I was checking some comics and I saw a Punisher comic where he is the last survivor on earth. All other humans and supers have been turned into flesh eating cannibals. I thought to myself how cool is that. Then I saw the part where he fights the Hulk (zombie version). I thought he must run cause how else would he survive. But instead Frank shoots Hulk in the eye with an adamantium tipped arrow. This knocks out the Hulk and then somehow Frank saws off the Giants head and goes on his merry way. One thing I noticed is that Hulk's healing factor must have been neutralized by the virus because he had huge scars on his body from Wolverine's claws and if his healing factor would have been working those scars would not have been there. Later I was thinking about World War Hulk. Could the Punisher during the WWH storyline just have sniped Hulk in the eye with such an arrow and ended the whole catastrophe that easily. I would assume the Hulk would just be pissed he had been shot in the eye, pull the arrow out and then smash Punisher to paste while his eye grew back. All my rambling aside I was curious with what comic veterans on the vine could offer on the subject. Who would be the victor. Thank you for your opinions.
Punisher vs Hulk (World War Hulk Story Arc)
" I was checking some comics and I saw a Punisher comic where he is the last survivor on earth. All other humans and supers have been turned into flesh eating cannibals. I thought to myself how cool is that. Then I saw the part where he fights the Hulk (zombie version). I thought he must run cause how else would he survive. But instead Frank shoots Hulk in the eye with an adamantium tipped arrow. This knocks out the Hulk and then somehow Frank saws off the Giants head and goes on his merry way. One thing I noticed is that Hulk's healing factor must have been neutralized by the virus because he had huge scars on his body from Wolverine's claws and if his healing factor would have been working those scars would not have been there. Later I was thinking about World War Hulk. Could the Punisher during the WWH storyline just have sniped Hulk in the eye with such an arrow and ended the whole catastrophe that easily. I would assume the Hulk would just be pissed he had been shot in the eye, pull the arrow out and then smash Punisher to paste while his eye grew back. All my rambling aside I was curious with what comic veterans on the vine could offer on the subject. Who would be the victor. Thank you for your opinions. "
No because of his healing factor.
Depends on what weapons and ordnance Punisher used. A minigun with Adamantium tipped bullets and White phosphorus/spent uranium cores would Cut the Hulk into pieces.
Not if his healing factor was intact." @Formidable: Do you think the arrow could take him out though "
Addendum: But it would likely affect whatever portions of the brain it was lodged in until pulled out.
Yvw." @Formidable: thanks for the answer, by the way what are White phosphorus/spent uranium cores, sounds like a real world round, what is there effect "
Spent uranium rounds are heavier (denser) than lead rounds while being very hard making them excellent armor piercing rounds. The downside is that they arent 100% spent and carry some radiation which travels through the air when some on the metal is vaporized on a hit.
White phosphorus rounds ignite and burn at very high temperatures.
The combination of the two is just something i though of for this thread (the phosphorus to tax the Hulks healing factor while the incredible rate of fire decapitated him/tore him apart).
"I was checking some comics and I saw a Punisher comic where he is the last survivor on earth. All other humans and supers have been turned into flesh eating cannibals. I thought to myself how cool is that. Then I saw the part where he fights the Hulk (zombie version). I thought he must run cause how else would he survive. But instead Frank shoots Hulk in the eye with an adamantium tipped arrow. This knocks out the Hulk and then somehow Frank saws off the Giants head and goes on his merry way. One thing I noticed is that Hulk's healing factor must have been neutralized by the virus because he had huge scars on his body from Wolverine's claws and if his healing factor would have been working those scars would not have been there. Later I was thinking about World War Hulk. Could the Punisher during the WWH storyline just have sniped Hulk in the eye with such an arrow and ended the whole catastrophe that easily. I would assume the Hulk would just be pissed he had been shot in the eye, pull the arrow out and then smash Punisher to paste while his eye grew back. All my rambling aside I was curious with what comic veterans on the vine could offer on the subject. Who would be the victor. Thank you for your opinions."
Yeah, that's why they're called non-canon stories, they don't aply to the real deals in 616. Frank couldn't saw off Hulk's head if he tried, he's no where next to strong enough to even stab him and puncture his skin. Anything can hapen in an alternate stroy where your not bound by continuity and rules. Castle killed most of the MU hero's, as for Hulk in that story, he just watched Hulk's every move, when he reverted back to Banner, just walked right up, and popped him in the back of the head. Yes, he can try and kill the Hulk, indirectly, by killing Banner. Whether that would even work in 616, whether he'd still revert to Hulk after he gets shot, won't know till it hapens, I guess.
" @warlockcaster said:He may have used a razor-sharp Adamantium saw."I was checking some comics and I saw a Punisher comic where he is the last survivor on earth. All other humans and supers have been turned into flesh eating cannibals. I thought to myself how cool is that. Then I saw the part where he fights the Hulk (zombie version). I thought he must run cause how else would he survive. But instead Frank shoots Hulk in the eye with an adamantium tipped arrow. This knocks out the Hulk and then somehow Frank saws off the Giants head and goes on his merry way. One thing I noticed is that Hulk's healing factor must have been neutralized by the virus because he had huge scars on his body from Wolverine's claws and if his healing factor would have been working those scars would not have been there. Later I was thinking about World War Hulk. Could the Punisher during the WWH storyline just have sniped Hulk in the eye with such an arrow and ended the whole catastrophe that easily. I would assume the Hulk would just be pissed he had been shot in the eye, pull the arrow out and then smash Punisher to paste while his eye grew back. All my rambling aside I was curious with what comic veterans on the vine could offer on the subject. Who would be the victor. Thank you for your opinions."Yeah, that's why they're called non-canon stories, they don't aply to the real deals in 616. Frank couldn't saw off Hulk's head if he tried, he's no where next to strong enough to even stab him and puncture his skin. Anything can hapen in an alternate stroy where your not bound by continuity and rules. Castle killed most of the MU hero's, as for Hulk in that story, he just watched Hulk's every move, when he reverted back to Banner, just walked right up, and popped him in the back of the head. Yes, he can try and kill the Hulk, indirectly, by killing Banner. Whether that would even work in 616, whether he'd still revert to Hulk after he gets shot, won't know till it hapens, I guess. "
" @Push said:" @warlockcaster said:He may have used a razor-sharp Adamantium saw. ""I was checking some comics and I saw a Punisher comic where he is the last survivor on earth. All other humans and supers have been turned into flesh eating cannibals. I thought to myself how cool is that. Then I saw the part where he fights the Hulk (zombie version). I thought he must run cause how else would he survive. But instead Frank shoots Hulk in the eye with an adamantium tipped arrow. This knocks out the Hulk and then somehow Frank saws off the Giants head and goes on his merry way. One thing I noticed is that Hulk's healing factor must have been neutralized by the virus because he had huge scars on his body from Wolverine's claws and if his healing factor would have been working those scars would not have been there. Later I was thinking about World War Hulk. Could the Punisher during the WWH storyline just have sniped Hulk in the eye with such an arrow and ended the whole catastrophe that easily. I would assume the Hulk would just be pissed he had been shot in the eye, pull the arrow out and then smash Punisher to paste while his eye grew back. All my rambling aside I was curious with what comic veterans on the vine could offer on the subject. Who would be the victor. Thank you for your opinions."Yeah, that's why they're called non-canon stories, they don't aply to the real deals in 616. Frank couldn't saw off Hulk's head if he tried, he's no where next to strong enough to even stab him and puncture his skin. Anything can hapen in an alternate stroy where your not bound by continuity and rules. Castle killed most of the MU hero's, as for Hulk in that story, he just watched Hulk's every move, when he reverted back to Banner, just walked right up, and popped him in the back of the head. Yes, he can try and kill the Hulk, indirectly, by killing Banner. Whether that would even work in 616, whether he'd still revert to Hulk after he gets shot, won't know till it hapens, I guess. "
He still wouldn't have the strength to cut through the Hulk, imo. And, is Hulk just lying there, yelling "Hurry up Frank?"
Adamantium cuts through the Hulk with ease so it would take very little strength, and there are no contiguous bones in the neck so he could simply cut between the segments quite readily." @Formidable said:
" @Push said:He still wouldn't have the strength to cut through the Hulk, imo. And, is Hulk just lying there, yelling "Hurry up Frank?" "" @warlockcaster said:He may have used a razor-sharp Adamantium saw. ""I was checking some comics and I saw a Punisher comic where he is the last survivor on earth. All other humans and supers have been turned into flesh eating cannibals. I thought to myself how cool is that. Then I saw the part where he fights the Hulk (zombie version). I thought he must run cause how else would he survive. But instead Frank shoots Hulk in the eye with an adamantium tipped arrow. This knocks out the Hulk and then somehow Frank saws off the Giants head and goes on his merry way. One thing I noticed is that Hulk's healing factor must have been neutralized by the virus because he had huge scars on his body from Wolverine's claws and if his healing factor would have been working those scars would not have been there. Later I was thinking about World War Hulk. Could the Punisher during the WWH storyline just have sniped Hulk in the eye with such an arrow and ended the whole catastrophe that easily. I would assume the Hulk would just be pissed he had been shot in the eye, pull the arrow out and then smash Punisher to paste while his eye grew back. All my rambling aside I was curious with what comic veterans on the vine could offer on the subject. Who would be the victor. Thank you for your opinions."Yeah, that's why they're called non-canon stories, they don't aply to the real deals in 616. Frank couldn't saw off Hulk's head if he tried, he's no where next to strong enough to even stab him and puncture his skin. Anything can hapen in an alternate stroy where your not bound by continuity and rules. Castle killed most of the MU hero's, as for Hulk in that story, he just watched Hulk's every move, when he reverted back to Banner, just walked right up, and popped him in the back of the head. Yes, he can try and kill the Hulk, indirectly, by killing Banner. Whether that would even work in 616, whether he'd still revert to Hulk after he gets shot, won't know till it hapens, I guess. "
I didn't think it was an Adamantium saw but i was simply stating that it could have been.
It is more likely that the hulk body simply wasn't as durable because of the "zombification" and subsequent cellular degradation.
"@Push said:Adamantium cuts through the Hulk with ease so it would take very little strength, and there are no contiguous bones in the neck so he could simply cut between the segments quite readily. "" @Formidable said:
" @Push said:He still wouldn't have the strength to cut through the Hulk, imo. And, is Hulk just lying there, yelling "Hurry up Frank?" "" @warlockcaster said:He may have used a razor-sharp Adamantium saw. ""I was checking some comics and I saw a Punisher comic where he is the last survivor on earth. All other humans and supers have been turned into flesh eating cannibals. I thought to myself how cool is that. Then I saw the part where he fights the Hulk (zombie version). I thought he must run cause how else would he survive. But instead Frank shoots Hulk in the eye with an adamantium tipped arrow. This knocks out the Hulk and then somehow Frank saws off the Giants head and goes on his merry way. One thing I noticed is that Hulk's healing factor must have been neutralized by the virus because he had huge scars on his body from Wolverine's claws and if his healing factor would have been working those scars would not have been there. Later I was thinking about World War Hulk. Could the Punisher during the WWH storyline just have sniped Hulk in the eye with such an arrow and ended the whole catastrophe that easily. I would assume the Hulk would just be pissed he had been shot in the eye, pull the arrow out and then smash Punisher to paste while his eye grew back. All my rambling aside I was curious with what comic veterans on the vine could offer on the subject. Who would be the victor. Thank you for your opinions."Yeah, that's why they're called non-canon stories, they don't aply to the real deals in 616. Frank couldn't saw off Hulk's head if he tried, he's no where next to strong enough to even stab him and puncture his skin. Anything can hapen in an alternate stroy where your not bound by continuity and rules. Castle killed most of the MU hero's, as for Hulk in that story, he just watched Hulk's every move, when he reverted back to Banner, just walked right up, and popped him in the back of the head. Yes, he can try and kill the Hulk, indirectly, by killing Banner. Whether that would even work in 616, whether he'd still revert to Hulk after he gets shot, won't know till it hapens, I guess. "
You ever read Incredible Hulk: Future Imperfect? There's a panel when Prof Hulk is fighting the Maestro, and he hurls Caps shield and plunges it into the Maestro's chest, and Maestro's says something like "The shield never posed a threat to us, even when Cap had it, cause no one had sufficient strength to throw it hard enough to actually hurt us'.
These comments make me think the battle would go something like this. Punisher has somehow acquired adamantium ammo for a sniper rifle. He starts putting rounds in the Hulk's head. The Hulk gets pissed, pushes the rounds out via healing factor and decorates the sidewalk and building with Punisher stains. The punisher is a great conventional fighter and excellent battle tactician but against the Hulk in the 616 universe he is outmatched. Unless Garth Ennis writes the story. Then the punisher kills the Hulk in hand-to-hand combat with his bare fists.
"Unless Garth Ennis writes the story. Then the punisher kills the Hulk in hand-to-hand combat with his bare fists. "
LoL Too true. He did have Thor get his ass severly kicked by a thousand yeard old rune zombie who took out the whole avengers on top and practically took over America and nearly the world. Anythings possible with Ennis, and his love for superheros ;-)
it didnt happen in WWH" Depends on what weapons and ordnance Punisher used. A minigun with Adamantium tipped bullets and White phosphorus/spent uranium cores would Cut the Hulk into pieces. "
@warlockcaster:
I would say thats accaptable,the Hulk`s healing factor had (apparentely) disapeared,also if the plaga is like the Zombie-verse,it is likely his durability was downgraded as well
If Frank Decapitated (removed his head from his body) him with a 3000 round per minute minigun on full auto with Admantium tipped/spent uranium core bullets the Hulk would die." WWHulk's healing factor is near instantaneous, there's not allot that Frank could do to him that he wouldn't just shrug off. "
Caps shieled is blunt not razor sharp. Wolverines claws never had any problem cutting the hulks because they are sharpened. Blunt shields don't cut and would take superhuman strength to penetrate even a normal human torso." @Formidable said:
You ever read Incredible Hulk: Future Imperfect? There's a panel when Prof Hulk is fighting the Maestro, and he hurls Caps shield and plunges it into the Maestro's chest, and Maestro's says something like "The shield never posed a threat to us, even when Cap had it, cause no one had sufficient strength to throw it hard enough to actually hurt us'. "Adamantium cuts through the Hulk with ease so it would take very little strength, and there are no contiguous bones in the neck so he could simply cut between the segments quite readily. "
@Matezoide said:
Nor did the beyonder come down and turn hulk into a marble in WWH. Just because things didn't happen in WWH doesn't mean they aren't possible. There are many characters in the Marvel universe capable of slaying the hulk. He is simply an asset that Marvel doesn't want dead." @Formidable said:
it didnt happen in WWH" Depends on what weapons and ordnance Punisher used. A minigun with Adamantium tipped bullets and White phosphorus/spent uranium cores would Cut the Hulk into pieces. "
That MIGHT, and I emphasize might, work. WWH is a complete monster when it comes to healing factor, he was shrugging off pretty much everything without much effort, his healing factor would likely have the wounds closed as fast as they were made. Plus WWH is realllllyyyyy fast, he's not going to just sit there and take it from Frank.
You've come up with what would be one of the few ways that Frank could do him in, but WWH's healing feats are pretty ridiculous.
with the proper weaponry frank could beat the hulk....if The Punisher had adamantium rounds, vibranium rounds, life model decoys, claymore adamantium fragments & explosives...say stark punisher armor thats remote for cover fire......100 cal adamantium sniper gun.....adamantium tip posion darts, toxin to slow healing factor, carbondium rounds to slow healing factor, and that kryptonite-ish metal blade that stops healing factors...Cable technology - teleport, energy berriors, plasma explosives, doom-tech nanno drones to disrupt his healing temporary, and do other damage and vibranium kevlar provided by black panther. u know they shoulda had frank do this in WWH
" @warlockcaster said:"I was checking some comics and I saw a Punisher comic where he is the last survivor on earth. All other humans and supers have been turned into flesh eating cannibals. I thought to myself how cool is that. Then I saw the part where he fights the Hulk (zombie version). I thought he must run cause how else would he survive. But instead Frank shoots Hulk in the eye with an adamantium tipped arrow. This knocks out the Hulk and then somehow Frank saws off the Giants head and goes on his merry way. One thing I noticed is that Hulk's healing factor must have been neutralized by the virus because he had huge scars on his body from Wolverine's claws and if his healing factor would have been working those scars would not have been there. Later I was thinking about World War Hulk. Could the Punisher during the WWH storyline just have sniped Hulk in the eye with such an arrow and ended the whole catastrophe that easily. I would assume the Hulk would just be pissed he had been shot in the eye, pull the arrow out and then smash Punisher to paste while his eye grew back. All my rambling aside I was curious with what comic veterans on the vine could offer on the subject. Who would be the victor. Thank you for your opinions."Yeah, that's why they're called non-canon stories, they don't aply to the real deals in 616. Frank couldn't saw off Hulk's head if he tried, he's no where next to strong enough to even stab him and puncture his skin. Anything can hapen in an alternate stroy where your not bound by continuity and rules. Castle killed most of the MU hero's, as for Hulk in that story, he just watched Hulk's every move, when he reverted back to Banner, just walked right up, and popped him in the back of the head. Yes, he can try and kill the Hulk, indirectly, by killing Banner. Whether that would even work in 616, whether he'd still revert to Hulk after he gets shot, won't know till it hapens, I guess. "
" @warlockcaster said:"Unless Garth Ennis writes the story. Then the punisher kills the Hulk in hand-to-hand combat with his bare fists. "HAHAHA Totally true. "
Being honest I found nothing unrealistic about the way the Punisher took down the Hulk before. Granted it was out there but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
I think the Punisher under the right conditions can take down the hulk as he has done before. So I'm going with the Punisher unless it is head to head in which case the Punisher loses but considering that isn't how the Punisher goes against tougher opponents I doubt the Hulk is just going to be able to smash him like people on here claim.
Ité pretty unclear for me, as I just finished reading the series, "Marvel Universe vs the Punisher"... it´s confusing, first of all, the virus doesn´t turn them into zombies, just makes them a more simple minded, primitive cannibalistic predators, but still alive and "human" (think 28 Days Later, but with somewhat semi-intelligent infected), it is showed that the virus diminishes heroes´ powers, but in some cases they remain intact. For example, Punisher killed the Hulk by just shooting an arrow in his eye, with the tip of one of Wolverine´s claws, Hulk didn´t pull out the arrow, just died after a few seconds... and in the other hand, it is showed that Deadpool still retains his healing factor, Punisher killed him 34 times (last one appeared to be effective, though). It´s really confusing, because if Hulk did have his healing factor Frank would have had to work a lot more to kill him than just an adamantium arrow... but it appears not, Hulk still had the scars of Wolverine´s claws from when they fought, so , no healing factor whatsoever, but Deadpool still had his´. My brain hurts...
I recall Punisher stabbing red hulk in the chest with a normal combat knife. Now assuming Red hulk and green hulk have similar durability I could see Frank putting a bullet through hulk brains fairly easily. maybe through the eye socket if the skull is too hard. Then Frank might have like an acid or something within the bullet that might be able to kill him.
I remember there was What if the Punisher killed the Marvel Universe, where he shot Hulk with these nano-thingies that reverted him back to Banner. Then he either shot him or blew him up, I can't remember. There was a lot of shooting and blowing up. Of course, it was a what if thing, but it does sound feasible. I think I remember Iron Man making some nano-things that were supposed to do that, but somebody sabotaged them, so when they tried to use it in WWH, it didn't work.
The impression I get from the Punisher is that he becomes very plot-device dependent when going up against powerful super beings, and seems to suddenly come into possession of outrageous weapons and gadgets whenever he needs them. Also these same beings are often rewritten to allow the Punisher his victory. The scan with the Hulk above is a perfect example. Causing the hulk to bleed and actually feel pain never causes him to revert to Banner in any other comic. It makes him more powerful and causes him to heal faster. Yes the C4 explosion would have hurt him, but in any other comic he would have gotten pissed, healed, and gone on an even more violent rampage. Punisher only would have made the situation worse.
WW Hulk is too much for the Punisher. Even Grey Hulk should be too much for him.
Punisher works best when he's a "real" character - when you mix him with the more fantastical elements of the Marvel Universe, he tends to become Batman-level in terms of prep...which takes away from the character.
No it would probably slightly slow him down though.WWH during the arc got slashed in the eye by X-23 and fought wolverine with little trouble.the arrow would get pulled out and he would move on to stomp Punisher
@jeepeh: Those scans are BS... Just sayin' :P
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