#201 Posted by Kentaxx (2350 posts) - - Show Bio

Castle has 2 / 10 chance of winning at the very best
Not only can Bats avoid the majority of Punjishers offense, but hes a stealth master, he could easily get
close to Frank and disarm him of all of his weapons and gear

Not to mention Flash bangs and smoke bombs to dim his vision, their are so many possiblities for Bats
While Franks only hope is to get off a lucky shot

#202 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio

I still say even odds if the terrain favors him. A lucky shot is also hardly Punisher's only hope, as I've already mentioned.

#203 Posted by Kentaxx (2350 posts) - - Show Bio

The only way the terrain would favor him is if it was a wide open area with no cover
Like a wide open field
In a place with alot of structure and places to hide and take cover, Bats is going to win this 9/10 times

#204 Posted by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
Kentaxx said:
"The only way the terrain would favor him is if it was a wide open area with no cover
Like a wide open field
In a place with alot of structure and places to hide and take cover, Bats is going to win this 9/10 times"
true inviorment does count aswell i guess.
#205 Posted by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
Kentaxx said:
"The only way the terrain would favor him is if it was a wide open area with no cover
Like a wide open field
In a place with alot of structure and places to hide and take cover, Bats is going to win this 9/10 times"
yea im gonna agree and say if its in gotham batman wins 9/10 if its in a feild or a place with no cover punisher wins 6/10 if its in a jungle or woods punisher wins 9/10
#206 Posted by Kentaxx (2350 posts) - - Show Bio

Gotham Batman wins 10/10
Open Area Batman wins 6/10
Woods of Jungle Batman wins 8/10

Frank has minimal chance of winning no matter where he is

Now let this thread die please

#207 Posted by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
Kentaxx said:
"Gotham Batman wins 10/10
Open Area Batman wins 6/10
Woods of Jungle Batman wins 8/10

Frank has minimal chance of winning no matter where he is

Now let this thread die please "
no problemo but your still arguing with korg and you havnt really put any valid reasons and the jungle no but your right i'll let it die i guess what other debates are you doin anyway?
#208 Posted by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
Kentaxx said:
"Gotham Batman wins 10/10
Open Area Batman wins 6/10
Woods of Jungle Batman wins 8/10

Frank has minimal chance of winning no matter where he is

Now let this thread die please "
Gotham batman wins 11/10
Open area batman wins 5/10
Jungle/woods Punisher wins 10/10

bayman sucks in jungle areas the jungle is franks home away from home batman would have no chance their no amount of exsplosives or anything batman would have in that situation would help him.

let this thread die? it was until you came out of no where.
#209 Posted by Kentaxx (2350 posts) - - Show Bio

Enough of your crap
Gotham batman wins
Open area Batman wins
Jungle Batman still wins

Frank is better in a jungle? Why? Because he served in Nam? Last I checked Jungles still had plenty of
cover and places to hide and places to lay traps, Batman is much much smarter then Frank is
He can easily ambush him

In fact in a Jungle setting Frank would have even less chance of winning, their are so many angles
that Batman can jump him and so many possibilities for Batman to win

Frank only chance of winning is if he gets a lucky shot in period

#210 Posted by Tradog (1768 posts) - - Show Bio
Kentaxx said:
"Enough of your crap
Gotham batman wins
Open area Batman wins
Jungle Batman still wins

Frank is better in a jungle? Why? Because he served in Nam? Last I checked Jungles still had plenty of
cover and places to hide and places to lay traps, Batman is much much smarter then Frank is
He can easily ambush him

In fact in a Jungle setting Frank would have even less chance of winning, their are so many angles
that Batman can jump him and so many possibilities for Batman to win

Frank only chance of winning is if he gets a lucky shot in period "
my crap huh? you must be one big fanboy
gothan yea batman wins as i said
open area batman wins half the time
jungle punisher wins batman has never fought in their and i beleav if or when he did he got his butt kicked

Frank is better in the jungle because thats his specialty place punisher has been up agaist ambushes from mutipul people at once and that were camofluaged and stilll won so what can batman do punisher knows the forest and ways to lure out his opponents he can turn the forest into a weapon he turn rykers island into a nuclear exsplosion and batman can't survive that
yea their are many possibilities for batman to lose btw why does batman win in gotham because he played superhero their?
batman's only chance of winning is being in gotham or bringing a giant robot suit like with alot of his enemies period plus batman has died alreasdy so yea now let this thread die will you? you dont even use facts you just state who you think will win even on that wildcat vs daredevil.
#211 Posted by omniproud (39 posts) - - Show Bio

If they ever collide it would be very sure that punisher would kill every batman villain including joker. Man would that be an epic,violent,gore,cold hearted murders. Any batman who is extremely intelligent would pwn punisher. he kicks his ass with no prep at all even if he didn't had his suit on or any weapons
#212 Posted by Radiante (327 posts) - - Show Bio

No comparison. 
Castle comparised to Batman is a dabbler. Castle is a strong fighter, but Batman is a perfect fighter. Castle is a rough fighter comparised to Batman.   
And this is not an offense for Punisher: Batman would defeat people with super powers, like Captain America, Spiderman and more than them... And, with prep, Batman can pull down ANY superhero, any.
 
#213 Posted by Radiante (327 posts) - - Show Bio
@omniproud said:

"If they ever collide it would be very sure that punisher would kill every batman villain including joker. Man would that be an epic,violent,gore,cold hearted murders. Any batman who is extremely intelligent would pwn punisher. he kicks his ass with no prep at all even if he didn't had his suit on or any weapons "


I would not be so sure of this. I see hard for Punisher just to find out where Ras'al Ghul is, or to fight Bane... 
And never, never underestimate the Joker... That could be a lethal choice .
#214 Posted by why so serious (1388 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman should win here.

#215 Posted by jojjimbo (2472 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Batman wins...in a tough and long fight.

#216 Posted by MrNekro (60 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't read through this entire thread and it's probably been mentioned before, but I think morals (or lack thereof) would play a large part in this fight.  So, I'd give it to the Punisher.

#217 Posted by Macest128 (806 posts) - - Show Bio
#218 Posted by ComicStooge (13407 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman FTW. 
 
Caste only hope is to keep Wayne at range and pray he somehow manages to tag him.

#219 Posted by superstay (10165 posts) - - Show Bio

batman

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#220 Posted by Kinasin_ (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman no comp involved.

#221 Posted by JJ62 (1299 posts) - - Show Bio

Frank is the type of guy that Bats takes down all the time. I say theyre equal in coolness and quality of the character. But Batman's Kevlar suit is bulletproof, and h2h Batman takes it easy. Frank's h2h skills I'd place up to par with say Hawkeye or Moon Knight, but not even close to Batman.

Batman wins 10/10

Franks only chance is to pull off a shot to the eye or something like that, even then Bats has shown proficiency dodging gunfire.

#222 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

batman without much trouble

#225 Posted by Ilikethor (6 posts) - - Show Bio

I think punisher would take this being x military he could easily get ahold of armor piercing ammo which would shred batmans armor not even class 4 plate armor will stop .

#226 Edited by russellmania77 (15676 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman nuff said

#228 Edited by Ilikethor (6 posts) - - Show Bio
#229 Posted by adhd_assassin (532 posts) - - Show Bio

Seeing as castle if a marine, he will cheat. Im not saying that he would winn every time. Im just saying that because hes a marine, he will go to any length to win, giving him a 50/50 shot.

#230 Posted by adhd_assassin (532 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, ive seen several people state that batmans armor is kevlar, so i have to assume thats true. Im sure castle carrys some tefflon bullets with him spacifically for guys like batman armored in kevlar.

#231 Edited by Sufferthorn (1738 posts) - - Show Bio

Apparently this thread is not dying after 5 years,

Battle rules say we assume a random encounter with standard gear 20 feet apart with morals on.

I believe Punisher has a decent chance of winning under such circumstances with his armament, Batman's toys are far more sophisticated I acknowledge that, but to me, that doesn't negate their chance in a random encounter.

Punisher is also far more accurate, stronger and faster than most opponents Batman faces. He also won't hold back against Batman or play with him the way some of his villains like to do.(As he isn't a totally psyched serial killer...contrary to some opinions)

I will take the side of Punisher here, just for the sake of argument.

#232 Edited by dondave (38558 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman ftw

#233 Edited by Sufferthorn (1738 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

Batman ftw

Then let's do this. Start the debate good sir.

#234 Posted by patrat18 (10188 posts) - - Show Bio
#235 Posted by God_Spawn (38111 posts) - - Show Bio

Seeing as castle if a marine, he will cheat. Im not saying that he would winn every time. Im just saying that because hes a marine, he will go to any length to win, giving him a 50/50 shot.

The point of a character cheating against a hero never works out properly. By that logic, villains should always win.

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#236 Edited by Sufferthorn (1738 posts) - - Show Bio
#237 Posted by camera_guy (233 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman takes this

#238 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12346 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, who even has a legit argument for Frank anymore? I thought that when those ran out the thread would either die or get locked....guess not. Batman wins.

#239 Posted by patrat18 (10188 posts) - - Show Bio
#240 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (6764 posts) - - Show Bio

In a random encounter Punisher takes this.

#241 Posted by adhd_assassin (532 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: batman cheating is what wins most of his fights. Bats taking sonics against a villain whos weakness is sonics is the same as punisher riddling bats with teflon rounds. Winner punisher

#242 Posted by DeathSamurai (537 posts) - - Show Bio

punisher!!!!!!

#243 Posted by TimothySupermanForsyth (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman takes I'd say about 70 or 65 percent. One depending on the writer obviously I've seen more random stuff happen in comics Batman is the all around better fighter in every way but one bringing lethal weapons into a fight against someone who refuses to kill someone (batman has accidentally killed people in comics and movies, maybe not main story line like batman returns where he snaps jokers neck and he's dieing and joker just finishes it but Batman attempts not to kill even holding back a lot of times like superman and other heroes). that being said every comic i've read with punisher he usually holds nothing back, A shitty fighter can knock out a champion fighter with the right punch even if it happens 1/100 times he still beat him once.

Anyway hand to hand Batman takes being in the top ten in hand to hand combatants and strategists in the DC universe plus when DC states like what is it Batman can Bench like 650 to 1000 pounds based on the comic and He's superior to the average man in every way. I have to give it to batman Granted Daken being a great fighter in Marvel if he was your normal joe blow or had a minor healing factor Frank would of wiped the floor with him instead he died due to daken skill and tenacity healing factor sharp ass claws, etc. (later to be brought back by marvel of course heroes can't stay dead then again comic sales would plummet.) and having fought other skilled fighters, and being pretty much your non enhanced super soldier ( from what I know and have read which is quite a bit, then again steroids are hell of drugs ;) lol) But I just don't see him taking out someone who has been fighting SUPER villains like solumn grundy or anyone else the JLA, Super Friends, ETC has faced. That being said I've seen batman lose to prenty of less than mediocre villains but beat tons of super powered motherfuckers like white martians, sinestro, Etc.

I'll sadly cause I love a lot of batman's gadgets or how he usually just has random kryptonite on him a lot have to give arsenal to The Punisher because yes A weapon is just as good as it's user and styles fit different people well. But When most your weapons aren't lethal (batman does have bombs batarangs and other shit so he does have some) and you refuse to kill (probaly won't use bomb in lethal matter but doesn't mean accidents can't happen) I just have to give it to punisher that being said I want a freaking utility belt. Batman does have a lot of surprises that I'm sure we would see and just be like WTF just happened while Castles are usually straight forward but like I said lethal compared to non lethal, automatic weapons, shit that goes boom makes a difference

Combat intelligence Batman like I said earlier prob the best strategist in DC has contingency for anything even the justice league or has a good idea of there weakness as most people say give Batman prep he will woop most peoples ass, Minus I'd say deathstroke .....90 percent brain power is also one hell of a drug lol jk and a few others bu I'd even say his strategies and his ability to improvise even outclasses reed Richards and the fantastic four, obviously the entire justice league and doctor doom. that being said I've seen him get his ass kicked by mediocre villains(to come back and win of course later but still a lose is a lose). Once again don't get me wrong Frak castle is and amazing prepper and has amazing improvising skills (does that A LOT example of how an author can make a difference in a comic and possibly his prep skills what's that comic called punisher kills marvel? (YES ONE OF THOSE SHITTY THINGS AGAIN might as well make a thor or sentry killa marvel would make a shit ton more sense lol). Plus his United States military training to the max literally to the max and constant BATTLE FIELD experience (which does make a difference trust me) He's a formidable opponent he'''''sssssss just not on the level of mister Wayne so like I said Batman takes it.

Like I said I believe Batman wins 70 to 65 for all the reasons I said so 65/100 or 70/100 because ten is a shitty number to put in percentages cause you can flip a coin 10 times and possibly get heads 7 times but it's harder to flip a coin 100 times and get it 70 times percentages start kicking in better after a while. Like I said though with lethal weapons and Batman's ability to drop fights he can pull out a few win's. (could of said a lot more but shit literally takes effort fuck I'm tired from typing literally). But also remember styles make fights so the punisher if it happened might just have to best style to suit batman. You never know.

#244 Posted by dondave (38558 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman every time

#245 Posted by adhd_assassin (532 posts) - - Show Bio

punisher riddles bats with teflon coated bullets. punisher wins.

#246 Posted by TheBournePoster (1329 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman handles Punisher pretty easily.

#247 Edited by adhd_assassin (532 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebourneposter: how would bats stop teflon coated bullets? he hears kevlar armor, right?

#248 Posted by TheBournePoster (1329 posts) - - Show Bio

@adhd_assassin: Kind of. But Batman isn't going to be relying on armor.

Batman has far superior reflexes to Castle. Frank has never dodged bullets, or anything like that. That means Batman has plenty of time to disarm Punisher with a batarang, throw down flashbangs or gas, ect. If it is in an environment with lots of cover, none of this is even necessary. Batman sneaks up on him and disarms him. At close range, Batman probably kills him by accident (hyperbole) Frank won't win this fight.

#249 Edited by adhd_assassin (532 posts) - - Show Bio

@thebourneposter: many of those examples come from is batman sneaks up on him. Plus i see a lot of the batarang disarmings as pis. why doesnt someone with better reflexes like deathstroke (whose been disarmed multiple times with the little things) just shoot it down? because they're little pis machines put in comics simpily to put guys like punisher on batmans level

I'll try to post some scans if i can find them. could you post scans of bats dodging bullets from compitant opponents that know that they are shooting to kill bats?

#250 Edited by TheBournePoster (1329 posts) - - Show Bio

@adhd_assassin: Sure.

This one is interesting. Batman says that he gets lucky, but he did dodge the first

twelve shots while hanging from a cable, severely injured.

I think Castle's best reflex feat is blocking Cap's shield.