@saren: This -
@senglord said:
@dogsoldier88: there is no rational way that Batman using real world level gear can take the punishment Frank can dish out. Unfortunately for Punisher fans, Batman is using gear much better than anything made in the real world. His armor can survive explosions that can blast three meter wide holes in white marble, with a bomb detonated in his own hands. His cape is bullet resistant to the point that it can take clips from a gang of monsters.
His cowl took repeat shots from assault rifles fired by Gotham Swat at point blank range. And this was during zero year.
Batman has even deflected bullets with his gauntlets and reacted to gunfire so fast that it would be physically impossible for the human brain to send signals fast enough.
He has dodged sniper fire from behind. The agility feats actually do go on, they just do not get any faster than the no look dodge of a bullet described as moving 1200 meters per second on panel.
As this is peak version of current character, Batman has the stats to win this. He can take the grenades and rockets. And he can dodge and react to projectiles fired well beyond 300 mph.
Batman will go around and use stealth, but he will still win.
-is a rational answer. This is an answer that I can even agree with, even though I'm arguing for the other guy. To @senglord, I would say that balance those feats with the plenty of showings for Bats where he gets staggered by punches and kicks, and the fact that he exposes half his face with his cowl. I'm not a Bat-fan, but if you can post a scan of Bat tanking a shot from an RPG, then I'll rest my case. The SWAT example is interesting, but SWAT teams don't normally use Baretts (BMG 50's), and not when engaging mid/close range.
And I know the forum rules @saren, that's why I split it 5/10, because both characters use their environment and tactical planning as advantages over their opponents. But, in light of @senglord's post, I'll go as far as 7/10 for Batman. Batman, as I said earlier, has too many resources for a BlackOps vet, using real-world gear and training, to overcome.
And yes, my partial birth comment was over the top. Sorry.
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