"well lets think batman was a martial artis punisher was a cammander war vet"
Batman is a martial arts master and has mastered nearly all forms of martial arts. He even beat Karate Kid when he fought dirty. Punisher has standard military training plus a little training from Captain America. Hardly worth comparing the two.
"punisher took on spiderman"
With guns. Which was bullsh#t in itself because Spider-Man regularly dodges automatic gunfire, often at point blank yet gets nailed by a pistol shot a few dozen feet away.
"batman needs to use gadgets to win agaist alot of people"
Batman fights most of his h2h opponents with h2h. Pick up a Batman comic at least once. Punisher almost never goes anywhere without his guns, grenades, and knives.
"and batman had his back broke by Bain who was just a guy on steroids basicly"
This is just stupid. Batman lost to Bane after going weeks without sleep and constant fighting. There was nothing left in Batman. Punisher would not even had made it to the fight with Bane. He would have died after the first week of fighting for sure.
"punisher has broken skulls with his fist"
Comic or movie? I have never read him do that in any Punisher comic I ever had picked up. Never once have I read him do that with one hit. I need a reference for that.
"punisher has alot more exsperiance than batman"
No. Punisher would get murdered by some of the villains Batman has fought. Deathstroke, Shiva, Ra's, etc. Punisher often kills his opponents so there is not much experience that could be had from people you fight only once.
"more cut throat"
No. Punisher kills and Batman does not. Batman still gets very brutal. He always does what he needs to do to win.
"and while batman lost his parents Frank lost his family so punisher has more to fight and live for"
This is one of the silliest reasons I have ever heard for Punisher winning anything.
"punisher has a much higher pain tolerance than batman he can get shot and just pull the bullet out like nothing"
Batman has been shot, had ribs and legs broken, and had been drugged and still kicked some @$$.
"batman gets punched by Havey Dent and gets knocked out"
"as for who scarier punisher takes that hands down"
No he does not. Punisher is not even taken seriously in the entire Marvel U. It would be understandable if he was supposed to be a joke character like Deadpool.
"punisher has fought ninjas befor wher so stealth isnt batmans strong point."
I am assuming you are joking here. Why is stealth not Batman's strong point just because Punisher has fought ninjas in the past? He has never fought Batman before. Batman is on a whole other level than a standard ninja.
"So in the end punisher wins."
Wrong. Actually, it is surprising how everything you posted was wrong. What I find even more funny is that I do not even consider myself a Batman specialist here on the vine. If one of them do take an interest in this thread, there will be nothing left of Punisher's reputation here.