"Punisher doesn't have much equipment anymore.Winter Soldier is a crazy hand to hand fighter and excellent marksman.That metal arm makes his punches hurt more too."
This fight probably won't get to close combat and if it does punisher is a master when it comes to the knife.
"Punisher doesn't have much equipment anymore.Winter Soldier is a crazy hand to hand fighter and excellent marksman.That metal arm makes his punches hurt more too."
This fight probably won't get to close combat and if it does punisher is a master when it comes to the knife. "
Bucky is going up against Iron Man the same as Cap and he's not even a super soldier.I haven't seen the comic where they face of yet but i'm sure he holds his own.Either way Bucky wins.His metal arm took down a spider machine."
And a knife to the face and he is dead. Like I said he is going to get close enough to use his arm and if he does Punisher has his knife.
"Punisher doesn't have much equipment anymore.Winter Soldier is a crazy hand to hand fighter and excellent marksman.That metal arm makes his punches hurt more too."
This fight probably won't get to close combat and if it does punisher is a master when it comes to the knife. "
Bucky is going up against Iron Man the same as Cap and he's not even a super soldier.I haven't seen the comic where they face of yet but i'm sure he holds his own.Either way Bucky wins.His metal arm took down a spider machine."
And a knife to the face and he is dead. Like I said he is going to get close enough to use his arm and if he does Punisher has his knife. "
Punisher is not that good of a marksman and he is also just as skilled with weapons.Bucky was trained by CAP and Winter Soldier..now that CAP is dead doesn't hold back even if he kills.Punisher can just stab him in the face...he's not that good.Winter Soldier hits him once with the right arm and he's done."
What do you mean Punisher isn't that good? Punisher is one of the best their is. Why do you think the Secert Avengers need his help during the Civil War. He has an amazing shot, and as I said if Winter Soldier gets close enough to use his arm he is close enough for Punisher to use his knife which is his favorite weapon and the one he is the most skill at. He would be dumb to get to close.
Though Punisher is quiet the skilled combatant and arms master, Bucky isnt too far behind in either, not to mention his metal arm, and his gadget use from Nick Fury. Bucky was also trained with Cap and I'm sure Fury helped a bit after as well. It would be very close, but because of Bucky being 'younger' than Frank, I'd say Bucky would probably be the one with the least ammount of broken bones and bullets in him.
"Punisher doesn't have much equipment anymore.Winter Soldier is a crazy hand to hand fighter and excellent marksman.That metal arm makes his punches hurt more too."
This fight probably won't get to close combat and if it does punisher is a master when it comes to the knife. "
Bucky is going up against Iron Man the same as Cap and he's not even a super soldier.I haven't seen the comic where they face of yet but i'm sure he holds his own.Either way Bucky wins.His metal arm took down a spider machine."
And a knife to the face and he is dead. Like I said he is going to get close enough to use his arm and if he does Punisher has his knife. "
Punisher is not that good of a marksman and he is also just as skilled with weapons.Bucky was trained by CAP and Winter Soldier..now that CAP is dead doesn't hold back even if he kills.Punisher can just stab him in the face...he's not that good.Winter Soldier hits him once with the right arm and he's done."
What do you mean Punisher isn't that good? Punisher is one of the best their is. Why do you think the Secert Avengers need his help during the Civil War. He has an amazing shot, and as I said if Winter Soldier gets close enough to use his arm he is close enough for Punisher to use his knife which is his favorite weapon and the one he is the most skill at. He would be dumb to get to close. "
Bucky and the Punisher already fought and Punisher didn't go that far.In fact he gave up.Mostly out of respect for Cap but Bucky was beating him anyway."
"Punisher doesn't have much equipment anymore.Winter Soldier is a crazy hand to hand fighter and excellent marksman.That metal arm makes his punches hurt more too."
This fight probably won't get to close combat and if it does punisher is a master when it comes to the knife. "
Bucky is going up against Iron Man the same as Cap and he's not even a super soldier.I haven't seen the comic where they face of yet but i'm sure he holds his own.Either way Bucky wins.His metal arm took down a spider machine."
And a knife to the face and he is dead. Like I said he is going to get close enough to use his arm and if he does Punisher has his knife. "
Punisher is not that good of a marksman and he is also just as skilled with weapons.Bucky was trained by CAP and Winter Soldier..now that CAP is dead doesn't hold back even if he kills.Punisher can just stab him in the face...he's not that good.Winter Soldier hits him once with the right arm and he's done."
What do you mean Punisher isn't that good? Punisher is one of the best their is. Why do you think the Secert Avengers need his help during the Civil War. He has an amazing shot, and as I said if Winter Soldier gets close enough to use his arm he is close enough for Punisher to use his knife which is his favorite weapon and the one he is the most skill at. He would be dumb to get to close. "
Bucky and the Punisher already fought and Punisher didn't go that far.In fact he gave up.Mostly out of respect for Cap but Bucky was beating him anyway."
I can't say that isn't true or not. I have't seen it though.
"Who cares what you say.Nobody likes you,Nobody values you opinion, and your wasting you breath.If your going to talk about the topic go ahead but stop talking to me."
lol Nobody do you like Legendary Bio Vishanti says?
"Who cares what you say.Nobody likes you,Nobody values you opinion, and your wasting you breath.If your going to talk about the topic go ahead but stop talking to me."
lol Nobody do you like Legendary Bio Vishanti says?"
lol ace! I was almost certain he was going to catch it first!"
aw I've been waiting to use that one for a very long time now. lol
"Punisher doesn't have much equipment anymore.Winter Soldier is a crazy hand to hand fighter and excellent marksman.That metal arm makes his punches hurt more too."
This fight probably won't get to close combat and if it does punisher is a master when it comes to the knife. "
Bucky is going up against Iron Man the same as Cap and he's not even a super soldier.I haven't seen the comic where they face of yet but i'm sure he holds his own.Either way Bucky wins.His metal arm took down a spider machine."
And a knife to the face and he is dead. Like I said he is going to get close enough to use his arm and if he does Punisher has his knife. "
Punisher is not that good of a marksman and he is also just as skilled with weapons.Bucky was trained by CAP and Winter Soldier..now that CAP is dead doesn't hold back even if he kills.Punisher can just stab him in the face...he's not that good.Winter Soldier hits him once with the right arm and he's done."
What do you mean Punisher isn't that good? Punisher is one of the best their is. Why do you think the Secert Avengers need his help during the Civil War. He has an amazing shot, and as I said if Winter Soldier gets close enough to use his arm he is close enough for Punisher to use his knife which is his favorite weapon and the one he is the most skill at. He would be dumb to get to close. "
Bucky and the Punisher already fought and Punisher didn't go that far.In fact he gave up.Mostly out of respect for Cap but Bucky was beating him anyway."
***I SAID*** go run into a sword."
Who cares what you say.Nobody likes you,Nobody values you opinion, and your wasting you breath.If your going to talk about the topic go ahead but stop talking to me."
if no one cares what i say, then why are u responding to me? and i am not waisting my breath, if i were. u would not have responded to me.
"Who cares what you say.Nobody likes you,Nobody values you opinion, and your wasting you breath.If your going to talk about the topic go ahead but stop talking to me."
lol Nobody do you like Legendary Bio Vishanti says?"
lol ace! I was almost certain he was going to catch it first!"
aw I've been waiting to use that one for a very long time now. lol "
I usually do say something but I decided to stay out of the fued. I really like in the thread when someone said, "Nobody is faster than the Flash. Who can beat him?"
Kinpin fought punisher hand to hand (punisher even had his knife) and punisher got OWNED!! Winter Soldier is almost on Cap and BP's level of speed, agility, endurance etc. plus he has his superhuman harm (even without that arm he would be stronger than Punisher). If this is a hand to hand fight (even if punisher has a knife) Punisher doesn't stand a chance. Winter Soldier with his superior reflexes/hand eye coordination and intense training would be a better marksman than Punisher too. Punisher is cool, I have always liked him, but he is just outmatched by Winter Soldier.
Punisher, has military training as well and has much more experience, and has gone toe to toe with many adversaries of the marvel U both good and bad, giving him a better range of experience as well.
"Punisher, has military training as well and has much more experience, and has gone toe to toe with many adversaries of the marvel U both good and bad, giving him a better range of experience as well."
And Winter Soldier hasn't? He fought in WW2, he's a highly trained assassin. I agree Punisher would probably win, but everyone's just glossing over Winter Soldier.
"Punisher, has military training as well and has much more experience, and has gone toe to toe with many adversaries of the marvel U both good and bad, giving him a better range of experience as well."
And Winter Soldier hasn't? He fought in WW2, he's a highly trained assassin. I agree Punisher would probably win, but everyone's just glossing over Winter Soldier."
He did fight in WW2, but he fought nazi's and henchman, Where as look at who punisher has fought over the last 30 years. And yes he is a highly trained assassin, Due to all the post on the first page I didn't think I needed to restate these things, but nonetheless, Punisher still has much more experience, not the WS doesn't have any or wouldn't put up quite the fight, but he hasn't done nearly as much in the Marvel U.
"Punisher, has military training as well and has much more experience, and has gone toe to toe with many adversaries of the marvel U both good and bad, giving him a better range of experience as well."
And Winter Soldier hasn't? He fought in WW2, he's a highly trained assassin. I agree Punisher would probably win, but everyone's just glossing over Winter Soldier."
He did fight in WW2, but he fought nazi's and henchman, Where as look at who punisher has fought over the last 30 years. And yes he is a highly trained assassin, Due to all the post on the first page I didn't think I needed to restate these things, but nonetheless, Punisher still has much more experience, not the WS doesn't have any or wouldn't put up quite the fight, but he hasn't done nearly as much in the Marvel U."
You do know he's fought more then just Nazi's an Henchmen right? And yes, his skillz were mentioned on the first page, but yet you keep bringing up experience as if Bucky's new to the game. Punisher isn't aided by Nick Fury (also mentioned on the first page) so how is experience in favor of the Punisher again?
"Punisher, has military training as well and has much more experience, and has gone toe to toe with many adversaries of the marvel U both good and bad, giving him a better range of experience as well."
And Winter Soldier hasn't? He fought in WW2, he's a highly trained assassin. I agree Punisher would probably win, but everyone's just glossing over Winter Soldier."
He did fight in WW2, but he fought nazi's and henchman, Where as look at who punisher has fought over the last 30 years. And yes he is a highly trained assassin, Due to all the post on the first page I didn't think I needed to restate these things, but nonetheless, Punisher still has much more experience, not the WS doesn't have any or wouldn't put up quite the fight, but he hasn't done nearly as much in the Marvel U."
You do know he's fought more then just Nazi's an Henchmen right? And yes, his skillz were mentioned on the first page, but yet you keep bringing up experience as if Bucky's new to the game. Punisher isn't aided by Nick Fury (also mentioned on the first page) so how is experience in favor of the Punisher again?"
Yes I know he's fought more than that, esp. lately due to his resurgence in comics, but since the 70's who has done more in comics punisher or winter soldier, I know WS has done behind the scenes stuff for the russians since WW2, but behind the scenes killing won't win you a batlle with the punisher, sorry but it won't. Now I am a WS fan, and think this fight would last a few hours, I just don't think he would win. Post Edited:2007-10-19 10:48:05
"Punisher, has military training as well and has much more experience, and has gone toe to toe with many adversaries of the marvel U both good and bad, giving him a better range of experience as well."
And Winter Soldier hasn't? He fought in WW2, he's a highly trained assassin. I agree Punisher would probably win, but everyone's just glossing over Winter Soldier."
He did fight in WW2, but he fought nazi's and henchman, Where as look at who punisher has fought over the last 30 years. And yes he is a highly trained assassin, Due to all the post on the first page I didn't think I needed to restate these things, but nonetheless, Punisher still has much more experience, not the WS doesn't have any or wouldn't put up quite the fight, but he hasn't done nearly as much in the Marvel U."
You do know he's fought more then just Nazi's an Henchmen right? And yes, his skillz were mentioned on the first page, but yet you keep bringing up experience as if Bucky's new to the game. Punisher isn't aided by Nick Fury (also mentioned on the first page) so how is experience in favor of the Punisher again?"
Yes I know he's fought more than that, esp. lately due to his resurgence in comics, but since the 70's who has done more in comics punisher or winter soldier, I know WS has done behind the scenes stuff for the russians since WW2, but behind the scenes killing won't win you a batlle with the punisher, sorry but it won't. Now I am a WS fan, and think this fight would last a few hours, I just don't think he would win. Post Edited:2007-10-19 10:48:05"
So because WS did his dirt behind the scenes, means he loses? Not that Punisher is better, not that Punisher has more skill, but because WS was behind the scenes kickin ass he loses. Hmmm, interesting.
"Punisher, has military training as well and has much more experience, and has gone toe to toe with many adversaries of the marvel U both good and bad, giving him a better range of experience as well."
And Winter Soldier hasn't? He fought in WW2, he's a highly trained assassin. I agree Punisher would probably win, but everyone's just glossing over Winter Soldier."
He did fight in WW2, but he fought nazi's and henchman, Where as look at who punisher has fought over the last 30 years. And yes he is a highly trained assassin, Due to all the post on the first page I didn't think I needed to restate these things, but nonetheless, Punisher still has much more experience, not the WS doesn't have any or wouldn't put up quite the fight, but he hasn't done nearly as much in the Marvel U."
You do know he's fought more then just Nazi's an Henchmen right? And yes, his skillz were mentioned on the first page, but yet you keep bringing up experience as if Bucky's new to the game. Punisher isn't aided by Nick Fury (also mentioned on the first page) so how is experience in favor of the Punisher again?"
Yes I know he's fought more than that, esp. lately due to his resurgence in comics, but since the 70's who has done more in comics punisher or winter soldier, I know WS has done behind the scenes stuff for the russians since WW2, but behind the scenes killing won't win you a batlle with the punisher, sorry but it won't. Now I am a WS fan, and think this fight would last a few hours, I just don't think he would win. Post Edited:2007-10-19 10:48:05"
So because WS did his dirt behind the scenes, means he loses? Not that Punisher is better, not that Punisher has more skill, but because WS was behind the scenes kickin ass he loses. Hmmm, interesting."
is that what I said, no, way to twist things
If you read all my statements as one, it would say both all the things Punisher has done, and the fact that a sniper rifle doesn't win you a fight, being a great assasin isn't the same as being a great warrior.
"Punisher, has military training as well and has much more experience, and has gone toe to toe with many adversaries of the marvel U both good and bad, giving him a better range of experience as well."
And Winter Soldier hasn't? He fought in WW2, he's a highly trained assassin. I agree Punisher would probably win, but everyone's just glossing over Winter Soldier."
He did fight in WW2, but he fought nazi's and henchman, Where as look at who punisher has fought over the last 30 years. And yes he is a highly trained assassin, Due to all the post on the first page I didn't think I needed to restate these things, but nonetheless, Punisher still has much more experience, not the WS doesn't have any or wouldn't put up quite the fight, but he hasn't done nearly as much in the Marvel U."
You do know he's fought more then just Nazi's an Henchmen right? And yes, his skillz were mentioned on the first page, but yet you keep bringing up experience as if Bucky's new to the game. Punisher isn't aided by Nick Fury (also mentioned on the first page) so how is experience in favor of the Punisher again?"
Yes I know he's fought more than that, esp. lately due to his resurgence in comics, but since the 70's who has done more in comics punisher or winter soldier, I know WS has done behind the scenes stuff for the russians since WW2, but behind the scenes killing won't win you a batlle with the punisher, sorry but it won't. Now I am a WS fan, and think this fight would last a few hours, I just don't think he would win. Post Edited:2007-10-19 10:48:05"
So because WS did his dirt behind the scenes, means he loses? Not that Punisher is better, not that Punisher has more skill, but because WS was behind the scenes kickin ass he loses. Hmmm, interesting."
is that what I said, no, way to twist things
If you read all my statements as one, it would say both all the things Punisher has done, and the fact that a sniper rifle doesn't win you a fight, being a great assasin isn't the same as being a great warrior.
im done"
I thought you said you were a fan of WS? If so why do you think he only has skill with a sniper rifle? He's a top notch hand to hand fighter (not to mention the whole metal arm thing) I'm looking at all your posts and they add up to jack. I started out thinking Punisher would win, but after seeing your reasons as to why, I'm not so sure. You never addressed the Nick Fury factor (which is a HUGE advantage) and you wanna throw out WS exploits simply because they took place behind the scenes. Yes, you are done, you were done along time ago.
Kingpin kicked the punisher's A$$, he isn't that great!!! Yeah he is way above average and can take out a dozen normal men, but Winter Soldier is far superior in every facet of fighting!
Kingpin kicked Cap's ass too. Kingpin kicks everyone's ass. Bad measuring stick. Oh and Punisher wins. For the same reasons that people say Thing beats Colossus -- they're almost the same. Punisher is just BETTER. He has what it takes to win because he MUST win. And besides beating Crossbones, what are Bucky's memorable feats? Also, saying "Bucky" reminds me -- Punisher has a way cooler name. "Frank Castle" just SCREAMS badass.
Kingpin kicked Cap's ass too. Kingpin kicks everyone's ass. Bad measuring stick. Oh and Punisher wins. For the same reasons that people say Thing beats Colossus -- they're almost the same. Punisher is just BETTER. He has what it takes to win because he MUST win. And besides beating Crossbones, what are Bucky's memorable feats? Also, saying "Bucky" reminds me -- Punisher has a way cooler name. "Frank Castle" just SCREAMS badass.
His name is James Buchanan and having the better name hardly counts.Bucky has also taken it to Wolverine and an alt version of Steve.
In close range Bucky wins every single time due to better skill,physical ability and his mechanical arm,in long range Punisher can win due to his superior aim but not every single time,maybe a slight majority so Bucky wins overall.
Bucky wins this easily. His training is better, his experience is better, his Bionic arm makes him too deadly for punisher to take on in close combat, and with guns, The winter soldier has him outclassed. The Winter Soldier has toppled governments and entire squads of KGB agents by himself. I'd say thats a pretty big feat.
Bucky wins this easily. His training is better, his experience is better, his Bionic arm makes him too deadly for punisher to take on in close combat, and with guns, The winter soldier has him outclassed. The Winter Soldier has toppled governments and entire squads of KGB agents by himself. I'd say thats a pretty big feat.
These two characters are actually really similar; both have military background, both are good marksman/masters of/with weaponry and both can fight well H2H, but to be honest, watching the winter soldier be on par with Cap in H2H combat gives him the edge, Cap is the best H2H fighter in the MCU. Plus, Bucky's metal arm gives him a strength advantage, and don't forget that the Punisher only possess advanced human strength but Bucky has been tampered and altered with by science which gives him superhuman strength, that being said, I believe that the Punisher is better with weaponry so it would be difficult for Bucky but if it came to H2H then Ounisher is finished...
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