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#1 Posted by Army2442 (1745 posts) - - Show Bio

random encounter

no prep

Location: a subway 200 feet away

Iron Fist has his standard gear

Punisher has an M10 with 10 clips, shotgun with 25 rounds, a machette, a kevlar body armour

morals off

ko/kill elmination

who wins?

#2 Posted by XMen1963 (484 posts) - - Show Bio

Mr. Castle wins, of course.

#3 Posted by Army2442 (1745 posts) - - Show Bio

@XMen1963: why

#4 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

IF is a bullet timer, but Punisher is an exceptional gunman. Morals off for Danny though...

Since it is in a subway, IF has little room to move around in, giving it to Castle

#5 Posted by Nefarious (20461 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron Fist wins with ease. Punisher is not in his league.

#6 Posted by Sufferthorn (1738 posts) - - Show Bio
@Army2442
 
  
He has guns, grenades, rocket launchers, mines, an assortment of bladed weapons, and is a crazed fanatical Martial Arts Master bent on massacring anything that gets in his way, and is better than just about everyone at it(considering that he is a non-superpowered human). 
 
Iron Fist does not have the Chi. 
 
Thats why he thinks he wins.  As for me? I am unsure. I think Iron Fist could get the jump on Punisher....but i think Castle likely wins.
#7 Posted by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a tough one for me. 
 
However im putting my chips on IF because it's over if he get close, which he might because he's a bullet timer.
#8 Posted by Army2442 (1745 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nefarious said:

Iron Fist wins with ease. Punisher is not in his league.

I wouldnt say that he is beyond frank without his chi powers.

#9 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nefarious said:

Iron Fist wins with ease. Punisher is not in his league.

He would win, but with ease? Idk.

#10 Posted by fullmetalquach (94 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Iron Fist would win, he has the skill to dodge bullets and close the gap pretty fast, once he does that i think he'd be able to beat Castle in melee combat, he was chosen to be the Iron Fist for a reason

#11 Posted by MasterofChaos (1153 posts) - - Show Bio

If Iron fist can get in close enough, he can win. What is "standard equipment for him?" Because I think he'll need something to aid with the range. Of course, dodging bullets in comics is pretty commonplace.

#12 Posted by comicon1234 (62 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher for the win. Im a huge Iron Fist fan but danny is screwed since he cant use his chi and punisher has access to weapons. It might be close, but in the end punisher would win.

#13 Posted by Army2442 (1745 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterofChaos said:

If Iron fist can get in close enough, he can win. What is "standard equipment for him?" Because I think he'll need something to aid with the range. Of course, dodging bullets in comics is pretty commonplace.

standard gear is no gear.

#14 Edited by MasterofChaos (1153 posts) - - Show Bio
@Army2442
But he can dodge bullets, right? Because if he's normal with bullets, he's got no chance at all at the distance, expecially being that Frank is good with a  gun.
#15 Edited by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

 
Iron Fist dosn't need the Chi to take Punisher. 
 
 

 
 
This is to prove Danny can dodge automatic weapons and pistols.
 

 
 
 
 
 Iron fist can dodge anything Punisher can throw at him. 
 
Does this prove to you Iron Fist beats Punisher? no? well look at this then. 
 
 

 
Here Iron fist easily defeats Punisher, he didn't have atuomatic weapons, but i showed he can dodge those (and yes that's Punisher he grew a beard in that issue)
 
So here is what happens if Iron fist gets close.  
 
 

 

#16 Posted by Army2442 (1745 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterofChaos: he can doge bullets, but frank is a good shot so stands a good chance at taging of Iron Fist before he closes the distance.

#17 Posted by MasterofChaos (1153 posts) - - Show Bio

I actually feel convinced right about now.

#18 Posted by whacknasty (5617 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nefarious said:

Iron Fist wins with ease. Punisher is not in his league.
#19 Posted by pooty (11194 posts) - - Show Bio

@acer51: i was going to say punisher but you convinced me otherwise. Iron Fist wins

#20 Posted by Army2442 (1745 posts) - - Show Bio

@acer51 said:

Iron Fist dosn't need the Chi to take Punisher.





This is to prove Danny can dodge automatic weapons and pistols.






Iron fist can dodge anything Punisher can throw at him.

Does this prove to you Iron Fist beats Punisher? no? well look at this then.




Here Iron fist easily defeats Punisher, he didn't have atuomatic weapons, but i showed he can dodge those (and yes that's Punisher he grew a beard in that issue)

So here is what happens if Iron fist gets close.

frank has tagged spidey. so he is good at leading his rounds.

#21 Posted by MasterofChaos (1153 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, Spidey does have Spider senses. But I'm not swayed just yet! I'm no Louis XIV.

#22 Posted by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@Army2442 said:

@MasterofChaos: he can doge bullets, but frank is a good shot so stands a good chance at taging of Iron Fist before he closes the distance.

But Punishers weapons arn't very good, he has an M10 and a shot gun, the M10 submachine is a light submachine gun, also like most submachine guns it dosn't have tons of ammo, and if Punisher runs out of ammo he's not going to get time to reload.

So either he gets Iron Fist on the first clip or it's the same scenario i posted, and based on evidence do you really think that's going to happen?

#23 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

Spirit of the dragon prevails.

#24 Edited by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@Army2442 said:

@acer51 said:

Iron Fist dosn't need the Chi to take Punisher.





This is to prove Danny can dodge automatic weapons and pistols.






Iron fist can dodge anything Punisher can throw at him.

Does this prove to you Iron Fist beats Punisher? no? well look at this then.




Here Iron fist easily defeats Punisher, he didn't have atuomatic weapons, but i showed he can dodge those (and yes that's Punisher he grew a beard in that issue)

So here is what happens if Iron fist gets close.

frank has tagged spidey. so he is good at leading his rounds.

I think you might be right, but i've honestly never seen Punisher get Spiderman with a bullet so can i see some scans?

#25 Posted by Army2442 (1745 posts) - - Show Bio

@acer51: I meant he had the M14 my mistake, but danny could easily close the distance in them time it takes to reload.

#26 Posted by Kinasin_ (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with frank.

#27 Posted by Army2442 (1745 posts) - - Show Bio

@acer51:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6814/apunspider1xl3.th.jpg

#28 Posted by God_Spawn (37904 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterofChaos said:

Well, Spidey does have Spider senses. But I'm not swayed just yet! I'm no Louis XIV.

Daredevil has stated Frank pulls his shots on him if I'm not mistaken. Considering one of Daredevil's oldest enemies is arguably the best marksman in Marvel it speaks quite a bit for Frank's accuracy.

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#29 Posted by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@MasterofChaos said:

Well, Spidey does have Spider senses. But I'm not swayed just yet! I'm no Louis XIV.

Daredevil has stated Frank pulls his shots on him if I'm not mistaken. Considering one of Daredevil's oldest enemies is arguably the best marksman in Marvel it speaks quite a bit for Frank's accuracy.

No that's Deadshot your thinking about.

#30 Posted by God_Spawn (37904 posts) - - Show Bio

@acer51: How am I thinking of Deadshot and Batman? I clearly said Punisher and Daredevil and made a reference towards Bullseye. I'm not mixing any info up at all.

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#31 Edited by k4tzm4n (44428 posts) - - Show Bio

@acer51: @god_spawn: lol.

This definitely doesn't seem easy for Danny. Punisher is fairly well armed, has a solid starting distance, won't pull his shots, and to top it off, a subway doesn't provide much cover. On the flip side, none of Frank's weapons are good for long range.

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#32 Edited by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@acer51: How am I thinking of Deadshot and Batman? I clearly said Punisher and Daredevil and made a reference towards Bullseye. I'm not mixing any info up at all.

Because Deadshot holds back against Batman and you made a reference torwards Bullseye who is considered Deadshots Marvel counterpart.

It makes sense you could have mixed up the info about Punisher, im not trying to say you did, i'm just saying you could have.

#33 Posted by k4tzm4n (44428 posts) - - Show Bio

@acer51 said:

@god_spawn said:

@acer51: How am I thinking of Deadshot and Batman? I clearly said Punisher and Daredevil and made a reference towards Bullseye. I'm not mixing any info up at all.

Because Deadshot holds back against Batman and you made a reference torwards Bullseye who is considered Deadshots Marvel counterpart.

It makes sense you could have mixed up the info about Punisher, im not trying to say you did, i'm just saying you could have.

God_Spawn is correct, though. Daredevil has made that remark about the Punisher.

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#34 Posted by God_Spawn (37904 posts) - - Show Bio

@acer51: Why would I imply Deadshot when I said Frank and Daredevil? Floyd isn't even a Marvel character. I have 0 idea how I could mix them up.

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#35 Posted by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

@acer51: @god_spawn: lol.

This definitely doesn't seem easy for Danny. Punisher is fairly well armed, has a solid starting distance, won't pull his shots, and to top it off, a subway doesn't provide much cover. On the flip side, none of Frank's weapons are good for long range.

You don't think Danny will survive the first clip?

Many people have survived Punishers first round of bullets, if you don't think Iron fist can survive the first clip, your simply not giving enough credit to old Danny.

#36 Posted by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@acer51: Why would I imply Deadshot when I said Frank and Daredevil? Floyd isn't even a Marvel character. I have 0 idea how I could mix them up.

Sorry, my skills in mind reading arn't good as i thought.

#37 Posted by Pokeysteve (8309 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL let me get this straight......some of you are saying Danny is going to travel 200 feet in the two or three seconds it'll take Frank to reload?

Dodging machine gun fire is ridiculous. I can get on board with a pistol but you can only run and flip so fast. If Fist does somehow make it that close to Castle how the hell is he going to dodge shotgun fire? I came in here thinking this was a spite h2h fight and I'm really glad it wasn't.

Going with Punisher.

#38 Edited by k4tzm4n (44428 posts) - - Show Bio

@acer51: I never provided an outcome.

This definitely doesn't seem easy for Danny. Punisher is fairly well armed, has a solid starting distance, won't pull his shots, and to top it off, a subway doesn't provide much cover. On the flip side, none of Frank's weapons are good for long range.
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#39 Posted by pooty (11194 posts) - - Show Bio

If you can dodge machine gun fire then you can dodge anyones machine gun fire. Danny wins

#40 Posted by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

LOL let me get this straight......some of you are saying Danny is going to travel 200 feet in the two or three seconds it'll take Frank to reload?

Dodging machine gun fire is ridiculous. I can get on board with a pistol but you can only run and flip so fast. If Fist does somehow make it that close to Castle how the hell is he going to dodge shotgun fire? I came in here thinking this was a spite h2h fight and I'm really glad it wasn't.

Going with Punisher.

Not JUST in the time it takes to reload, he'll be able to jump off the walls and dodge bullets in the air like in the scans i showed.

#41 Posted by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: fair enough, but i'd also like to make the point morals are off so Danny will be looking to kill Punisher instantly.

#42 Posted by Army2442 (1745 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

If you can dodge machine gun fire then you can dodge anyones machine gun fire. Danny wins

not true, theres a big differnce in dodging machine gun fire from a thug and dodging fire from an exprinced marksman like frank.

#43 Posted by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@Army2442 said:

@pooty said:

If you can dodge machine gun fire then you can dodge anyones machine gun fire. Danny wins

not true, theres a big differnce in dodging machine gun fire from a thug and dodging fire from an exprinced marksman like frank.

That's true but Daredevil and Nightcrawler have dodged Punisher, if they can dodge one roudn why cant Ironfist?

#44 Posted by Vance Astro (91238 posts) - - Show Bio
@acer51 said:

That's true but Daredevil and Nightcrawler have dodged Punisher, if they can dodge one roudn why cant Ironfist?

The Punisher has shot Daredevil a bunch of times and the Punisher has tagged Nightcrawler unarmed.Daredevil is capable of dodging the Punisher but not for long.His defense in the fights he's one has mainly been the ability to close the gap (in this case the gap is huge),throwing a weapon at the Punisher (Iron Fist has none), or using cover (don't know what subways you've been in), there's not alot of cover in an NY subway.
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#45 Posted by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@acer51 said:

That's true but Daredevil and Nightcrawler have dodged Punisher, if they can dodge one roudn why cant Ironfist?

The Punisher has shot Daredevil a bunch of times and the Punisher has tagged Nightcrawler unarmed.Daredevil is capable of dodging the Punisher but not for long.His defense in the fights he's one has mainly been the ability to close the gap (in this case the gap is huge),throwing a weapon at the Punisher (Iron Fist has none), or using cover (don't know what subways you've been in), there's not alot of cover in an NY subway.

Are you saying IronFist wont be able to dodge Punisher?

#46 Posted by pooty (11194 posts) - - Show Bio

@Army2442 said:

@pooty said:

If you can dodge machine gun fire then you can dodge anyones machine gun fire. Danny wins

not true, theres a big differnce in dodging machine gun fire from a thug and dodging fire from an exprinced marksman like frank.

disagree. with a sniper rifle or pistal aim is important. but with the speed that a machine gun uses, point and aim is enough. Also heroes have dodged thugs as well as experienced marksmen so i don't see much difference.

#47 Posted by Vance Astro (91238 posts) - - Show Bio
@acer51 said:

Are you saying IronFist wont be able to dodge Punisher?

The Punisher has shot characters with comparable dodging ability to Iron Fist...so, yes!
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#48 Edited by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@acer51 said:

Are you saying IronFist wont be able to dodge Punisher?

The Punisher has shot characters with comparable dodging ability to Iron Fist...so, yes!

Iron fist has dodged Punisher before, he had plenty of shots and Ironfist had his back turned.

(i know he dosn't look like him because he grew a beard, read the text it makes it clear)

#49 Posted by Vance Astro (91238 posts) - - Show Bio
@acer51 said:

Iron fist has dodged Punisher before, he had plenty of shots and Ironfist had his back turned.

(i know he dosn't look like him because he grew a beard, read the text it makes it clear)

1.Completely different setting from the one used in this thread. 
2.Completely different set of guns as well. 
3.Many characters have dodged Frank before but have also been shot in different scenarios.
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#50 Edited by acer51 (2237 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@acer51 said:

Iron fist has dodged Punisher before, he had plenty of shots and Ironfist had his back turned.

(i know he dosn't look like him because he grew a beard, read the text it makes it clear)

1.Completely different setting from the one used in this thread. 2.Completely different set of guns as well. 3.Many characters have dodged Frank before but have also been shot in different scenarios.

1) invalid point, if we only accepted feats in the exact same setting then scans would be wortless all together.

2) diffrent guns sure, but a machine gun is less acurate then a pistol.

3) I didn't say they couldn't, but you said Ironfist couldn't dodge Punisher i just proved that statement false.

Now let's get down to the real action shall we? If Ironfist can now evade Punishers legendary aim whats going to happen?