Punisher vs Iron fist (no chi)

random encounter

no prep

Location: a subway 200 feet away

Iron Fist has his standard gear

Punisher has an M10 with 10 clips, shotgun with 25 rounds, a machette, a kevlar body armour

morals off

ko/kill elmination

who wins?

Mr. Castle wins, of course.

@XMen1963: why

IF is a bullet timer, but Punisher is an exceptional gunman. Morals off for Danny though...

Since it is in a subway, IF has little room to move around in, giving it to Castle

Iron Fist wins with ease. Punisher is not in his league.

@Nefarious said:

Iron Fist wins with ease. Punisher is not in his league.

I wouldnt say that he is beyond frank without his chi powers.

@Nefarious said:

Iron Fist wins with ease. Punisher is not in his league.

He would win, but with ease? Idk.

I think Iron Fist would win, he has the skill to dodge bullets and close the gap pretty fast, once he does that i think he'd be able to beat Castle in melee combat, he was chosen to be the Iron Fist for a reason

If Iron fist can get in close enough, he can win. What is "standard equipment for him?" Because I think he'll need something to aid with the range. Of course, dodging bullets in comics is pretty commonplace.

Punisher for the win. Im a huge Iron Fist fan but danny is screwed since he cant use his chi and punisher has access to weapons. It might be close, but in the end punisher would win.

@MasterofChaos said:

If Iron fist can get in close enough, he can win. What is "standard equipment for him?" Because I think he'll need something to aid with the range. Of course, dodging bullets in comics is pretty commonplace.

standard gear is no gear.

 
Iron Fist dosn't need the Chi to take Punisher. 
 
 

 
 
This is to prove Danny can dodge automatic weapons and pistols.
 

 
 
 
 
 Iron fist can dodge anything Punisher can throw at him. 
 
Does this prove to you Iron Fist beats Punisher? no? well look at this then. 
 
 

 
Here Iron fist easily defeats Punisher, he didn't have atuomatic weapons, but i showed he can dodge those (and yes that's Punisher he grew a beard in that issue)
 
So here is what happens if Iron fist gets close.  
 
 

 

@MasterofChaos: he can doge bullets, but frank is a good shot so stands a good chance at taging of Iron Fist before he closes the distance.

I actually feel convinced right about now.

@Nefarious said:

Iron Fist wins with ease. Punisher is not in his league.

@acer51: i was going to say punisher but you convinced me otherwise. Iron Fist wins

@acer51 said:

Iron Fist dosn't need the Chi to take Punisher.





This is to prove Danny can dodge automatic weapons and pistols.






Iron fist can dodge anything Punisher can throw at him.

Does this prove to you Iron Fist beats Punisher? no? well look at this then.




Here Iron fist easily defeats Punisher, he didn't have atuomatic weapons, but i showed he can dodge those (and yes that's Punisher he grew a beard in that issue)

So here is what happens if Iron fist gets close.

frank has tagged spidey. so he is good at leading his rounds.

Well, Spidey does have Spider senses. But I'm not swayed just yet! I'm no Louis XIV.

@Army2442 said:

@MasterofChaos: he can doge bullets, but frank is a good shot so stands a good chance at taging of Iron Fist before he closes the distance.

But Punishers weapons arn't very good, he has an M10 and a shot gun, the M10 submachine is a light submachine gun, also like most submachine guns it dosn't have tons of ammo, and if Punisher runs out of ammo he's not going to get time to reload.

So either he gets Iron Fist on the first clip or it's the same scenario i posted, and based on evidence do you really think that's going to happen?

Spirit of the dragon prevails.

@Army2442 said:

@acer51 said:

Iron Fist dosn't need the Chi to take Punisher.





This is to prove Danny can dodge automatic weapons and pistols.






Iron fist can dodge anything Punisher can throw at him.

Does this prove to you Iron Fist beats Punisher? no? well look at this then.




Here Iron fist easily defeats Punisher, he didn't have atuomatic weapons, but i showed he can dodge those (and yes that's Punisher he grew a beard in that issue)

So here is what happens if Iron fist gets close.

frank has tagged spidey. so he is good at leading his rounds.

I think you might be right, but i've honestly never seen Punisher get Spiderman with a bullet so can i see some scans?

@acer51: I meant he had the M14 my mistake, but danny could easily close the distance in them time it takes to reload.

Going with frank.

@acer51:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6814/apunspider1xl3.th.jpg

@MasterofChaos said:

Well, Spidey does have Spider senses. But I'm not swayed just yet! I'm no Louis XIV.

Daredevil has stated Frank pulls his shots on him if I'm not mistaken. Considering one of Daredevil's oldest enemies is arguably the best marksman in Marvel it speaks quite a bit for Frank's accuracy.

@god_spawn said:

@MasterofChaos said:

Well, Spidey does have Spider senses. But I'm not swayed just yet! I'm no Louis XIV.

Daredevil has stated Frank pulls his shots on him if I'm not mistaken. Considering one of Daredevil's oldest enemies is arguably the best marksman in Marvel it speaks quite a bit for Frank's accuracy.

No that's Deadshot your thinking about.

@acer51: How am I thinking of Deadshot and Batman? I clearly said Punisher and Daredevil and made a reference towards Bullseye. I'm not mixing any info up at all.

@acer51: @god_spawn: lol.

This definitely doesn't seem easy for Danny. Punisher is fairly well armed, has a solid starting distance, won't pull his shots, and to top it off, a subway doesn't provide much cover. On the flip side, none of Frank's weapons are good for long range.

@god_spawn said:

@acer51: How am I thinking of Deadshot and Batman? I clearly said Punisher and Daredevil and made a reference towards Bullseye. I'm not mixing any info up at all.

Because Deadshot holds back against Batman and you made a reference torwards Bullseye who is considered Deadshots Marvel counterpart.

It makes sense you could have mixed up the info about Punisher, im not trying to say you did, i'm just saying you could have.

@acer51 said:

@god_spawn said:

@acer51: How am I thinking of Deadshot and Batman? I clearly said Punisher and Daredevil and made a reference towards Bullseye. I'm not mixing any info up at all.

Because Deadshot holds back against Batman and you made a reference torwards Bullseye who is considered Deadshots Marvel counterpart.

It makes sense you could have mixed up the info about Punisher, im not trying to say you did, i'm just saying you could have.

God_Spawn is correct, though. Daredevil has made that remark about the Punisher.

@acer51: Why would I imply Deadshot when I said Frank and Daredevil? Floyd isn't even a Marvel character. I have 0 idea how I could mix them up.

@k4tzm4n said:

@acer51: @god_spawn: lol.

This definitely doesn't seem easy for Danny. Punisher is fairly well armed, has a solid starting distance, won't pull his shots, and to top it off, a subway doesn't provide much cover. On the flip side, none of Frank's weapons are good for long range.

You don't think Danny will survive the first clip?

Many people have survived Punishers first round of bullets, if you don't think Iron fist can survive the first clip, your simply not giving enough credit to old Danny.

@god_spawn said:

@acer51: Why would I imply Deadshot when I said Frank and Daredevil? Floyd isn't even a Marvel character. I have 0 idea how I could mix them up.

Sorry, my skills in mind reading arn't good as i thought.

LOL let me get this straight......some of you are saying Danny is going to travel 200 feet in the two or three seconds it'll take Frank to reload?

Dodging machine gun fire is ridiculous. I can get on board with a pistol but you can only run and flip so fast. If Fist does somehow make it that close to Castle how the hell is he going to dodge shotgun fire? I came in here thinking this was a spite h2h fight and I'm really glad it wasn't.

Going with Punisher.

@acer51: I never provided an outcome.

This definitely doesn't seem easy for Danny. Punisher is fairly well armed, has a solid starting distance, won't pull his shots, and to top it off, a subway doesn't provide much cover. On the flip side, none of Frank's weapons are good for long range.

If you can dodge machine gun fire then you can dodge anyones machine gun fire. Danny wins

@Pokeysteve said:

LOL let me get this straight......some of you are saying Danny is going to travel 200 feet in the two or three seconds it'll take Frank to reload?

Dodging machine gun fire is ridiculous. I can get on board with a pistol but you can only run and flip so fast. If Fist does somehow make it that close to Castle how the hell is he going to dodge shotgun fire? I came in here thinking this was a spite h2h fight and I'm really glad it wasn't.

Going with Punisher.

Not JUST in the time it takes to reload, he'll be able to jump off the walls and dodge bullets in the air like in the scans i showed.

@k4tzm4n: fair enough, but i'd also like to make the point morals are off so Danny will be looking to kill Punisher instantly.

@pooty said:

If you can dodge machine gun fire then you can dodge anyones machine gun fire. Danny wins

not true, theres a big differnce in dodging machine gun fire from a thug and dodging fire from an exprinced marksman like frank.

@Army2442 said:

@pooty said:

If you can dodge machine gun fire then you can dodge anyones machine gun fire. Danny wins

not true, theres a big differnce in dodging machine gun fire from a thug and dodging fire from an exprinced marksman like frank.

That's true but Daredevil and Nightcrawler have dodged Punisher, if they can dodge one roudn why cant Ironfist?

That's true but Daredevil and Nightcrawler have dodged Punisher, if they can dodge one roudn why cant Ironfist?

@Vance Astro said:

@acer51 said:

That's true but Daredevil and Nightcrawler have dodged Punisher, if they can dodge one roudn why cant Ironfist?

The Punisher has shot Daredevil a bunch of times and the Punisher has tagged Nightcrawler unarmed.Daredevil is capable of dodging the Punisher but not for long.His defense in the fights he's one has mainly been the ability to close the gap (in this case the gap is huge),throwing a weapon at the Punisher (Iron Fist has none), or using cover (don't know what subways you've been in), there's not alot of cover in an NY subway.

Are you saying IronFist wont be able to dodge Punisher?

@Army2442 said:

@pooty said:

If you can dodge machine gun fire then you can dodge anyones machine gun fire. Danny wins

not true, theres a big differnce in dodging machine gun fire from a thug and dodging fire from an exprinced marksman like frank.

disagree. with a sniper rifle or pistal aim is important. but with the speed that a machine gun uses, point and aim is enough. Also heroes have dodged thugs as well as experienced marksmen so i don't see much difference.

Are you saying IronFist wont be able to dodge Punisher?

@Vance Astro said:

@acer51 said:

Are you saying IronFist wont be able to dodge Punisher?

The Punisher has shot characters with comparable dodging ability to Iron Fist...so, yes!

Iron fist has dodged Punisher before, he had plenty of shots and Ironfist had his back turned.

(i know he dosn't look like him because he grew a beard, read the text it makes it clear)

Iron fist has dodged Punisher before, he had plenty of shots and Ironfist had his back turned.

(i know he dosn't look like him because he grew a beard, read the text it makes it clear)

@Vance Astro said:

@acer51 said:

Iron fist has dodged Punisher before, he had plenty of shots and Ironfist had his back turned.

(i know he dosn't look like him because he grew a beard, read the text it makes it clear)

1.Completely different setting from the one used in this thread. 2.Completely different set of guns as well. 3.Many characters have dodged Frank before but have also been shot in different scenarios.

1) invalid point, if we only accepted feats in the exact same setting then scans would be wortless all together.

2) diffrent guns sure, but a machine gun is less acurate then a pistol.

3) I didn't say they couldn't, but you said Ironfist couldn't dodge Punisher i just proved that statement false.

Now let's get down to the real action shall we? If Ironfist can now evade Punishers legendary aim whats going to happen?