#1 Posted by jashro44 (19199 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher

VS

Daredevil

Round 1

  • Morals are on
  • Hand to hand
  • Win by death/KO/incapacitation
  • Random encounter
  • Both begin visible
  • Begin 5 feat apart
  • Fight takes place here:

Round 2

  • Morals are off
  • Punisher has a sub machine gun (5 clips), twin pistols (20 clips), a sniper rifle (1 round), a Kevlar vest, and a knife
  • Daredevil has his billy club
  • Win by death/KO/incapacitation
  • Random encounter
  • Both begin visible
  • Start on opposite ends
  • fight takes place here:

Round 3

  • Punisher has morals off and daredevil has morals on
  • Punisher has a sub machine gun (10 clips), twin pistols (20 clips), a Kevlar vest, and a knife
  • Daredevil has his billy club
  • Win by death/KO/incapacitation
  • Punisher has 8 hours of prep
  • They don't begin visible however they know there is a dangerous opponent in the area

Who wins and why?

*I realize this has been done before but I think this scenario is different*

#2 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2774 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil FTW,,all rounds..he's bested punisher before,,he deflects bullets with ease,possesses superior h2h skills,agility,senses,and stealth which will bring him an easy win in the third round

#3 Posted by nickzambuto (12679 posts) - - Show Bio

DD round 1 for sure. Morals on Frank will get a few hits in but he can't hope to win.

Round 2 is a bit iffy. Daredevil has cleared nearly 20 feet in about 2 seconds, so I wouldn't say getting into cover quickly is too much for him. But even if he does get some protection, he's pretty much pinned. Punisher might win here do to having the initial advantage and a tactical brain.

Daredevil most likely in round 3, stealth radar sense, and agility should allow him to get the drop on Punisher, as great as he is with prep.

#4 Posted by Pokeysteve (7919 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil destroys him in the first round.

Punisher has a chance at round two because of the vest and the amount of ammo he's packing. Any one have a scan of Matt dodging sniper fire?

Punisher has round three. He's beaten Daredevil with prep before and can do it again.

#5 Posted by jashro44 (19199 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

Daredevil destroys him in the first round.

Punisher has a chance at round two because of the vest and the amount of ammo he's packing. Any one have a scan of Matt dodging sniper fire?

Punisher has round three. He's beaten Daredevil with prep before and can do it again.

This is all I got.

#6 Posted by VeganDiet (945 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1-Daredevil

Round 2-Close, but probably Punisher

Round 3- Definitely Punisher

#7 Posted by Pokeysteve (7919 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@Pokeysteve said:

Daredevil destroys him in the first round.

Punisher has a chance at round two because of the vest and the amount of ammo he's packing. Any one have a scan of Matt dodging sniper fire?

Punisher has round three. He's beaten Daredevil with prep before and can do it again.

This is all I got.

Nice but inconclusive. It does prove Matt will probably hear Castle and sense the weapon. With his senses he should be aware of a fire arm and maybe even the shot. Bullet dodging from him seems a little sketchy to me. He shouldn't be able to dodge the shot. Especially depending on the rifle. Still not sure though. That kind of decides that round for me.

#8 Edited by Bane_of_sith (2774 posts) - - Show Bio

With his batons he deflects bullets with ease all the time,,in fact he does it so well he can deflect them back at the person who fired them, I can't post scans but anyone who has read a daredevil comic should know this,,,he has even saved Spider-Man from a sniper before. DD wins every round especially the third,,punisher won't even know what hit him,,daredevil is a master of stealth trained by the chaste and former leader of the hand,,he's one of the stealthiest characters in marvel

#9 Posted by nickzambuto (12679 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

@jashro44 said:

@Pokeysteve said:

Daredevil destroys him in the first round.

Punisher has a chance at round two because of the vest and the amount of ammo he's packing. Any one have a scan of Matt dodging sniper fire?

Punisher has round three. He's beaten Daredevil with prep before and can do it again.

This is all I got.

Nice but inconclusive. It does prove Matt will probably hear Castle and sense the weapon. With his senses he should be aware of a fire arm and maybe even the shot. Bullet dodging from him seems a little sketchy to me. He shouldn't be able to dodge the shot. Especially depending on the rifle. Still not sure though. That kind of decides that round for me.

Punisher's marksman skill won't make the bullet go faster. He's capable of tagging guys like Spider-Man because he's a strategist, predicting their movements and timing his shots just right to trap them. Daredevil's already dodged sniper fire; he can do it again.

#10 Posted by Pokeysteve (7919 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Different rifles fire at different speeds though. It has nothing to do with skill. In that scan it doesn't explain how he knew it was headed for him. He has no superhuman abilities outside of his senses. There's no reason he should be able to dodge gunfire from close range. Do you know what I mean? Peter's Spider-Sense alerts him and he moves pretty much before the shot is fired. Matt doesn't have the speed to move after the shot. He'll know there's a gun but couldn't possibly know where the shot is going.

#11 Posted by nickzambuto (12679 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

@nickzambuto: Different rifles fire at different speeds though. It has nothing to do with skill. In that scan it doesn't explain how he knew it was headed for him. He has no superhuman abilities outside of his senses. There's no reason he should be able to dodge gunfire from close range. Do you know what I mean? Peter's Spider-Sense alerts him and he moves pretty much before the shot is fired. Matt doesn't have the speed to move after the shot. He'll know there's a gun but couldn't possibly know where the shot is going.

His radar sense has got that covered.

#12 Posted by Vance Astro (91068 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pokeysteve said:

 In that scan it doesn't explain how he knew it was headed for him. 

Yes it does.
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#13 Posted by Pokeysteve (7919 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Maybe if I read Daredevil it would make sense.

@Vance Astro said:

@Pokeysteve said:

In that scan it doesn't explain how he knew it was headed for him.

Yes it does.

No it doesn't. He hears the shot but there are more people in the room.

#14 Posted by FLCL1 (9580 posts) - - Show Bio

dare@VeganDiet said:

Round 1-Daredevil

Round 2-Close, but probably Punisher

Round 3- Definitely Punisher

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#15 Posted by ComicKID777 (287 posts) - - Show Bio

DD wins every round but maybe no the last do to morals being on for him an off for punisher. DD has him beat pretty much everywhere an his sense make punishers gun work at best average which is were punisher has his best chance.

#16 Posted by jashro44 (19199 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto:

Punisher's marksman skill won't make the bullet go faster. He's capable of tagging guys like Spider-Man because he's a strategist, predicting their movements and timing his shots just right to trap them. Daredevil's already dodged sniper fire; he can do it again.

Its possible he can do the same thing to daredevil....Its just a matter if it would happen for a majority.

@Pokeysteve said:

@nickzambuto: Different rifles fire at different speeds though. It has nothing to do with skill. In that scan it doesn't explain how he knew it was headed for him. He has no superhuman abilities outside of his senses. There's no reason he should be able to dodge gunfire from close range. Do you know what I mean? Peter's Spider-Sense alerts him and he moves pretty much before the shot is fired. Matt doesn't have the speed to move after the shot. He'll know there's a gun but couldn't possibly know where the shot is going.

His radar sense allows him to sense the trajectory of bullets IIRC.

#17 Posted by Vance Astro (91068 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pokeysteve said:

No it doesn't. He hears the shot but there are more people in the room.

Are you joking?
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#18 Posted by Vance Astro (91068 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pokeysteve said:

Punisher has round three. He's beaten Daredevil with prep before and can do it again.

I've seen alot of their fights. I don't recall the Punisher ever actually winning. With or without prep. You have scans? Details? Issue#? Story Arc?
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#19 Posted by Pokeysteve (7919 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: I'll take your word for it.

@Vance Astro said:

@Pokeysteve said:

No it doesn't. He hears the shot but there are more people in the room.

Are you joking?

No......you can just explain it to me instead of being condescending.

I've seen alot of their fights. I don't recall the Punisher ever actually winning. With or without prep. You have scans? Details? Issue#? Story Arc?

Ennis' Marvel Knights series. The last arc I think it was. He brings down Spidey, Logan and Matt with prep. And Welcome Back, Frank before that. That was more legit. The Marvel Knights series was kind of over the top. In WBF he does it with ultrasonics. Says even with ear plugs in, he feels like puking and can only imagine what it does to Daredevil's senses. I can find the exact issues from Marvel Knights if you'd like. Just let me know.

#20 Posted by Vance Astro (91068 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pokeysteve said:

No......you can just explain it to me instead of being condescending.

How am I being condescending by asking you a question? It's hard to understand tone over the internet, I was making sure you weren't making a joke I didn't get before I responded because I thought it was common knowledge how radar sense works. On that note, jashro44 answered the question. If Daredevil hears,or smells something, he can tell exactly where it's coming from. He can't see, that's how he knows where anything is. There's another incident involving a sniper (I believe it was during Brubaker's run) where Daredevil detected a shooter, (I think) via smell and was able to locate the shooter and get out of the way.
 
@Pokeysteve said:

Ennis' Marvel Knights series. The last arc I think it was. He brings down Spidey, Logan and Matt with prep. And Welcome Back, Frank before that. That was more legit. The Marvel Knights series was kind of over the top. In WBF he does it with ultrasonics. Says even with ear plugs in, he feels like puking and can only imagine what it does to Daredevil's senses. I can find the exact issues from Marvel Knights if you'd like. Just let me know.

That book was all over the place. Ennis' doesn't seem to know anything about any character but the Punisher.  I don't know what Welcome Back Frank is, but I don't think Punisher has the resources to get a sonic weapon as this current time.
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#21 Posted by jwalser3 (4796 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. DareDevil, better H2H
  2. Punisher, packing a lot of firepower.
  3. DareDevil, IMO he could use stealth to his advantage.
#22 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bane_of_sith said:

Daredevil FTW,,all rounds..he's bested punisher before,,he deflects bullets with ease,possesses superior h2h skills,agility,senses,and stealth which will bring him an easy win in the third round
#23 Posted by Pokeysteve (7919 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@Pokeysteve said:

No......you can just explain it to me instead of being condescending.

How am I being condescending by asking you a question? It's hard to understand tone over the internet, I was making sure you weren't making a joke I didn't get before I responded because I thought it was common knowledge how radar sense works. On that note, jashro44 answered the question. If Daredevil hears,or smells something, he can tell exactly where it's coming from. He can't see, that's how he knows where anything is. There's another incident involving a sniper (I believe it was during Brubaker's run) where Daredevil detected a shooter, (I think) via smell and was able to locate the shooter and get out of the way.

@Pokeysteve said:

Ennis' Marvel Knights series. The last arc I think it was. He brings down Spidey, Logan and Matt with prep. And Welcome Back, Frank before that. That was more legit. The Marvel Knights series was kind of over the top. In WBF he does it with ultrasonics. Says even with ear plugs in, he feels like puking and can only imagine what it does to Daredevil's senses. I can find the exact issues from Marvel Knights if you'd like. Just let me know.

That book was all over the place. Ennis' doesn't seem to know anything about any character but the Punisher. I don't know what Welcome Back Frank is, but I don't think Punisher has the resources to get a sonic weapon as this current time.

It was probably the tone. I have trouble with that through type also. I don't read a lot of Daredevil. I don't like him. Not 100% on how his senses work. I'm having trouble with him pinpointing a bullets trajectory. His sense make it possible but his lack any sort of superspeed make it impossible.

Marvel Knights was.....out there. Here's a scan from WBF. Sonics shouldn't be too hard to come by.

#24 Posted by drixaeterna (30 posts) - - Show Bio

@FLCL1 said:

dare@VeganDiet said:

Round 1-Daredevil

Round 2-Close, but probably Punisher

Round 3- Definitely Punisher

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that...and round 2 would be really close...

#25 Posted by Rick_Grayson (727 posts) - - Show Bio
@VeganDiet said:

Round 1-Daredevil

Round 2-Close, but probably Punisher

Round 3- Definitely Punisher

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#26 Posted by Bo88gdan (4393 posts) - - Show Bio

DD probably all rounds

#27 Posted by cmyers1980 (260 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

Daredevil destroys him in the first round.

Punisher has a chance at round two because of the vest and the amount of ammo he's packing. Any one have a scan of Matt dodging sniper fire?

Punisher has round three. He's beaten Daredevil with prep before and can do it again.

#28 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@VeganDiet said:

Round 1-Daredevil

Round 2-Close, but probably Punisher

Round 3- Definitely Punisher

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