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#1 Posted by Detective (524 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank Castle Vs Marc Spector in a 5 Round (5 Minutes each) MMA fight in the octagon.

standard UFC rules

#2 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio

i say moon knight in 3 rounds

#3 Posted by claws (5060 posts) - - Show Bio

moonknight ftw

#4 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher he has better martial arts training than mark does

#5 Posted by Detective (524 posts) - - Show Bio

for all you saying MK in 3rd round...by way of KO or Submissiom? ...and ima go with Frank by 4th round KO

#6 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

Wich leaves me at

Frank Castle by way of KTFO

#7 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio
geraldthesloth said:
"Punisher he has better martial arts training than mark does"

like what?
#8 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio

you know i think this goes on till unanomous decision(dont know how to spell it) but if i had to say how, i would say knockout

Moon Knight wins

#9 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Posted by k4tzm4n (49886 posts) - - Show Bio

This would be an epic fight that really could go either way...I'd give the small edge to MK though.

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#11 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio

What was that suposed to show? Willpower? Moon Knight has plenty of that

#12 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
dreadmaster said:
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What was that suposed to show? Willpower? Moon Knight has plenty of that

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He's tangled with better fighters and beat them

Like daredevil,Bucky, and more
#13 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio
geraldthesloth said:
"dreadmaster said:
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What was that suposed to show? Willpower? Moon Knight has plenty of that

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He's tangled with better fighters and beat themLike daredevil,Bucky, and more"

do you have scans? becuase i do not think that Frank can beat Daredevil or Bucky
#14 Posted by Detective (524 posts) - - Show Bio

^^ Frank has beaten DD before

#15 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio

Moon Knight is an Ex-Prizefighter so he is an excellent boxer witch is a good advantage in UFC and he's versatile in ALL martial arts especially Hopkido and Savate

#16 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio
Detective said:
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^^ Frank has beaten DD before

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hmm... can you tell me what issue? please
#17 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
dreadmaster said:
"geraldthesloth said:
"dreadmaster said:
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What was that suposed to show? Willpower? Moon Knight has plenty of that

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He's tangled with better fighters and beat themLike daredevil,Bucky, and more"
do you have scans? becuase i do not think that Frank can beat Daredevil or Bucky"
Ill get them later on

but it looks like this one already happened


#18 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio

I new this one had happened but i didn't see it finish, didn't know that happened. lol

#19 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
dreadmaster said:
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I new this one had happened but i didn't see it finish, didn't know that happened. lol

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Is that classic moon knight?
#20 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio
geraldthesloth said:
"dreadmaster said:
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I new this one had happened but i didn't see it finish, didn't know that happened. lol

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Is that classic moon knight?"
yes, without powers i believe
#21 Posted by Lunacyde (19453 posts) - - Show Bio

If I was going based on both thier profiles I would say MK would win, especially if it's Classic MK.

However if we go by showings in comics I have to give the edge to Frank, he has more wins against impressive opponents.

#22 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio
Lunacyde said:
"If I was going based on both thier profiles I would say MK would win, especially if it's Classic MK. However if we go by showings in comics I have to give the edge to Frank, he has more wins against impressive opponents."
yeah, Moon Knight hardly fights anybody worth mentioning, but he has come out on top of some of the more notables
#23 Posted by Lunacyde (19453 posts) - - Show Bio

I am a big MK fan, but the truth is I don't think Marvel really cares about him so they don't give him as much emphasis and don't have him fight that many notable people one on one.
His villains in general suck lol.

#24 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio
Lunacyde said:
"I am a big MK fan, but the truth is I don't think Marvel really cares about him so they don't give him as much emphasis and don't have him fight that many notable people one on one.His villains in general suck lol."
Yeah they never put time in for him, but the villians he's had lately are pretty notable like Taskmaster, was able to get on Stark's nerves, fighting the Thunderbolts,one-on-one with Bullseye, and facing the Zapatas who are really funny, and about to face Toltec and The Punisher
#25 Posted by Lunacyde (19453 posts) - - Show Bio

Yup...hopefully the story just get better

#26 Posted by Larfleeze (726 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher ftw.

#27 Posted by batpool (414 posts) - - Show Bio

Mark Specter. Come on. Frank Castle was trained by the U.S. govt. And Specter was previously a lawless merc that killed for money and has been into some knock down drag outs. He has the XP.

#28 Edited by Larfleeze (726 posts) - - Show Bio
batpool said:
"Mark Specter. Come on. Frank Castle was trained by the U.S. govt. And Specter was previously a lawless merc that killed for money and has been into some knock down drag outs. He has the XP."
Frank Castle is also a master of many Martial Arts. Mark Specter was in the CIA and does some boxing...wow...
#29 Posted by k4tzm4n (49886 posts) - - Show Bio

"Over the course of his life as a U.S. Marine, boxer, mercenary, C.I.A. operative and costumed superhero, Marc Spector has become an expert at commando hand-to-hand combat techniques and various martial arts."

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#30 Posted by Larfleeze (726 posts) - - Show Bio
k4tzm4n said:
""Over the course of his life as a U.S. Marine, boxer, mercenary, C.I.A. operative and costumed superhero, Marc Spector has become an expert at commando hand-to-hand combat techniques and various martial arts.""

Yet he pisses his pants when bullseye wants to fight hand-to-hand? I don't buy it. Frank has gone up against daredevil and daredevil is far superior to MK in fighting abilities.
#31 Posted by k4tzm4n (49886 posts) - - Show Bio

In all fairness, that was one showing.  Moon Knight has taken on Werewolf by Night (and won) twice...As well as beating Bushmaster (or whatever his name is..*sigh*...so lame) while his legs were broken.  Also, like I've stated before, that was the best method.  He needed to fake his death so the entire government would stop chasing him and save *in a sense* his friends....Besides, he's kicking ass in Mexico right now.

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#32 Edited by Larfleeze (726 posts) - - Show Bio
k4tzm4n said:
"In all fairness, that was one showing.  Moon Knight has taken on Werewolf by Night (and won) twice...As well as beating Bushmaster (or whatever his name is..*sigh*...so lame) while his legs were broken.  Also, like I've stated before, that was the best method.  He needed to fake his death so the entire government would stop chasing him and save *in a sense* his friends....Besides, he's kicking ass in Mexico right now."

So he beat two random werewolves that no one cares about and an overweight black man (Bushman btw) that has faught no one but MK? Oh but wait he had razor sharp teeth...

Did he ever fight...like you know a real villain or perhaps another hero?
#33 Posted by k4tzm4n (49886 posts) - - Show Bio

He dominated Swordsman...Does that count for anything? lol

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#34 Posted by warlock360 (28064 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher has a reason, and if he should be stopped he would have failed his pledge.

Moonknight wouldn't see any gain in this fight except for simple survival.

Punisher wins due to determination.

#35 Posted by Erik (33329 posts) - - Show Bio
Detective said:
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^^ Frank has beaten DD before

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Frank has also absolutely been trashed by Daredevil before.
#36 Posted by Larfleeze (726 posts) - - Show Bio
k4tzm4n said:
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He dominated Swordsman...Does that count for anything? lol

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No seeing norman did too, in less time and killed him.
#37 Posted by k4tzm4n (49886 posts) - - Show Bio

You mean when they were talking and he impaled him?  Right...Cause that was a "fight".  The battle between Green Goblin and Swordsman though is entirely different...For some reason beyond me, he was scared out of his mind against GG  (yet he took on Venom....*sigh*)...Also, GG VS Swordsman is entirely different since it's a guy who is known for close range combat vs an arial character using projectiles.  Point being, I'd like to see Frank in h2h vs Swordsman.  Moon Knight did exceptionally well against him.

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#38 Posted by Larfleeze (726 posts) - - Show Bio
k4tzm4n said:
"You mean when they were talking and he impaled him?  Right...Cause that was a "fight".  The battle between Green Goblin and Swordsman though is entirely different...For some reason beyond me, he was scared out of his mind against GG  (yet he took on Venom....*sigh*)...Also, GG VS Swordsman is entirely different since it's a guy who is known for close range combat vs an arial character using projectiles.  Point being, I'd like to see Frank in h2h vs Swordsman.  Moon Knight did exceptionally well against him."
lol GG freaking crucified swordsman, so how is MK beating him impressive? Oh i see...long range excuse excuse. As for the other encounter...too bad swordsman wasn't fast enough to move before Norman opened a box, pulled out the sword and impaled him...hell how was that not enough time to move?

Swordsman also got owned by union jack close range...so I want to hear your next excuse.

Frank has gone up against daredevil who completely outclasses MK in hand-to-hand. So sorry killing random things like werewolf and fat bushman do not make him a great fighter.
#39 Edited by k4tzm4n (49886 posts) - - Show Bio

Did you see what Union Jack did to the rest of the team?  And how is Green Goblin owning Swordsman in anyway similiar to Moon Knight owning him?  They're both entirely different characters with entirely different skill sets.  Green Goblin OUTCLASSES Swordsman  where-as Moon Knight is at the same level, and look how that went.  I'm not going to disagree that Daredevil outclasses Moon Knight in hand to hand, that's a given.  Murdock outclasses Frank in that department too.  Daredevil has better technique, agility and speed.  That's where his advantages lie against Frank, however Frank can counter-act it with his tollerance of pain and strength (which is exactly what Moon Knight has demonstrated as well).  We've both agreed Moon Knight has never really been given a chance to go up against more characters because he has a very small fanbase (woot).   And it's not an "excuse" i'm giving, I'm address your points with my honest thoughts. 

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#40 Posted by Larfleeze (726 posts) - - Show Bio
k4tzm4n said:
"Did you see what Union Jack did to the rest of the team?  And how is Green Goblin owning Swordsman in anyway similiar to Moon Knight owning him?  They're both entirely different characters with entirely different skill sets.  Green Goblin OUTCLASSES Swordsman  where-as Moon Knight is at the same level, and look how that went.  I'm not going to disagree that Daredevil outclasses Moon Knight in hand to hand, that's a given.  Murdock outclasses Frank in that department too.  Daredevil has better technique, agility and speed.  That's where his advantages lie against Frank, however Frank can counter-act it with his tollerance of pain and strength (which is exactly what Moon Knight has demonstrated as well).  We've both agreed Moon Knight has never really been given a chance to go up against more characters because he has a very small fanbase (woot).   And it's not an "excuse" i'm giving, I'm address your points with my honest thoughts.  "

I saw bullseye own union jack if thats what your reffering too.

Ok speaking of which...Frank has gone up against bullseye many times also and never ran from him once. I am sorry, but I can't see how MK is going to take frank down in hand-to-hand. There is no evidence to support this, but granted I agree that his smaller fanbase doesn't let him have as many chances to go up against more characters. So i'll give you that.
#41 Posted by k4tzm4n (49886 posts) - - Show Bio
Larfleeze said:
"k4tzm4n said:
"Did you see what Union Jack did to the rest of the team?  And how is Green Goblin owning Swordsman in anyway similiar to Moon Knight owning him?  They're both entirely different characters with entirely different skill sets.  Green Goblin OUTCLASSES Swordsman  where-as Moon Knight is at the same level, and look how that went.  I'm not going to disagree that Daredevil outclasses Moon Knight in hand to hand, that's a given.  Murdock outclasses Frank in that department too.  Daredevil has better technique, agility and speed.  That's where his advantages lie against Frank, however Frank can counter-act it with his tollerance of pain and strength (which is exactly what Moon Knight has demonstrated as well).  We've both agreed Moon Knight has never really been given a chance to go up against more characters because he has a very small fanbase (woot).   And it's not an "excuse" i'm giving, I'm address your points with my honest thoughts.  "
I saw bullseye own union jack if thats what your reffering too.Ok speaking of which...Frank has gone up against bullseye many times also and never ran from him once. I am sorry, but I can't see how MK is going to take frank down in hand-to-hand. There is no evidence to support this, but granted I agree that his smaller fanbase doesn't let him have as many chances to go up against more characters. So i'll give you that."

I'm glad we have reached an agreement on one point, lol.

-Anyway, saying "Bullseye owned Union Jack" is taking it out of context.  Jack enttered a room thinking he was safe to rest for a second and he got a knife in the spine...I wouldn't really call that a fair encounter. 
-Frank has also been OWNED by Bullseye.
-To be accurate, Moon Knight technically lured Bullseye to his base in order to fake his own death.
-Go a page back, there's a scan of Moon Knight and Punisher going blow for blow (I'd say that's evidence, is it not?)
-I'm only giving Moon Knight a VERY slim majority.  I think both are equal on many terms...If Frank was in his prime, he'd be the one taking the majority.
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#42 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio
Larfleeze said:
"k4tzm4n said:
"You mean when they were talking and he impaled him?  Right...Cause that was a "fight".  The battle between Green Goblin and Swordsman though is entirely different...For some reason beyond me, he was scared out of his mind against GG  (yet he took on Venom....*sigh*)...Also, GG VS Swordsman is entirely different since it's a guy who is known for close range combat vs an arial character using projectiles.  Point being, I'd like to see Frank in h2h vs Swordsman.  Moon Knight did exceptionally well against him."
lol GG freaking crucified swordsman, so how is MK beating him impressive? Oh i see...long range excuse excuse. As for the other encounter...too bad swordsman wasn't fast enough to move before Norman opened a box, pulled out the sword and impaled him...hell how was that not enough time to move?Swordsman also got owned by union jack close range...so I want to hear your next excuse.Frank has gone up against daredevil who completely outclasses MK in hand-to-hand. So sorry killing random things like werewolf and fat bushman do not make him a great fighter."
you know Daredevil hasnt really outclassed them, last time Daredeil and Moon knight fought it ended in a stalemate. that scan from before when Moon Knight fought The Punisher wasn't their only encounter, in another one Frank was going beserk or something like that and Moon Knight had to punch the daylights out of him and Moon Knight has even made Nick Fury run away.
#43 Posted by k4tzm4n (49886 posts) - - Show Bio

Dread, do you have scans of any of that? I'd love to see it.

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#44 Posted by Larfleeze (726 posts) - - Show Bio
dreadmaster said:
"Larfleeze said:
"k4tzm4n said:
"You mean when they were talking and he impaled him?  Right...Cause that was a "fight".  The battle between Green Goblin and Swordsman though is entirely different...For some reason beyond me, he was scared out of his mind against GG  (yet he took on Venom....*sigh*)...Also, GG VS Swordsman is entirely different since it's a guy who is known for close range combat vs an arial character using projectiles.  Point being, I'd like to see Frank in h2h vs Swordsman.  Moon Knight did exceptionally well against him."
lol GG freaking crucified swordsman, so how is MK beating him impressive? Oh i see...long range excuse excuse. As for the other encounter...too bad swordsman wasn't fast enough to move before Norman opened a box, pulled out the sword and impaled him...hell how was that not enough time to move?Swordsman also got owned by union jack close range...so I want to hear your next excuse.Frank has gone up against daredevil who completely outclasses MK in hand-to-hand. So sorry killing random things like werewolf and fat bushman do not make him a great fighter."
you know Daredevil hasnt really outclassed them, last time Daredeil and Moon knight fought it ended in a stalemate. that scan from before when Moon Knight fought The Punisher wasn't their only encounter, in another one Frank was going beserk or something like that and Moon Knight had to punch the daylights out of him and Moon Knight has even made Nick Fury run away."
Thats poor writing honestly and how old was the comic? Did he still have moon powers?
Daredevil is superior in speed, agility and fighting ability. Strength also...MK's max is 450 lbs, daredevil faught with a barbell that weighed that much as a fighting staff.

This isn't DD vs. MK though so w/e. I still think frank can take MK in a hand-to-hand fight.
#45 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio
k4tzm4n said:
"Dread, do you have scans of any of that? I'd love to see it."

i don't have those but i've seen them with my own two eyes, i'll go searching for a little while but i think (and im not sure) that they are in a Moon Knight respect thread in KMC forums, but the one where Moon Knight punched Frank out, i dont really know where i saw it but it was in an issue of Marc Spector:Moon Knight but the DD encounter was in Issue 12of Moon Knight's first run
#46 Posted by k4tzm4n (49886 posts) - - Show Bio

Dread, no worries, I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'd just love to see it.  "KMC" forums?

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#47 Posted by k4tzm4n (49886 posts) - - Show Bio

Just found the other forum, thank you.

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#48 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio
you know what he disarmed him not knocked him out but still the same.




#49 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio

um.... read from right to left ^^^

#50 Posted by Larfleeze (726 posts) - - Show Bio

Looks like that was written about the same time superman was moving planets by himself. Thanks for the scans though.