who moves quite fast in stealth mode while being covered by Lin. Not to mention that one single hand ninja can compromise his performance, regardless of shields/force-field with a single flashbang. There's a bunch of ninjas all across the map, and they all possess flashbangs among other gear. It's safe to say that one of them will be able to successfully tag Static since he doesn't have enhanced senses or 360º view, he can't protect himself for all sides and even if he puts up his shielding it won't prevent from being affected by a flashbang. EM shields do not block ambient light or sound so there goes your MVP, overthrown by a regular hand ninja.
But before you try to highball your character or lowball my team/gear, let's see how effective a well placed flashbang can be?
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Yeah, good enough to compromise even Aric in his X-O Manowar armor. Static has no defense for that.
6. Static's forcefield will defend him from anything you can do, and as he can use multiple powers at once, he'll be able to easily take your team out as said above with immobilization or magnetizing them, and also has his taser punch, lightning balls, lightning blasts, etc.
Please show me scans where the EM force-field prevents Static from being hit by a flashbang. Or being able to neutralize chemicals, toxic gas and tranquilizers? Ninjak possess enough reaction speed to dodge lasers, bullets, energy blasts from an alien armor, etc.
As already said, the EM force-field doesn't prevent him from being affected by both ambient light and sound. One single flash bang is more than enough to neutralize him, and my team possess several at disposal being used by multiple enemies at the same time.
7. And Static's trump card, he can simply fly far above your team and cancel their EM impulses as he did in the savage hawkman scans.
Show me a scan where Static , in character, manage to perform this feat against people/humans he doesn't know, other than zombies (already dead). He's a hero, I doubt that he would resort to such thing here.
8. All of this is in the respect threads.
It's your BASIC job to provide feats for your characters, to prove that what you are saying is legit, now if you don't even care about that I'm not sure what you pretend to accomplish here. I see it as a sad and lazy attitude from your part, but coming from you I can't say I'm really surprised though.
9. I do want to point out that Batwing is skilled enough to also take on talons 1v1 and is protected from swords and machetes, also shown in the respect threads.
That's not enough, Ninjak is more skilled by feats, possess previous intel on the enemy, which means he knows how to put him down. Also going stealth/invisible from the start while the Ninjas strike him with Lin Beifong providing cover to them.
10. Also that if you get close to Static (he's not flying towards you), the charges he set out before will leave you immobile and stuck to a wall.
So if he's not flying towards my team he's doing what from distance? He can't see my team who moves with coverage. He can't see through structures and can't properly track all heat signatures at once.
Bottom line.
1. We have armor and forcefields to block any of your attacks
Ninjak dealt with superior armors before and EM forcefields means nothing to a flashbang.
2. Batwing will take on your team with extreme skill, durability, and nifty gadgets, all while invisible. He can also see invisible people due to his detective vision
Batman possess extreme skill, not Batwing, you must be confusing the characters. As already said, Ninjak already manage to get past superior armor. Since you provided zero scans to prove how good is his invisibility, Ninjak possess superior stealth feats with invisibility.
3. Static has the area charged, to stick you guys to walls, will immobilize you, magnetize you, and possibly shut down your EM Impulses if need be
That's not going to work since Ninjak already knows about this possibility and my team is smart enough to avoid it. And Static isn't shutting anyone down via EM impulses because that's not something he does in character. The only instance where he did it was against zombies!
4. We're too durable, too versatile, and counter your team pretty hard
Durability means nothing here as already explained, Ninjak sword vibrates on a supersonic frequency so he will be able to cut Batwing just fine. My team is also pretty versatile and I've used their skills/gear to maximize their performance as a team, instead of just stating vague claims.
5. Seriously, your team has tons of metal. Static can disarm you by sneezing.
He can't disarm what he can't see, especially not after being blasted by a flashbang.
What you need to do:
First of all you need to provide scans for your claimed feats, otherwise they are inexistent, I'm not going to look for them in a respect thread;
Prove that Static can deal with multiple skilled enemies at the same time striking him from all directions;
Prove that Static's EM field can block/neutralize/protect him from a flashbang (both ambient light and sound);
Prove that Static has a way to neutralize toxic gas, chemicals and tranqulizers, all being used to strike him in this scenario;
Prove that Static can see through structures/solid objects, regardless of it's composition, to find my team that is moving stealthily while being covered by Lin Beifong.
This statement confirms my strategy: (Ninjak uses his sensors to easily locate your team from his initial position..)
So considering the diverseness and amount of info his sensors/mini-drones can provide him in real time, Ninjak already knows who you are and what you just did, it should also include shared information between Static and Batwing, unless they are acting on their on without any kind of teamwork. This also means that my team won't will not fall into the "charged trap".
1. I need some proof that your drones can
A. See electromagnetic charges. To even tell what Static is doing
B. Not be disarmed/messed up by electromagnetic discharge
C. Not be seen by Static's electromagnetic sight and disabled by him
D. Get to Static in time. Static is doing everything at the very beginning of the match. Meaning it takes less than 5 seconds for him to fully charge the area, fly up, locate your team, and immobilize them. If your drones can't get to Static and back within that time, they're useless. Also remember that your initial plan is to have Lin try to sense my team, wasting even more time.
Super Metal Katana
Thanks to his resources, Ninjak's katanas were forged from a super-metal beyond that of any conventional alloys. It can easily cut through metal and should be enough to cut through Batwing's armor, since the ninja can add strength to it by vibrating the sword on a supersonic frequency.
1. Again gonna need some proof that you can cut through bullet-proof objects that other swords can't even scratch. And that your super vibrating helps cutting as well.
2. Then I'm gonna need an explanation of why Static doesn't disarm you with electromagnetism as I stated he would.
Invisibility
As for invisibility, first you need to provide feats for Batwing, and it means nothing to Ninjak sensors and radar scanner, since he can track via heat signatures and even pick audio from distance. This only translates to my ninja being able to slince him by surprise.
Batwing will go down before he manage to accomplish anything worthwhile. He first needs to deal with 20 Hand Ninjas throwing all sorts of shurikens at him, and among them you have Ninjak, invisible from the start, using his stealth skills to make a silent approach and put him down unnoticed. The hand ninjas were able to tag team on Daredevil before, who is far more skilled than Lucas Fox. They were even able to overwhelm the likes of Wolverine, Iron Fist and Spider-Woman (who can fly btw).
1. Again, the showings for how long it took Ninjak to track heat signatures is far too long. Batwing will have attacked by then and Static surely would've immobilized your team by the time yous et all that up. As for proof for Batwing check the scans section
There. Those two scans.
2. Hand Ninjas are nothing. Batwing's still invisible to them even if Ninjak himself can see heat signatures. Plus you've shown nothing as far as countering tear gas, sedatives, batarangs from nowhere, sonic attacks, or flash grenade rays. And shuriken will just bounce off of Batwing as he's buleltproof.
Batwing being bulletproof is also in the scan section. As is everything I mentioned.
Metalbending and other vs. Static
Considering that at this point my team already possess intel on Static, he won't have a free ride like that. My team isn't standing still and Lin Beifong is providing cover to them through her metalbending. As far as I'm concerned, Static can't see through metal. His EM vision is limited to trace heat signatures and he must focus to perform this feat. I'm sure he will find a hard timing finding my team who moves quite fast in stealth mode while being covered by Lin. Not to mention that one single hand ninja can compromise his performance, regardless of shields/force-field with a single flashbang. There's a bunch of ninjas all across the map, and they all possess flashbangs among other gear. It's safe to say that one of them will be able to successfully tag Static since he doesn't have enhanced senses or 360º view, he can't protect himself for all sides and even if he puts up his shielding it won't prevent from being affected by a flashbang. EM shields do not block ambient light or sound so there goes your MVP, overthrown by a regular hand ninja.
But before you try to highball your character or lowball my team/gear, let's see how effective a well placed flashbang can be?
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Yeah, good enough to compromise even Aric in his X-O Manowar armor. Static has no defense for that.
Please show me scans where the EM force-field prevents Static from being hit by a flashbang. Or being able to neutralize chemicals, toxic gas and tranquilizers? Ninjak possess enough reaction speed to dodge lasers, bullets, energy blasts from an alien armor, etc.
As already said, the EM force-field doesn't prevent him from being affected by both ambient light and sound. One single flash bang is more than enough to neutralize him, and my team possess several at disposal being used by multiple enemies at the same time.
Show me a scan where Static , in character, manage to perform this feat against people/humans he doesn't know, other than zombies (already dead). He's a hero, I doubt that he would resort to such thing here.
That's not enough, Ninjak is more skilled by feats, possess previous intel on the enemy, which means he knows how to put him down. Also going stealth/invisible from the start while the Ninjas strike him with Lin Beifong providing cover to them.
So if he's not flying towards my team he's doing what from distance? He can't see my team who moves with coverage. He can't see through structures and can't properly track all heat signatures at once.
1. No you don't have intel. Without proof, your intel gatherers don't get to us, see EM charges, gather info, and get back to you in seconds. Static's entire part in this is taking 5 seconds atmost.
2. LOLwut. You can't block EM with metal. He creates an EM field that confiscates all metal in the area, it's not an individual effort. Lin's metal will simply be taken along with the rest of the metal.
3. Flashbangs are cool, but the forcefield would still be up (need proof of them having flashbangs btw) and you'd still be unable to hurt me. All you'd do is blind Static for a little while. And that's assuming that the guy who reacts to exploding bombs just fine and bullets and such wouldn't stop the flashbang before it got to him. And that the flashbang's not metal and wouldn't be confiscated.
4. And again, I bring up the time thing. You have to wait for Lin's sensing to fail and then your information gathering to do its work. By that time, Static has already won.
5. And Batwing will be taking you all on, invisible and very skilled and you won't definitely won't be able to get by him after all the information gathering and the 5 seconds.
6. That Flashbang wasn't impressive. Just blinded the guy. Which poses no threat to Static. I can show Static's shields blocking toxic gas and whatnot, if you wish. Check the scans section.
7. Canceling your EM Impulses doesn't necessarily mean killing you, just taking you down. He's put people to sleep and you're ignoring that he's immobilizing and magnetizing your far before that. As for scans, you guessed it, check the scans section.
8. Ninjak isn't more skilled than Rose Wilson (who Static's defeated) or much more than Talons since they've taken on the likes of Batman and Jason Todd and hung with them.
9. Yes Static is doing this from a distanced. Again, scan section for proof.
Bottom Line
1. We have armor and forcefields to block any of your attacks
Ninjak dealt with superior armors before and EM forcefields means nothing to a flashbang.
2. Batwing will take on your team with extreme skill, durability, and nifty gadgets, all while invisible. He can also see invisible people due to his detective vision
Batman possess extreme skill, not Batwing, you must be confusing the characters. As already said, Ninjak already manage to get past superior armor. Since you provided zero scans to prove how good is his invisibility, Ninjak possess superior stealth feats with invisibility.
3. Static has the area charged, to stick you guys to walls, will immobilize you, magnetize you, and possibly shut down your EM Impulses if need be
That's not going to work since Ninjak already knows about this possibility and my team is smart enough to avoid it. And Static isn't shutting anyone down via EM impulses because that's not something he does in character. The only instance where he did it was against zombies!
4. We're too durable, too versatile, and counter your team pretty hard
Durability means nothing here as already explained, Ninjak sword vibrates on a supersonic frequency so he will be able to cut Batwing just fine. My team is also pretty versatile and I've used their skills/gear to maximize their performance as a team, instead of just stating vague claims.
5. Seriously, your team has tons of metal. Static can disarm you by sneezing.
He can't disarm what he can't see, especially not after being blasted by a flashbang.
1. No, Ninjak hasn't dealt with superior armors. I need proof of that. Flashbangs do nothing to an EM forcefield. You're still unable to harm Static
2. Batwing (Fox) has taken on Legionnares, multiple lions, multiple soldiers, etc. all at once and has shown great skill in fighting. Batwing (Zambe) has shown great skill in taking on Talons, metahumans (before he had the suit) and becoming a top ranking member of a warlord's group as a child. Also taking on cops while on crutches.
3. Ninjak knows nothing until you prove what these information gathers can do/see as far as charges and that they can get back to you in time. And you can't avoid him immobilizing you or magnetizing you actively.
4. I need proof of Ninjak's sword cutting through anything since Batwing is buleltproof, missileproof, and swordproof.
5. Yes, yes he can disarm what he can't see. He creates a large field. As so:
1. So you haven't countered anything from invisibility to Static's powers and have a bunch of unsubstantiated claims. But more than that, your team loses due to speed and time. Plus metal vs. electromagnetism.
So let's give the timeline.
0-1 seconds: Batwing goes invisible, Static sets charges, Lin tries fails to sense us as we're airborne
1-3 seconds: Batwing begins to fly owards you, Static flies up and spots your team with EM Sense and sight and starts the disarming/immobilization/magnetizing of your team. Ninjak shares gear and sends out his information gatherers (unknown speed)
3-5 seconds: Batwing reaches your team and lays the smackdown via tear gas, sedative gas, batarangs, nets, explosive batarangs, flash grenade rays, sonic attacks, blasts, etc. Or he would, but Static has your team floating and doing nothing, completely immobile, disarmed, and incapacitated. He then puts you to sleep/down with a lightning blast. at this time Ninjak might've noticed someone invisible and set up his heat tracker and your team has begun traveling towards us. But too late.
So you see that you don't really have the resources or speed to reach us before Static takes you down, and Batwing would take you down if you did. You have no counter to sedative gas, tear gas, the bats with fear toxin, explosives, sonic attacks, etc. Batwing's arsenal outdoes yours. And Static disarms you and immobilizes you with no counter to that either.
2. So we win due to speed and the inability of your team to counter Static at all and to counter Batwing in a timely manner.
Scans
Batwing being bulletproof (all separate instances):
http://i.imgur.com/DL4A1po.png
http://i.imgur.com/cMvxkuW.png
http://i.imgur.com/Kei9B7j.png
http://i.imgur.com/w1j2q4v.png
Batwing being swordproof:
http://i.imgur.com/OAUXP8P.png
http://i.imgur.com/ZuzYGjo.png
Talons swords (stopped by Batwing's armor) piercing Batman's mech armor and Jason Todd's helmet:
A. See electromagnetic charges. To even tell what Static is doing
B. Not be disarmed/messed up by electromagnetic discharge
C. Not be seen by Static's electromagnetic sight and disabled by him
D. Get to Static in time. Static is doing everything at the very beginning of the match. Meaning it takes less than 5 seconds for him to fully charge the area, fly up, locate your team, and immobilize them. If your drones can't get to Static and back within that time, they're useless. Also remember that your initial plan is to have Lin try to sense my team, wasting even more time.
You seem to ignore the scans I've posted along with the explanation for them. I'll just post it again, try to read through it this time.
From X-O Manowar #6, we can see that Ninjak has a countless number of Mini-Drones built into his sword hilt, which are capable of searching for human heat signatures, unique substances and any combination of other characteristics and compounds within a fifty-kilometer radius. Upon finding their target the Mini-Drones can pick up clean audio and feed it directly back to Ninjak. (credits for the scans: I_like_swords)
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They are looking for nearby enemies and will find both Static and Batwing, just like it did to X-O Manowar, so there's no such thing as "see eletromagnetic charges". Static can't even see those micro dones, let alone mess with them, especially when his best feat was tracing heat signatures from fired bullets. My team is not shooting at you so that feat is pointless. Static also has no means of seeing through structures, so he won't be able to find my team from distance.
Now, this is only one way Ninjak possess to properly find your team. He possess other sensors and scanners to use to find your team. Ninjak has an audio translater capable of picking audio up from a distance and translating virtually any language, even ancient ones. He also possess a radar scanner capable of picking up targets from over a mile away.
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Source: Unity #1
Moving on to scanners, in Unity #5, Ninjak's scanners were capable of scanning other people, picking up a myriad of personal information about them, including their name, training level and occupation. They also show Ninjak how aware his target is, if their heart rate is increasing or decreasing, what weapon they are armed with, and if they are alive. As you can see in the last scan, Ninjak's scanners were able to analyse the X-O Manowar armor
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So, considering all that, it's way more likely for Ninjak to find and scan your team first than the opposite, since Static lack feats on this department. Now you add Ninjak's stealth skills and the fact he is using a gear to further increase his stealth (invisibility from his suit) and his hologram-belt, capable of projecting a hologram of himself which can throw off targeting systems, you will remain undetected and until your team manage to find him it will already be too late.
Quick recap, why your team won't find Ninjak in the first place?
Unparalleled stealth skills;
Invisibility from his armor;
Hologram-belt which can throw off targeting systems;
Static doesn't have X-ray vision to find the enemy at the given scenario;
Mini-drones, sensors and scanners allows Ninjak to orientate himself and be aware of the enemy position.
Special Katana!
1. Again gonna need some proof that you can cut through bullet-proof objects that other swords can't even scratch. And that your super vibrating helps cutting as well.
He normally uses a pair of blades, and they are made from a super-metal beyond that of any conventional earth alloys. - Unity #12 Preview. Next scans shows his sword being able to pierce through armor hunter dog:
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As you can see regular shurikens wasn't able to pierce through them but his blades could:
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2. Then I'm gonna need an explanation of why Static doesn't disarm you with electromagnetism as I stated he would.
First prove he can even detect my team, especially Ninjak, considering Static best tracking feats were tracing stationary heat signatures from bullets after they were fired.
Invisibility!
1. Again, the showings for how long it took Ninjak to track heat signatures is far too long. Batwing will have attacked by then and Static surely would've immobilized your team by the time yous et all that up.
As already said, Ninjak possess other means to locate your team, at this point the drones serve as a complement for him, since they can keep feeding him with constant information about your team. Ninjak tracking/scanning was enough to be used against a far more advanced armor (X-O Manowar) so against Batwing it should work even better.
2. Hand Ninjas are nothing. Batwing's still invisible to them even if Ninjak himself can see heat signatures.
Hand Ninjas are there for a matter of distraction. Batwing invisibility is not that great as I shall demonstrate. Let's see how good is it?
"Low level inviz" / "It isn't much.." - Batman.
"Invisibility is limited.. giving the ilusion of invisibility, but you have to remain still, otherwise there's a blurring effect"
So it's not that great is it? My team shall be able to perceive him just fine.
Static is going down!
Throwing a flashbang at him is a perfect way to bring him down. Unless you can prove me wrong, Static has no way to block/neutralize ambient light and sound. So, that being said, a single flashbang should be more than enough to deliver a major incapacitation to him, since it will severely compromise his sight and hearing, also throwing him off balance, which is enough to put him down and finish him off. Once again, Static has no way to protect himself from that.
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If Ninjak was able to hit Aric while using his full X-O Manowar armor, imagine what would happen to Static?
So as presented in my strategy,
The Shuriken'Strike!
Ninjak will share some of his standard gear with the hand ninjas to increase their game. Like the shurikens which comes in many forms including standard, smoke, explosive, flashbang, tranquillizer and more. Ninjak even has shuriken that spit out smaller blades that automatically target and kill foes. Ninjak is able to throw multiple shuriken at one time accurately enough to kill four or more targets at once, or even to disarm distant enemies. He usually has a shuriken suited to aid him for any given situation. This move will assure that your team won't have any alternative other than protect themselves considering that a flury of shurikens will be thrown as the ninjas manage to engage your team in close combat. Ninjak will come right after that invisible to kill one of your teammates with a surprise attack.
That leads us to the Hand Ninjas, will they be able to deliver a flury of flashbang shurikens? Let's take a look at Daredevil's remarks on Hand Ninjas stealth approach:
So yeah, that's perfectly plausible.
That Flashbang wasn't impressive. Just blinded the guy. Which poses no threat to Static. I can show Static's shields blocking toxic gas and whatnot, if you wish. Check the scans section.
So that flashbang that manage to incapacitate someone like X-O Manowar and his techno-organic symbiote is nothing? Yeah, I guess it's easier to deny without any true evidence right? What's blocking toxic gas has to do with a flashbang??
I believe I've presented enough proof to conclude that Static can't deal with a flashbang, in this case multiple flashbangs striking him at the same time. My team is too damm skilled, stealthy and well prepared to deal with yours from Ninjak's multiple tracking/scanning/sensors. Lin Beifong provides a general cover with earthbending and Alexander Anderson is too fast for Batwing, who had major troubles with far less skilled characters. Your team can't properly locate and react to my team assault, and being outnumbered from the start with multiple enemies striking at once with attacks that can deliver a major incapacitation in one hit shall be more than enough to assure the victory for the Ninja Strike Team!
You seem to ignore the scans I've posted along with the explanation for them. I'll just post it again, try to read through it this time.
From X-O Manowar #6, we can see that Ninjak has a countless number of Mini-Drones built into his sword hilt, which are capable of searching for human heat signatures, unique substances and any combination of other characteristics and compounds within a fifty-kilometer radius. Upon finding their target the Mini-Drones can pick up clean audio and feed it directly back to Ninjak. (credits for the scans: I_like_swords)
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They are looking for nearby enemies and will find both Static and Batwing, just like it did to X-O Manowar, so there's no such thing as "see eletromagnetic charges". Static can't even see those micro dones, let alone mess with them, especially when his best feat was tracing heat signatures from fired bullets. My team is not shooting at you so that feat is pointless. Static also has no means of seeing through structures, so he won't be able to find my team from distance.
Now, this is only one way Ninjak possess to properly find your team. He possess other sensors and scanners to use to find your team. Ninjak has an audio translater capable of picking audio up from a distance and translating virtually any language, even ancient ones. He also possess a radar scanner capable of picking up targets from over a mile away.
Well they do have to see electromagnetic charges according to what you said. See, I said this:
So Static immediately charges the area around our team after going airborne as he usually does. This will ensure that if your team gets close, they will be grabbed and stuck to a wall even if Static somehow doesn't see them.
Then you said this:
So considering the diverseness and amount of info his sensors/mini-drones can provide him in real time, Ninjak already knows who you are and what you just did, it should also include shared information between Static and Batwing, unless they are acting on their on without any kind of teamwork. This also means that my team won't will not fall into the "charged trap".
For you to know what Static just did, your drones would have to see electromagnetic charges or you would have no idea what I just did. That's what I was referring to.
As for the scans, I saw them last time, they take several seconds. Which is too much as Static and Batwing takes your team down in that time.
Moving on to scanners, in Unity #5, Ninjak's scanners were capable of scanning other people, picking up a myriad of personal information about them, including their name, training level and occupation. They also show Ninjak how aware his target is, if their heart rate is increasing or decreasing, what weapon they are armed with, and if they are alive. As you can see in the last scan, Ninjak's scanners were able to analyse the X-O Manowar armor
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So, considering all that, it's way more likely for Ninjak to find and scan your team first than the opposite, since Static lack feats on this department. Now you add Ninjak's stealth skills and the fact he is using a gear to further increase his stealth (invisibility from his suit) and his hologram-belt, capable of projecting a hologram of himself which can throw off targeting systems, you will remain undetected and until your team manage to find him it will already be too late.
These scanners are useless. If you get that close to Static, you're being charged and stuck to a wall. Immobile and useless. At best they might work for Batwing but he's attacking you by that time.
Quick recap, why your team won't find Ninjak in the first place?
Unparalleled stealth skills;
Invisibility from his armor;
Hologram-belt which can throw off targeting systems;
Static doesn't have X-ray vision to find the enemy at the given scenario;
Mini-drones, sensors and scanners allows Ninjak to orientate himself and be aware of the enemy position.
None of those matter because your suit would be giving off EM charges which Static can sense (as I showed in my scans with a hot-cold system) and can see (showed in a different scan). Also flying high gives him the birds eye view, and Batwing DOES have X-ray vision.
Your drones, sensors, and scanners are useless for reasons said above. They don't help you and are too slow.
Special Katana!
He normally uses a pair of blades, and they are made from a super-metal beyond that of any conventional earth alloys. - Unity #12 Preview. Next scans shows his sword being able to pierce through armor hunter dog:
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As you can see regular shurikens wasn't able to pierce through them but his blades could:
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2. Then I'm gonna need an explanation of why Static doesn't disarm you with electromagnetism as I stated he would.
First prove he can even detect my team, especially Ninjak, considering Static best tracking feats were tracing stationary heat signatures from bullets after they were fired.
1. A normal Katana can pierce something a shuriken cannot to be fair. That doesn't prove much, but I'll pretend like your special sword is something.
2. Those feats only put it on the same level as a Talon's sword which broke on Batwing's armor.
Let me quote "I can see in a wide range of the electromagnetic spectra". This would likely include X-ray, but I don't need it. Not only would your suit give off an electromagnetic charge he can sense, but as said before, him getting a birds eye view means he sees you before you see him.
Invisibility!
1. Again, the showings for how long it took Ninjak to track heat signatures is far too long. Batwing will have attacked by then and Static surely would've immobilized your team by the time yous et all that up.
As already said, Ninjak possess other means to locate your team, at this point the drones serve as a complement for him, since they can keep feeding him with constant information about your team. Ninjak tracking/scanning was enough to be used against a far more advanced armor (X-O Manowar) so against Batwing it should work even better.
2. Hand Ninjas are nothing. Batwing's still invisible to them even if Ninjak himself can see heat signatures.
Hand Ninjas are there for a matter of distraction. Batwing invisibility is not that great as I shall demonstrate. Let's see how good is it?
"Low level inviz" / "It isn't much.." - Batman.
"Invisibility is limited.. giving the ilusion of invisibility, but you have to remain still, otherwise there's a blurring effect"
So it's not that great is it? My team shall be able to perceive him just fine.
1. I already debunked your scanners and drones. They take far too long. By that time, Static has already taken out your team. Remember he can sense EM charges and even target them as with the zombie scan.
2. Congratulations, you looked up scans but ignored my own. I already showed that he can fly with perfect invisibility. Seen below:
http://i.imgur.com/WTMDeuh.png
See how nobody even notices him? Yeah. That's completely invisible. The explanation is either outdated or wrong.
It also works well in combat
http://i.imgur.com/XR2N6i2.png
The blurring effect will throw off your team as it did those group of soldiers.
Static Taking down your team and easily surviving their attacks
Throwing a flashbang at him is a perfect way to bring him down. Unless you can prove me wrong, Static has no way to block/neutralize ambient light and sound. So, that being said, a single flashbang should be more than enough to deliver a major incapacitation to him, since it will severely compromise his sight and hearing, also throwing him off balance, which is enough to put him down and finish him off. Once again, Static has no way to protect himself from that.
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If Ninjak was able to hit Aric while using his full X-O Manowar armor, imagine what would happen to Static?
So as presented in my strategy,
The Shuriken'Strike!
Ninjak will share some of his standard gear with the hand ninjas to increase their game. Like the shurikens which comes in many forms including standard, smoke, explosive, flashbang, tranquillizer and more. Ninjak even has shuriken that spit out smaller blades that automatically target and kill foes. Ninjak is able to throw multiple shuriken at one time accurately enough to kill four or more targets at once, or even to disarm distant enemies. He usually has a shuriken suited to aid him for any given situation. This move will assure that your team won't have any alternative other than protect themselves considering that a flury of shurikens will be thrown as the ninjas manage to engage your team in close combat. Ninjak will come right after that invisible to kill one of your teammates with a surprise attack.
That leads us to the Hand Ninjas, will they be able to deliver a flury of flashbang shurikens? Let's take a look at Daredevil's remarks on Hand Ninjas stealth approach:
So yeah, that's perfectly plausible.
That Flashbang wasn't impressive. Just blinded the guy. Which poses no threat to Static. I can show Static's shields blocking toxic gas and whatnot, if you wish. Check the scans section.
So that flashbang that manage to incapacitate someone like X-O Manowar and his techno-organic symbiote is nothing? Yeah, I guess it's easier to deny without any true evidence right? What's blocking toxic gas has to do with a flashbang??
Several things wrong with your strategy:
1. I showed Static countering sound:
http://i.imgur.com/faOUgJS.jpg
2. Static is high in the air, there's no way your shuriken or the Hand Ninja are reaching him
3. The same way Static redirected bullets and missiles (and shuriken are way slower), is the same way he can redirect and stop your flashbangs (even sending them back
4. Even if Static's disorientated, he's literally high in the air with a forcefield around him. Nothing about the flashbang causes him to fall or drop his forcefield even if he was hit with it
5. Ninjak has feats of having exactly 1 flashbang shuriken. So no flurries and no hand ninja throwing them
6. You forgot about the charge I set earlier as well as the disarming (even if you think Ninjak would be invisible, and he wouldn't, the hand ninja are still very visible and obviously carry metal weaposn. So the EM field disarms them, swords, shuriken, flashbangs, and even Ninjak himself regardless of if he's visible (and he is)). So your team would be stuck as soon as you got in range, magnetized to the area below Static and you wouldn't have any of your weapons.
Mini Diatribe/Summary
I believe I've presented enough proof to conclude that Static can't deal with a flashbang, in this case multiple flashbangs striking him at the same time. My team is too damm skilled, stealthy and well prepared to deal with yours from Ninjak's multiple tracking/scanning/sensors. Lin Beifong provides a general cover with earthbending and Alexander Anderson is too fast for Batwing, who had major troubles with far less skilled characters. Your team can't properly locate and react to my team assault, and being outnumbered from the start with multiple enemies striking at once with attacks that can deliver a major incapacitation in one hit shall be more than enough to assure the victory for the Ninja Strike Team!
1. No you haven't proven anything. There's no reason you've provided why messing with hearing and sight stops a forcefield. Even X-O Manowar was able to still attack Ninjak at the same efficiency (if not better) than before.
2. You also have ignored that Static can stop the flashbangs before they get to him and has neutralized sound before
3. Your sensors as discussed, take too long. By that time, your team is done.
4. Metalbending does nothing except get your team and Lin magnetized and stuck to said metal and electrified.
5. Batwing beat a Talon who is just as skilled as Anderson (who you haven't mentioned much and will be missing his knives due to Static(
6. We can properly locate you. Batwing has detective vision to locate you, Static can sense your EM charge (and will see the commotion when you fight Batwing) and is up in the air from a birds eye view.
My Side
1. You literally haven't addressed that Batwing can see you with detective vision nor a counter for his tranquilizers, sedative gas, bats, etc. No counter to the net, to the flash grenade ray (which you think is so great by your own words with flashbangs), batarangs, explosive batarangs, etc.
2. I also haven't seen how you plan to get close to Static without being charged and stuck to a wall. He's relatively stationary (dodging what he needs to, but forcefield takes care of your attacks) and the area around him is charged to grab you. Saw nothing to counter that.
3. I also saw no counter for Static immobilizing and charging your team. You say we can't find you, but the EM charges from your tech say otherwise (as well as from your brain). Plus the commotion as Batwing wipes out your team.
4. And no counter was given to the EM impulses from the sky tactic he used on the zombies.
Summary
1. You claim invisibility for Ninjak, but it leaves the rest of your team vulnerable to Static and OHKO'd.
2. Your invisibility is also countered by detective vision from Batwing (while he too is invisible as proven in scans) and Static sensing EM charges and seeing via the EM Spectra.
3. Your weapons and metalbending are....metal. Thus Static can disarm them and electrocute you through them should he choose
4. No counter was presented to batarangs, explosive batarangs, the various blasters Batwing has, his nets, sedatives, tranqs, gas, fear-toxin laced bats, none of his arsenal.
5. No counter was presented for Static's charging the area around himself, immobilizing you from far range, disarming you, targeting you via EM impulses as seen with the zombies, etc.
6. No solution was presented to get around and past Static's forcefield even if a flashbang would work
7. Static can block/neutralize sound, can block or redirect the flashbang itself (as he's done bullets and missiles), is high up in the sky for shurikens to reach, and ultimately would still have his forcefield up (and possibly would do an AoE attack with his lightning) if hit with the flashbang. Much like how X-O Manowar was able to in that scan, but Static's a bit better with that (he doesn't need to see to keep up a forcefield in the first place).
8. Your scanners/probes/drones are too slow and take seconds. My team's strategy is finished in seconds
9. You showed no way to get past Batwing's armor (only feats that at best equal a Talon's sword which broke on his suit)
10. Overall you're too slow, can't hurt my team, can't defend or counter my team's vast arsenal and versatility, and can't reach Static in the air. You can't dodge my attacks and can't survive them.
Overall Tracking // Radar, Sensors, Mini-drones and more..
For you to know what Static just did, your drones would have to see electromagnetic charges or you would have no idea what I just did. That's what I was referring to.
As for the scans, I saw them last time, they take several seconds. Which is too much as Static and Batwing takes your team down in that time.
Ninjak's drones doesn't need to see electromagnetic charges, that's nonsense. They only need to see Static, and according to the given scans, Ninjak will be able to analyze him, thus knowing his powers. His radar, audio and drones operates from distance and are independent of each other, which means he can use all his sensors to track your team and receive detaile info in a matter of seconds. For example, from the audio translater he can pick up clean audio and be aware of your team plans considering Static and Batwing would have to plan something before going into action.
Only Batwing has a way to properly track my team but his only feat was being able to see enemies that were close to him, you don't have any feat showing he can scan from long distances, something Ninjak was able to do with his gear. Static can't see through structures, since he doesn't have X-ray vision, so your feat is useless, since the only feat provided shows him being able to see heat signatures from already fired bullets, that's not enough to prove he can track a team of skilled stealth ninjas who are all moving towards your team using the shadow areas, also being covered by a earth/metal bender.
The other feats you posted are ridiculously out of context and do not apply to this battle, like at all. As usual you stretch your argument using baseless assumptions and out of context scans, let me show you and the voters what I'm talking about, let's see one of your feats.
Static has 2 tracking feats, I showed them. Here he senses an electromagnetic field:
"I'm sensing a really big electromagnetic field, maybe it's the power source for their weapons"
I'm sure none of my team gear possess the capacity to emit a really big electromagnetic field. But let's see your next scan:
So after searching for some time he was able to track the source. Then he needed 5 minutes to pick the lock is that it?! Or he needed 5 minutes to find the source? Either way he took quite some time to accomplish the feat, which he won't be able to do the same against my team who won't stand still waiting for him so you need to try harder.
Let me quote "I can see in a wide range of the electromagnetic spectra". This would likely include X-ray, but I don't need it. Not only would your suit give off an electromagnetic charge he can sense, but as said before, him getting a birds eye view means he sees you before you see him.
"Would likely include X-ray" Not at all. He's not Superman. According to your own feats, Static needs something "really big" to get under his radar, Ninjak's armor is made of hex-weave fabric, he's not using a metal armor or a power suit (he's a ninja remember?), there's no evidence it would emit enough electromagnetic field for Static to see, another baseless assumption from your part. Not to mention that "birds eye view" means absolutely nothing in a map like this:
According to my strategy:
[..] Lin Beifong will perform the earthbending in order to give the team the opportunity to strike yours unnoticed or as much close to a sneak attack as possible [..]
While Static waste his team looking for something he can't see, my team will be already prepare to put him down with a flurry of flashbangs.
Invisibility // Debunking feats!
Congratulations, you looked up scans but ignored my own. I already showed that he can fly with perfect invisibility.
That's not perfect invisibility, there's two clear instances where it's stated to be low level invisibility.
The explanation is either outdated or wrong.
Yeah now it's outdated or wrong? How convenient is that?!
That's what I call Respect Thread Debating. You have absolutely no idea about the context in the scans you are posting, you have absolutely no clue about the issues/references so that's why you can't give a proper explanation about it. It just shows how poor is your level of debating, which btw I'm sick of dealing with.
Not to mention that in one of those feats those people have no idea about his presence, or the possibility of a incomming threat, which is quite different from the combat situation in which we find ourselves in. My team already knows there's enemy presence they just need to find it.
Your own scans shows a completely different feat, since in the below scan it's clear that his armor does not grant complete invisibility:
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Static vs Flashbangs // An effective option!
I showed Static countering sound: http://i.imgur.com/faOUgJS.jpg
No you didn't, all you did was bring an out of context scans that proves nothing. There's nothing in that scans indicating that Static manage to counter that sound-based attack. In matter of fact, that serves me as the ultimate proof that Static can't deal with sound! It's clear to me that he has no answer for it since in your own scans he was hiding himself from the sound attack. If his force-fields are so great why he didn't used them? His solution was electrify the ground to hit directly the enemy and not his sound attack! He still needed an assistance in order to neutralize the foe!
Static is high in the air, there's no way your shuriken or the Hand Ninja are reaching him
That's not a problem, Ninjak has a homing shuriken which automatically lock-on to their target. X-O Manowar #8
Not to mention that Ninjak possess agility enough to reach a higher position with his smart boots that allow him to stick and run up surfaces. - Unity #1 & #4
Even if Static's disorientated, he's literally high in the air with a forcefield around him. Nothing about the flashbang causes him to fall or drop his forcefield even if he was hit with it
As far as I'm concerned Static isn't blind or deaf, nor possess superhuman durability. So without his shields he possess the same durability as a normal human. So when hit by a flash bang he will lose sigh, hearing, his balance, and won't be able to do nothing but try to recover his senses, just like would happen to a regular person.
Ninjak has feats of having exactly 1 flashbang shuriken. So no flurries and no hand ninja throwing them
So an insanely rich and resourceful high skilled ninja with advanced gear will only have one single flashbang at disposal? Really? That's your argument? Come on..
More Rebuttals
No you haven't proven anything. There's no reason you've provided why messing with hearing and sight stops a forcefield. Even X-O Manowar was able to still attack Ninjak at the same efficiency (if not better) than before.
So you are saying that despite the flashbang being enough to affect X-O Manowar high tech alien armor it would do nothing to Static? Great argument. Since when he was able to attack with the same efficiency? Based on what you say that?
You also have ignored that Static can stop the flashbangs before they get to him and has neutralized sound before
He can't stop what he can't see. Ninjak starts invisible and will remain undetected from your team. Static has not neutralized sound before (as already debunked), that's another baseless assumption from your part.
Quick recap, why your team won't find Ninjak in the first place?
Invisibility from his armor;
Unparalleled stealth skills;
Hologram-belt which can throw off targeting systems;
Static doesn't have X-ray vision to find the enemy at the given scenario;
Mini-drones, sensors and scanners allows Ninjak to orientate himself and be aware of the enemy position.
Add the fact there's 20 hand ninjas rushing in and attacking him from all directions, Lin Beifong earthbending and Alexander Anderson on top of all that, he can't deal with multike strikes from all directions at the same time and still react to a invisible ninja throwing a flashbang at him.
Metalbending does nothing except get your team and Lin magnetized and stuck to said metal and electrified.
I'm sure Lin Beifong can counter it with her metalbending, after all she essentially controls metal so I doubt it would work on her. Not to mention that she still have earthbending to strike Static with large boulders one after the other which will compromise his moves.
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Batwing beat a Talon who is just as skilled as Anderson (who you haven't mentioned much and will be missing his knives due to Static
Wait a minute, a Talon is just as skilled as Anderson? Based on what?! Are we talking about the same guy here? this Anderson?
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So this is the guy who manage to hang with Alucard, and even strike him multiple times. Once again you come with baseless assumptions, but this one have gone too far. Anderson is skilled to the point he can sneak upon Seras Victoria with ease.
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We can properly locate you. Batwing has detective vision to locate you, Static can sense your EM charge (and will see the commotion when you fight Batwing) and is up in the air from a birds eye view.
His detect vision seems to have limited range and my team will be on the move and he can't see Ninjak anyways thanks to his invisibility and hologram projection that can throw off targeting systems. Static EM vision doesn't help him as already explained, my team isn't emitting heat signatures like bullets nor enough electromagnetic pulses for him to sense. And birds eye view means nothing when you can't see the enemy, which is moving covered by the structures in the map.
And no counter was given to the EM impulses from the sky tactic he used on the zombies.
Right, now show me an instance where the hero Static, in character, uses EM impulses to shut down people just like he did on those freakin zombies!
In resume
Most of your feats are out of context or useless to the point they don't apply to the same battle situation given. Most of your arguments are baseless assumptions and you keep presenting a respect thread debating style, which means you just throw the feat without any plausible explanation about it, hoping people will buy it. That being said none of your feats actually means something valuable to this fight, since you failed to prove how it would be applied with real arguments instead of fallacies.
For example, Batwing invisibility is limited, as proved with two different instances where we see descriptions about it from two different characters, and later proved in a combat situation when it's clear to my eyes he was partially invisible, once again all proved with your own scans, which confirms my theory that you doesn't even know what you are talking about or worst, you deliberately try to distort facts with no limits fallacy.
Another example is Static ability to neutralize the effects of a flashbang, ambient light and sound. Only one scan was posted where only shows Static striking the ground with eletricity to hit directly the attacker and not the sound attack, which means he can't deal with it, otherwise he would just use his force-field for protection instead of hiding behind the garbage.
Static vision isn't enough to prove he can locate my team from distance and behind structures. One feat shows static seing heat signatures from fired bullets, which means they were already fired, quite different situation here since my team doesn't have the same properties of projectiles. The other feat Static manage to sense a "really big" electromagnetic field, and yet he needed 5 minutes to figure it out. My team doesn't emit electromagnetic field so that feat is useless. Batwing tracking is also limited and not as efficient as Ninjak's.
The truth is that you are having a hard time with Ninjak alone, which speaks volumes about your overall debating progress, especially when you have to resort to out of context scans, fallacies and baseless assumptions to defend your case.
How many times have Higorm vs Darkraiden happened? I think they have faced each other more than any other match up I've seen. Lol. And it always involves static.
Ninjak's drones doesn't need to see electromagnetic charges, that's nonsense. They only need to see Static, and according to the given scans, Ninjak will be able to analyze him, thus knowing his powers. His radar, audio and drones operates from distance and are independent of each other, which means he can use all his sensors to track your team and receive detaile info in a matter of seconds. For example, from the audio translater he can pick up clean audio and be aware of your team plans considering Static and Batwing would have to plan something before going into action.
Only Batwing has a way to properly track my team but his only feat was being able to see enemies that were close to him, you don't have any feat showing he can scan from long distances, something Ninjak was able to do with his gear. Static can't see through structures, since he doesn't have X-ray vision, so your feat is useless, since the only feat provided shows him being able to see heat signatures from already fired bullets, that's not enough to prove he can track a team of skilled stealth ninjas who are all moving towards your team using the shadow areas, also being covered by a earth/metal bender.
The other feats you posted are ridiculously out of context and do not apply to this battle, like at all. As usual you stretch your argument using baseless assumptions and out of context scans, let me show you and the voters what I'm talking about, let's see one of your feats.
1. Yes they do need to see electromagnetic charges. The scanners haven't shown to analyze anything past what knowledge can be found in a database. With Static not being in your world and with his name being Static and with others who prep for him assuming his powers are electrostatic, there is literally 0 ways for you to tell Static has electromagnetic powers. Thus, you won't be able to counter the electromagnetic charges he puts down. Audio is not helping you, no plans are being made. Batwing's acting on his own, and so is Static. At best is "you do you, I do me." But that won't even be said tbh.
2. Static can track electromagnetic impulses (hence the zombie feat), he can trace UV trails left by bullets and....he's up high in the sky and has a bird's eye view of the entire map. He'll plain out see you. Not that he needs to as Batwing has you taken out in no time.
3. Your plan of being covered by an earth and metalbender simply makes you more visible and easier to be heard. Earth bending makes sound and is VERY visible. Static and Batwing would notice random earth and metal being uprooted to 'cover' your team.
4. Plus Batwing can see you with his detective vision. He can at least see into and through an entire building. And as he can fly as fast as a jet, it won't take much time to find you. Especially given the wait times on you:
A. Making plans
B. Sharing weapons
C. Having Lin try to sense us
D. Sending sensors out
E. Waiting for sensors/drones/etc. to come back
By that time, he's already found as has Static and the fight is over.
Batwing catching up to a jet:
http://i.imgur.com/8lRY0kc.png
I'm sure none of my team gear possess the capacity to emit a really big electromagnetic field. But let's see your next scan:
So after searching for some time he was able to track the source. Then he needed 5 minutes to pick the lock is that it?! Or he needed 5 minutes to find the source? Either way he took quite some time to accomplish the feat, which he won't be able to do the same against my team who won't stand still waiting for him so you need to try harder.
I'd say your suit with various scanners and the ability to go invisible would likely give off an electromagnetic field (even X-O Manowar was able to sense you through a wall). He needed 5 minutes to pick the lock, but that's not relevant to this. What's relevant is that he was able to sense where it was from far away. In this case, you're not too far away and he has a good view on you from above.
"Would likely include X-ray" Not at all. He's not Superman. According to your own feats, Static needs something "really big" to get under his radar, Ninjak's armor is made of hex-weave fabric, he's not using a metal armor or a power suit (he's a ninja remember?), there's no evidence it would emit enough electromagnetic field for Static to see, another baseless assumption from your part. Not to mention that "birds eye view" means absolutely nothing in a map like this:
Why did you counter the X-Ray when I said he doesn't need it. That was a waste of typing. And for your information, X-Rays are literally part of the electromagnetic spectra. But as said before, you're using mini-drones, you're using scanners, and radars, and flashbangs (meaning circuitry, magnesium, other metals, etc.). You'd likely be very visible.
And yeah, birds eye view would be great. Going by the picture:
I'm at the red. So If I rise straight up into the air (it takes less than a second), then I'd literally be staring right at your team and be able to see the entire area. Especially given that you're the only people (and a large group at that) in the area besides me and Batwing.
Invisibility
Congratulations, you looked up scans but ignored my own. I already showed that he can fly with perfect invisibility.
That's not perfect invisibility, there's two clear instances where it's stated to be low level invisibility.
The explanation is either outdated or wrong.
Yeah now it's outdated or wrong? How convenient is that?!
That's what I call Respect Thread Debating. You have absolutely no idea about the context in the scans you are posting, you have absolutely no clue about the issues/references so that's why you can't give a proper explanation about it. It just shows how poor is your level of debating, which btw I'm sick of dealing with.
Not to mention that in one of those feats those people have no idea about his presence, or the possibility of a incomming threat, which is quite different from the combat situation in which we find ourselves in. My team already knows there's enemy presence they just need to find it.
Your own scans shows a completely different feat, since in the below scan it's clear that his armor does not grant complete invisibility:
1. That is literally shown to be complete invisibility. The cops nor anyone at the scene can get even a glimpse of Batwing as he's moving. According to the scan you posted, he'd be blurring, but he's not as no one notices him.
2. You don't pay attention and didn't even visit the respect thread. That scan you posted is in it. As for my poor level of debating, I literally just beat you in a tournament. With Static. And you had a better team.
3. Exactly, they don't know where he is so he's completely invisible. Just like your team. The second scan, the one you show, has him fighting while invisible and not getting tagged or seen. In fact, if you look, the soldiers are only looking to his position once someone is attacked and they look confused and lost. Just like your team will be.
Flashbangs vs. Static
No you didn't, all you did was bring an out of context scans that proves nothing. There's nothing in that scans indicating that Static manage to counter that sound-based attack. In matter of fact, that serves me as the ultimate proof that Static can't deal with sound! It's clear to me that he has no answer for it since in your own scans he was hiding himself from the sound attack. If his force-fields are so great why he didn't used them? His solution was electrify the ground to hit directly the enemy and not his sound attack! He still needed an assistance in order to neutralize the foe!
Static is high in the air, there's no way your shuriken or the Hand Ninja are reaching him
That's not a problem, Ninjak has a homing shuriken which automatically lock-on to their target. X-O Manowar #8
Not to mention that Ninjak possess agility enough to reach a higher position with his smart boots that allow him to stick and run up surfaces. - Unity #1 & #4
Even if Static's disorientated, he's literally high in the air with a forcefield around him. Nothing about the flashbang causes him to fall or drop his forcefield even if he was hit with it
As far as I'm concerned Static isn't blind or deaf, nor possess superhuman durability. So without his shields he possess the same durability as a normal human. So when hit by a flash bang he will lose sigh, hearing, his balance, and won't be able to do nothing but try to recover his senses, just like would happen to a regular person.
Ninjak has feats of having exactly 1 flashbang shuriken. So no flurries and no hand ninja throwing them
So an insanely rich and resourceful high skilled ninja with advanced gear will only have one single flashbang at disposal? Really? That's your argument? Come on..
1. What? Did you not pay attention to the scan? Let me show it with the preceding scan so you understand better:
So the enemy is clearly using sound, so much that they need to hide and can barely hear each other talk. Static then goes out, and either:
A. Uses his powers to turn the sound back on the guy
B. Uses his powers to neutralize the sound
C. Ignores the sound all together and uses his powers anyways
Either of those options bodes well for him dealing with a flashbang that won't be hitting him directly due to his forcefield (if it hits him at all).
2. Your homing shuriken are useless as they're not combined with your flashbang shuriken. A normal shuriken, homing or not, doesn't get past the forcefield.
3. So you have agility (which would make you painfully obvious to Static) but no way to get past the forcefield. Plus if you remember earlier in this battle I had Static:
Static immediately charges the area around our team after going airborne as he usually does. This will ensure that if your team gets close, they will be grabbed and stuck to a wall even if Static somehow doesn't see them.
So you'd be grabbed and stuck to a wall. Also your exoskeleton and homing beacon or w/e seem like they'd give off some electromagnetic charges. And you said Static wouldn't sense you.
4. Ok so say Static loses his hearing, his sight, and his senses (which he won't as I proved he can sense flashbangs and thus turn them back AND can neutralize or ignore sound), what does that have to do with his forcefields?
You still can't reach him or hurt him.
5. X-O Manowar was hit by the flashbang at point blank range (unlike Static) and still managed to fire a slew of shots in Ninjak's direction. That feat doesn't help you. I'm saying that Static will be able to function just like X-O Manowar. Still use his abilities. Thus the forcefield is up, thus you can't hurt me. Simple as that.
6. We're going by feats. You've shown exactly 1 flashbang shuriken used EVER. It'd be baseless to assume you have more than 1.
So you are saying that despite the flashbang being enough to affect X-O Manowar high tech alien armor it would do nothing to Static? Great argument. Since when he was able to attack with the same efficiency? Based on what you say that?
Because he kept blasting and appeared to almost his Ninjak and still keep him at bay.
Other
He can't stop what he can't see. Ninjak starts invisible and will remain undetected from your team. Static has not neutralized sound before (as already debunked), that's another baseless assumption from your part.
Quick recap, why your team won't find Ninjak in the first place?
Invisibility from his armor;
Unparalleled stealth skills;
Hologram-belt which can throw off targeting systems;
Static doesn't have X-ray vision to find the enemy at the given scenario;
Mini-drones, sensors and scanners allows Ninjak to orientate himself and be aware of the enemy position.
Add the fact there's 20 hand ninjas rushing in and attacking him from all directions, Lin Beifong earthbending and Alexander Anderson on top of all that, he can't deal with multike strikes from all directions at the same time and still react to a invisible ninja throwing a flashbang at him.
1. I already countered the sound one.
2. You can't say Ninjak has holograms, min-drones, scanners, sensors, radars, super charged exoskeletons, homing spoof, flashbangs, etc. and pretend like none of that gives off an electromagnetic charge. So you've already detailed why Static can see and sense you.
3. Batwing can still sense you.
4. Ninjak and the Hand Ninja and Alexander Anderson have already been disarmed by the EM field I showed Static can and has made.
5. Static has reacted to multiple machine-gun fire. So he has the reflexes. Better yet, he has a forcefield. That's an omnidirectional shield that blocks your attacks. He literally doesn't have to see you to block anything.
6. You haven't countered how you get past Static's charge he set at the beginning of the battle. Anything close gets charged and stuck to the wall remember?
I'm sure Lin Beifong can counter it with her metalbending, after all she essentially controls metal so I doubt it would work on her. Not to mention that she still have earthbending to strike Static with large boulders one after the other which will compromise his moves.
7. Metal Bending has literally nothing to do with electromagnetism. Prove it does. Plus she has to be able to move to metalbend. You're being stuck, immobile, and electrified. None of that allows you to move.
The boulder will be blocked by his shields (unless you can prove it's stronger than a building falling and various large explosions).
Wait a minute, a Talon is just as skilled as Anderson? Based on what?! Are we talking about the same guy here? this Anderson?
So this is the guy who manage to hang with Alucard, and even strike him multiple times. Once again you come with baseless assumptions, but this one have gone too far. Anderson is skilled to the point he can sneak upon Seras Victoria with ease.
8. Talons have, as I showed, temporarily struck, nearly killed, and matched the likes of Batman and Red Hood. That's far more skilled than anything Alexander has done (and I read and watched Hellsing), but I gave the benefit of the doubt to say they're equal. Alucard literally lets himself get hit in almost all of his fights, WANTS to die to a human (stated and shown) and has no skill feats on the level of Batman and Red Hood.
So yeah, Talon is just as skilled if not more than Anderson
His detect vision seems to have limited range and my team will be on the move and he can't see Ninjak anyways thanks to his invisibility and hologram projection that can throw off targeting systems. Static EM vision doesn't help him as already explained, my team isn't emitting heat signatures like bullets nor enough electromagnetic pulses for him to sense. And birds eye view means nothing when you can't see the enemy, which is moving covered by the structures in the map.
9. Detective vision isn't a targeting system so your hologram projection and invisibility are useless. EM vision helps due to the various gadgets Ninjak has that logically emit an electromagnetic charge along with his flashbangs. Your team is literally emitting a heat signature and it would stand out amongst the empty battlefield.
I already explained how the birds eye view would help. I'd literally be able to see everything. Especially with your plan of using earth and metal bending to cover you (which is really really obvious).
In resume
Stuff I already countered
As it says, I already countered all that.
My Side
So this is real, my strategy was laid out and you countered literally none of it. Not even the literal 1st bullet point. Especially the 1st bullet point. You just said "we wouldn't fall into that trap" but how? You need to explain. This is what I'm talking about:
1. So Static immediately charges the area around our team after going airborne as he usually does. This will ensure that if your team gets close, they will be grabbed and stuck to a wall even if Static somehow doesn't see them.
Nowhere do you say how you'd get around that. You talk about attacking me, but that's impossible as you have to come close and thus get stuck. You say Lin can 'probably counter that' but show no feats for her countering magnetism (which has nothing to do with metal bending or earth bending).
So again, you haven't countered my first point. That alone loses you the battle.
You also haven't even tried to counter:
3. Given that your team seems to be armed with normal weapons (maybe you can prove me wrong) Batwing should actually be able to tank anything you throw at him since he's bulletproof and missile proof. Him being invisible and generally skilled enough to take on groups of lions and soldiers at once should also let him not be hit by your team.
4. Batwing will take your team down with sonic attacks, flash grenade rays, taser whips, nets, batarangs, and if need be blasters and explosives/incendiaries. But preceding that will be gas (sedative and tear gas) to take your team out at once. If they survive, they get the onslaught. (If you haven't noticed, I'm using composite Batwing, and it's in the respect threads)
You tried for a second with Ninjak, but only showed feats that match a Talon's sword. Meaning you have 0 ways to hurt Batwing.
Let's not forget that Ninjak failed to cut or stab X-O Manowar with his sword (proving his sword isn't all that):
And you never even addressed Batwing's arsenal. So I have to accept that as a concession.
These too have been poorly countered or ignored
5. While this is happening, Static will be flying up in his forcefield, looking for your team, and disarming them (lots of metal weapons), immobilizing them, and magnetizing them, leaving them floating mid air doing nothing (makes it easier for Batwing and gets anyone Batwing misses). He'll also use electromagnetic sight (and be warned by Batwing) to see anyone not visible by sight and get them as well.
6. Static's forcefield will defend him from anything you can do, and as he can use multiple powers at once, he'll be able to easily take your team out as said above with immobilization or magnetizing them, and also has his taser punch, lightning balls, lightning blasts, etc.
I saw no counter for the disarming EM field that I showed, the one that showed that Static doesn't even need to see your team to do so. This means you have no shuriken, no swords, no knives, no anything metal to strike Batwing or Static with.
You also keep acting like I said Static has a front facing shield. No. He has a forcefield. This stops your attacks from all directions whether he's paying attention or not. And seeing as none of your attacks exceed building level or even gas bomb level, then you can't hurt Static, while he can just charge and immobilize you.
Now for my favorite part, my game of How it Happens.
How it Happens
I am using parts from both of our strategies from this.
1 second: Lin tries sensing us, Batwing goes invisible and flies looking for your team, Static flies up and charges the area
2-3 seconds: Lin turns to your team and tells them she sees nothing, Batwing, flying at jet speeds, finds your team and begins the assault with tear gas grenades, batarangs, nets, and the rest of his arsenal (stun grenade rays, sedative gas, tranquilizers, bats with fear toxin, taser whips, sonic attacks, blasters, etc.). You're not invisible yet, but if you were (and that's only Ninjak), Detective Vision would find you and you'd honestly be caught in the attack regardless due to it's nature (gas, sound, area attacks).
Static at this time has spotted your team and the commotion and disarms you and immobilizes you as said.
3-4 seconds: According to you, this would be when Ninjak would be releasing his mini-drones. After this he waits for them to come back (seconds by your own admission) and then would take time to share his weaponry. Unfortunately for you, this is when Batwing continues his assault with the weapons above and your team is all taken down, hurt, gassed, etc. While Static has disarmed you and immobilized you mid air.
4-8 seconds: This would be the time, according to you that Ninjak would receive what he needs from his scanners, drones, radar, etc. By this time, the attack is over and your team is put to sleep and KO'd.
8-15 seconds: This would be the time you would 'share your gear' and spread it amongst 20 ninjas. This would take some time. Luckily, Batwing and Static have already ended the fight.
15-20 seconds: This is when you said you'd be attacking Static. So you'd be coming towards us, but then being hit by the charges and stuck to the wall. Then Static would put you to sleep. But as shown, this ended in 3-5 seconds already.
The sad thing is, even if we took time to talk like "You go meet them head on, I'll take it to the skies and protect this area", that would only add 1-2 seconds on our time. You still wouldn't have time to release your drones or attack Static or any of that.
Flaws in Your Plan vs. Mine
1. You have a lot of time wasted.
You have Lin trying to sense us first, then talking to your team, then Ninjak scanning and sending out drones, then the drones coming back to him, then Ninjak sharing gear, and then finally going after Static. I have my people going at you right away, leaving you no time for any of this.
2. You haven't presented a way to hide your team successfully from Detective Vision.
Earth and Metal Bending are obvious and only Ninjak can go invisible. The rest are easily visible
3. You haven't presented a way to hurt my team.
Batwing's still too durable for shuriken and swords, leaving you no way to actually damage him. He could take you hand to hand if he wanted due to that inability. But he's not, he's using gadgets, all of them, and taking your group out that way.
4. You haven't presented an actual counter to Static's Electromagnetic abilities.
From his forcefield to his immobilization to charging the area to putting you to sleep, etc. The only attempted counter was "metal bending...somehow" as if Static doesn't charge metal:
http://i.imgur.com/kS7ba0e.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PfUQwv9.jpg
Conclusion
1. With no counter to my first point, no matter what your team does, the minute they get close to Static, they are charged and defeated.
2. Your strategy takes far too much time, while my team is ending the fight before your recon even ends.
3. You have provided 0 counters to Batwing's arsenal and Static's electromagnetic abilities
4. You have provided 0 ways to hurt my team
I think we've covered this for the most part. We should either go to votes or have one last concluding post each and go to votes.
@HigorM: Only loses due to it being an uphill battle, I think he debated better than @DarkRaiden: but he couldn't counter the other teams speed.
@Darkraiden: made good points about the other team wasting to much time, IMHO by the time the earth sense didnt work Batwing would already be on their asses, and @HigorM: never said how his team could take a surprise Attack from Batwing at CQC and Static in the air at the same time.
@darkraiden: @higorm: Good job to both, pretty decent debate. B+ overall fight Pretty damn good.
Grades:
Team:
Darkraiden: A-
Higorm: B+
Darkraiden has the better team on paper which he did show used his big gun pretty well throughout the fight. Higorm had a pretty good team too, but somehow Ninjak ended up singing lead vocals, when Alexander Anderson should have been the front man for this group. I will say that Darkraiden's weak Team Intro(respect thread) did hurt his overall team grade.
Scans:
Higorm: A
Darkraiden: C+
I think Raiden made a lot of missteps in how he used his scans and the way he was describing certain feats. I think Higorm was pretty solid in the way he used scans to describe how his team would accomplish tasks. Also Higorm did a good job of using scans from his oppents feats to debunk certain methods Darkraiden was trying to use.
Strategy:
Darkraiden: A
Higorm: B-
I think at first it seemed like Higorm had the superior tactics and strategy, but Raiden poked some holes into it by describing the time line. Honestly Higorms team would be wasting time with certain things Higorm had them doing.
Formatting:
Darkraiden: B-
Higorm: A-
It was much easier to read through Higorms post and connect the dots with his presentation that it was with Darkraiden's. Overall I don't have a major problem with Darkraiden's usage of links, but it's probably time to grow out of that. I will say though DR got a major negative point deduction for using respect thread think tank in his intro. Now, I too have connected a respect thread or two towards my presentations before. But, I did so in connection with displaying knowledge of my characters abilities.
Now there is nothing wrong with respect threads, but honestly respect threads outside of Comicvine are not well respected. Because a respect thread relies on the strength of a viners reputation that made the thread.
Also Higorm sited issue numbers/story lines for most of his comic scans, so I am giving him a higher grade for this area. I will say though Higorm, typing things in really big letters doesn't help your argument. Now, I'm not talking about you using big letters to highlight certain facts or titling of course. I am talking about things like this:
I believe I've presented enough proof to conclude that Static can't deal with a flashbang, in this case multiple flashbangs striking him at the same time. My team is too damm skilled, stealthy and well prepared to deal with yours from Ninjak's multiple tracking/scanning/sensors. Lin Beifong provides a general cover with earthbending and Alexander Anderson is too fast for Batwing, who had major troubles with far less skilled characters. Your team can't properly locate and react to my team assault, and being outnumbered from the start with multiple enemies striking at once with attacks that can deliver a major incapacitation in one hit shall be more than enough to assure the victory for the Ninja Strike Team!
This is unnecessary.
Also I would always use spoiler blocks for all scans and gifs even the single panel ones and the ones you put into small scale blocks.
Wordsmithing:
Darkraiden: B-
Higorm: B+
I will say Higorm clearly out debated Darkraiden from a wordsmithing standpoint. I was going to give Higorm a solid A, but his tone and snide remarks about Static made me take off some points. I understand his frustration at debating Static repeatedly, but you can't bring that attitude into a new debate thread. Anything Darkraiden has done in past threads frankly doesn't matter and cannot be held against him in a new thread.
Counters:
Higorm: B-
Darkraiden: B+
There were both some good things and bad things when it came to counters. Trying to use metal bending vs EM felt silly though and really fell flat. Not that Darkraiden's counters were all that great in this debate, but he had some hax stuff with Static that Higorm just didn't have a real counter for. Like for instance I don't think Higorm had a real counter for Static disarming his team of their metal weapons nor did he have a counter for Static putting them to sleep.
Overall Winner:
Higorm: B+
Darkraiden: B
This was a tough one, a real tough one. I will say in a neutral thread, normal Static would probably solo stomp. BUT, that's not what these battle threads are supposed to be about. I will give Higorm the win, by the thinnest of margins. The reason being is he simply out wordsmithed his opponents and had the more solid arguments. I will say if Darkraiden had fixed certain things with his wordsmithing and overall points he was trying to make, he could have pulled this one out by having the superior team.
@precrisisbardock: Fair enough, it's just that most of the people tend to vote for the one who presented the best debate, regardless of other technicalities. The fact that you said it was an uphill battle for me only credits even more a vote for me. But I understand and respect your vote, just making clear for future reference.
@lukehero: This Is probably one of the best vote breakdown I've ever had the pleasure to read. Thanks for the vote and feedback, I really tried to improve my game from the last debate
@higorm: Welcome, you're improvement shows. I don't know what other characters were available in this tourney or who your other opponents were, but I would be careful about putting too many Knife/Sword wielding CQC type characters all on the same team. Also I think you could have taken advantage of the fact that your valiant character gets composite feats.
@lukehero: You know me, I always tend to go out of my comfort zone. Currently I'm trying to expand my knowledge to anime/manga characters. Now that I see the whole picture, I should have taken at least one different character, but at the time it looked like a good idea :P
@higorm: I'm voting for you. Your team was the underdog but you backed up why they would stand a chance with your strategy. DR's strategy depended on a lot of high end feats.
@lukehero: Oh yeah. My confusion was just that you said I won strategy and counters and that I had things he never countered but then I lost. I just wouldn't guess that wordsmithing and formatting would override that.
Also for future reference, I actually use links so that comicvine servers don't constantly have to upload and store the same pictures every 3 seconds cause I debate a lot. This way, I can use the same scans without making multiple copies. It also IMO helps to let people read it and only look at the links if they need to or feel like they doubt the feat instead of having a huge picture in their face.
Oh yeah. My confusion was just that you said I won strategy and counters and that I had things he never countered but then I lost. I just wouldn't guess that wordsmithing and formatting would override that.
Understandable. I think this time around even though you made it clear that you had the better team and I think you showed that with Static's very impressive array of powers. I just think Higorm basically out talked you. If that makes any sense. I mean this was a really, really tough vote. Do strategy and counters override formatting, of course. Formatting would be the weakest of the categories. But, with that said one of the strongest when it comes to debating is the scans(your proof) and wordsmithing(you connecting the proof, evidence, and common knowledge facts all together). In the end I feel like he did a better job of doing that to such a degree I gave him the win.
Keep in mind voting is highly subjective though.
Also for future reference, I actually use links so that comicvine servers don't constantly have to upload and store the same pictures every 3 seconds cause I debate a lot. This way, I can use the same scans without making multiple copies. It also IMO helps to let people read it and only look at the links if they need to or feel like they doubt the feat instead of having a huge picture in their face.
Understandable. I honestly don't have any huge problem with it. If were to nitpickthough I would say it kind of takes away from the presentation and it makes the voter do a bit more work having to slide over the link and go to it. Maybe you should hyperlink the scans with words?
I'll vote for @higorm. I thought that the initial argument that raiden had was better, but I thought m's formatting made his counters clearer and gave him the edge, but it was a good debate.
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