Proteus vs. Gladiator vs. Apocalypse - Free For All

Everyone gets 5 hours prep time.  Battle takes places on the moon.  No morals or rules.  Who wins?

Gladiator is a very powerful psionic entitiy with superhuman willpower. I doubt that proteus will be able to possess him at all or affect kallark with any of his psionic powers.

@venomoushatred1001 said:

1. Proteus  2. Gladiator 3. Apocalypse

Gladiator would be first that would die. Apocalypse even without body still is alive.
 
@weaponmaster said:

Gladiator is a very powerful psionic entitiy with superhuman willpower. I doubt that proteus will be able to possess him at all or affect kallark with any of his psionic powers.

Psylocke is even more powerfull and she still couldn't defend herself from Proteus. IIRC he don't use telepathy, but more biological way of taking control of his enemy mind (acctually brain, but whatever).

1. Proteus    

 2. Apocalypse   

 3. Gladiator

That sounds about right to me :) 

Proteus defeated Classic Phoenix, even when she got the first shot in. That should put him in the Herald category at a minimum, except with an even more diverse range of abilities. Neither Gladiator nor Apocalypse should be much of an issue here.

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Gladiator is a very powerful psionic entitiy with superhuman willpower. I doubt that proteus will be able to possess him at all or affect kallark with any of his psionic powers.

He can kill Gladiator just by thinking about it.

                   

               

 
@weaponmaster said:

Gladiator is a very powerful psionic entitiy with superhuman willpower. I doubt that proteus will be able to possess him at all or affect kallark with any of his psionic powers.

Psylocke is even more powerfull and she still couldn't defend herself from Proteus. IIRC he don't use telepathy, but more biological way of taking control of his enemy mind (acctually brain, but whatever).

                   

               

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Gladiator is a very powerful psionic entitiy with superhuman willpower. I doubt that proteus will be able to possess him at all or affect kallark with any of his psionic powers.

He can kill Gladiator just by thinking about it.

                   

               

No he can't. Gladiators psionic strength is much too vast for that.

                   

               

Yes he can. Proteus is immune to most psionic attacks and his psionic strength is far greater. That's his ability; he exudes massive amounts of psionic energy that allow him to recreate reality as he pleases. IIRC, he beat down Classic Phoenix without too many problems. Gladiator can't touch Proteus without getting possessed, and from there Proteus can just ride him until the flesh is hanging off his skeleton.

                   

               

                   

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Gladiator is a very powerful psionic entitiy with superhuman willpower. I doubt that proteus will be able to possess him at all or affect kallark with any of his psionic powers.

He can kill Gladiator just by thinking about it.

                   

               

No he can't. Gladiators psionic strength is much too vast for that.

                   

               

Yes he can. Proteus is immune to most psionic attacks and his psionic strength is far greater. That's his ability; he exudes massive amounts of psionic energy that allow him to recreate reality as he pleases. IIRC, he beat down Classic Phoenix without too many problems. Gladiator can't touch Proteus without getting possessed, and from there Proteus can just ride him until the flesh is hanging off his skeleton.

                   

               

You are not comprehending. Gladiator does not have psionic attacks per se rather his strength and invulnerability etc are generated by massive amounts of psionic energy. Classis phoenix (not dark phoenix) cannot generate anywhere near the psionic energy that Gladiator can which means Gladiators defense against psionic attacks is vastly superior to Phoenix.  Gladiator can easily touch Proteus and not be posessed as Gladiators psionic strength would prevent him from being taken over. Gladiator is much too powerful a psionic (not telepath; Psionic) to be possessed by Proteus.

                   

               

Proteus feeds on psionic energy. It's his schtick. Plus he's composed completely of psionic energy, so it's not like Gladiator can punch him or anything. He's never been too affected by a psionic attack and physical attacks are useless against him, so I don't see what Gladiator can do to harm him. No one has ever been able to offer the least bit of resistance to Proteus' possession, and given that Proteus can absorb Gladiator's psionic energy and weaken him, I doubt Gladiator will be able to resist Proteus getting into him either.  Also, as per the OP, there's 5 hours of prep, though Proteus doesn't need it. But in those five hours he can just jump into someone like Legion and use his powers to stop time and tear out pieces of Gladiator at his leisure.

                   

               

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@weaponmaster said:

Gladiator is a very powerful psionic entitiy with superhuman willpower. I doubt that proteus will be able to possess him at all or affect kallark with any of his psionic powers.

Psylocke is even more powerfull and she still couldn't defend herself from Proteus. IIRC he don't use telepathy, but more biological way of taking control of his enemy mind (acctually brain, but whatever).

                   

               

Psylocke is not more powerful psionically than Gladiator, they just ustilize their psionic strength for different effects. Gladaiator is much more powerful as far as psionic strenght than Psylocke.  Gladiator utillizes psionics, not telepathy. His powers are pretty much fueled by his immense psionic energy. You don't know as much as you think you do about Gladiator.

                   

               

Which doesn't matter, since he can't use it in TP fight. His best TP resistance feat that I know is blocking Rachel's illusion.

                   

               

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It may not "Matter' but it is one of many things that you did not know.  He won't use TP. His psionics will defend against Proteus' psionic attacks. As I stated before he will access earths database and learn that Proteus is vunlerable to Metal and defeat him the same way Colossus did via wearing metal armor.   Gladiator blocking Rachels illusions proves that he will have resistance to proteus' illusions and possession.

                   

               

1.They won't defend him, they never did against someone as powerfull as Proteus. And Proteus isn't even a normal telepath. 2.Iron doesn't work on Proteus anymore.

                   

               

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Gladiator is a very powerful psionic entitiy with superhuman willpower. I doubt that proteus will be able to possess him at all or affect kallark with any of his psionic powers.

He can kill Gladiator just by thinking about it.

                   

               

No he can't. Gladiators psionic strength is much too vast for that.

                   

               

Yes he can. Proteus is immune to most psionic attacks and his psionic strength is far greater. That's his ability; he exudes massive amounts of psionic energy that allow him to recreate reality as he pleases. IIRC, he beat down Classic Phoenix without too many problems. Gladiator can't touch Proteus without getting possessed, and from there Proteus can just ride him until the flesh is hanging off his skeleton.

                   

               

You are not comprehending. Gladiator does not have psionic attacks per se rather his strength and invulnerability etc are generated by massive amounts of psionic energy. Classis phoenix (not dark phoenix) cannot generate anywhere near the psionic energy that Gladiator can which means Gladiators defense against psionic attacks is vastly superior to Phoenix.  Gladiator can easily touch Proteus and not be posessed as Gladiators psionic strength would prevent him from being taken over. Gladiator is much too powerful a psionic (not telepath; Psionic) to be possessed by Proteus.

                   

               

Proteus feeds on psionic energy. It's his schtick. Plus he's composed completely of psionic energy, so it's not like Gladiator can punch him or anything. He's never been too affected by a psionic attack and physical attacks are useless against him, so I don't see what Gladiator can do to harm him. No one has ever been able to offer the least bit of resistance to Proteus' possession, and given that Proteus can absorb Gladiator's psionic energy and weaken him, I doubt Gladiator will be able to resist Proteus getting into him either.  Also, as per the OP, there's 5 hours of prep, though Proteus doesn't need it. But in those five hours he can just jump into someone like Legion and use his powers to stop time and tear out pieces of Gladiator at his leisure.

                   

               

No. Feeding on Psionic energy is not his "schtick". Illusion and possession are.  5 hour prep means that Gladiatior will be able to access earths database and discover Proteus' weakness to metals so gladiator need only wear a suit of armor and beat the stew out of Proteus just as Colossus did.   Proteus has never attempted to possess someone with Gladiators level of psionic power. Gladiators psionic might will shield him from anything proteus can do.  You keep using this legion "gambit". What's to stop Legion from stopping time and destroying Proteus? Besides Gladiator can defeat Legion as well. As soon as legion changes powers time will no longer be stopped and Gladiator will quickly dispatch legion.

                   

               

Do you know anything at all about Proteus? That's not his power. Those are just secondary abilities. In Necrosha he told Magneto, and I quote, "Possession isn't my power. It's just how I feed. My power is to shove my fist into the ribs of reality and tear out it's smoking heart." 
 
Proteus can warp metals now. He took on both Colossus and Magneto and pretty much beat them senseless.  
 
The personality that stops time is called Time Sink, and Legion has very limited control over him. Proteus can easily overpower Legion. And then he has access to all of Legion's powers. You doknow that Legion can use multiple powers at the same time now, right?

                   

               

@weaponmaster said:

Gladiator utillizes psionics, not telepathy. His powers are pretty much fueled by his immense psionic energy. You don't know as much as you think you do about Gladiator.

Exactly so, which means his psionic power also doesn't automatically translate into powerful TP or possession shielding anymore than it allows him to read minds. I'm sure Gladiator has a strong will, but I don't really recall seeing much that would indicate he could survive a full mental assault from someone like Xavier, let alone Proteus.

Of course, Proteus has other ways of fighting him anyway. It's not like possession is even his primary attack method, it's just what he used to need to do to prevent himself from burning out.

@weaponmaster said:

Classis phoenix (not dark phoenix) cannot generate anywhere near the psionic energy that Gladiator can which means Gladiators defense against psionic attacks is vastly superior to Phoenix.

First, I would like to hear the basis for this claim that Gladiator is a more powerful psionic than Classic Phoenix, seeing as she punked Firelord without much of a problem, a character who is generally in about the same power tier as Gladiator.

Secondly, your conclusion doesn't follow because, as you've already admitted, Gladiator's psionic abilities don't take the form of standard TP and the like, they go towards amping his physical attributes. Just because his power is psionic in nature doesn't mean he has massively powerful mental defenses.

@weaponmaster said:

No. Feeding on Psionic energy is not his "schtick". Illusion and possession are.

Actually, his primary mutant power is reality warping. Illusions are just something he can use his reality warping to accomplish, if he feels like it. Possession is more of a feeding mechanism.

5 hour prep means that Gladiatior will be able to access earths database and discover Proteus' weakness to metals so gladiator need only wear a suit of armor and beat the stew out of Proteus just as Colossus did.

Colossus beat a very weak and inexperienced Proteus. In his second appearance in X-Factor Annual 6, Proteus had lost his vulnerability to metal (as well as his need to possess hosts). I still haven't read Necrosha, so I'm unclear as to whether or not he regained this vulnerability later.

Proteus has never attempted to possess someone with Gladiators level of psionic power.

I'll admit, this is probably true.

Gladiators psionic might will shield him from anything proteus can do.

This is overly generous. Gladiator is tough but not invincible. Proteus, even with nearly zero experience with life or his own powers defeated Phoenix, a character at least somewhat above Herald level. Gladiator isn't that far up the cosmic hierarchy. He might be able to hold out for a little while, but there is no reason at all to believe he would be impervious to Proteus' abilities.

@weaponmaster said:

No. they are his primary abilities. What he told magneto was pure hyperbole.

For someone so quick to accuse others of being ignorant about the characters involved, you are completely mistaken about Proteus. Reality Warping has always been his primary mutant power; go check his first appearance in Uncanny X-Men 126-128. It's made abundantly clear that what he is doing is true reality warping. And he was only like 12 at the time, and had spent his whole life locked in a metal cell. In X-Factor Annual 6 he becomes even more powerful.

But at least it looks like we can all agree that Apocalypse loses.

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No. they are his primary abilities. What he told magneto was pure hyperbole.

Says who? Do you even know what you're talking about? Reality warping has been his primary ability since the day he was created. Have you even read the Muir Island saga? What exactly was hyperbole about what he said? The part where he said he could warp reality? Because he's been doing it for the past 20 years.

With what you stated though he cannot feed without possessing and he cannot possess Gladiator so he cannot just absorb psionic energy as you erroneously stated earlier.

It's not like he's permanently starving. And he's absorbed psionic energy with ease. He was caged in a cell with psionic energy generators during his youth so that he could feed on them and keep himself alive.

The metal warping was PIS. Gladiator is much more poweful than either Colossus or magneto.

Someone doesn't understand the meaning of PIS. What's PIS about it? Dozens of characters have overcome weaknesses. Proteus was one of them. And I know Gladiator is stronger than those two. I was simply trying to illustrate that he doesn't have the metal allergy anymore. It irritates him, but it's only a minor annoyance now.

So he has very limited control over it but he is going to defeat Gladiator with it? Right. Legion can only access one personality at a time. Do you know anything at all about legion? And Proteus would only have access to the personality that Legion was accessing at the time of the possession or he would have to possess each different persona individually to change powers.

Legion has limited control over him. Proteus is like Rogue. Once he takes over someone he can use their powers to their full potential. He's done it extensively, sometimes on multiple mutants at the same time.

Have you read anything with Legion in the past 5 years? I have scans of him using multiple powers at the same time. Hell, he has individual personalities like Styx that can use multiple powers at the same time. Seriously, read up on the characters before posting stuff.

My point was that psionic feeding wasn't his main ability. Illusion/ and possesion are. I read the original issues the day they were delivered to the comic shop.. You stated that Proteus could just drain Gladiator and then possess him. You were wrong and now are trying to cover it up.

"Possession isn't my power. It's just how I feed. My power is to shove my fist into the ribs of reality and tear out it's smoking heart." <---hyperbole, and it has nothing to do with reality warping. The quote is about psionic feeding and possession. You are becoming confused and forgetting what you are even referring to.

He never had a metal allergy. it actually disrupts his energy and can disperse him completely when he is in energy form. I see nothing there that shows that he can't be hurt by metal. He "warped" wolverines claws the same way in his first fight with the X-men but his "warping" was nothing more than localized mental illusions altering peoples perception of reality; he didn't actually bend wolverines claws which makes his metal warping PIS, but bullets and ultimately Colossus fist hurt him and dispersed him regardles of wolverines claws seemingly bending.

You short-change Legion against Proteus and then use examples of that would defeat proteus as reasons he would defeat Gladiator. Disingenuous at best.

Proteus has never possessed someone with multiple personalities each with different powers or powersets.. Legion cannot use any power he wants at will and you know it. It is quite random as to which persona surfaces.

@freefa11 Gladiator has indeed shown resistamce to mental powers which means he indeed does have resistance to psionics and classic phoenix has never been show to destroy a planet or lift 100,000+ TONS which clearly shows that Gladiators psionic strength is way abover hers.

With those things stated I declare that Gladiator wins with 5 hour prep and exit the thread.

Gladiator wins. Mulitple quotes biting Static shocks techniques won't change this.

@venomoushatred1001 said:

1. Proteus    

 2. Apocalypse   

 3. Gladiator

That sounds about right to me :) 

@CitizenBane said:

@TheGoldenOne said:

@Killemall said:

@venomoushatred1001 said:

1. Proteus

2. Apocalypse

3. Gladiator

That sounds about right to me :)

I'd actually rank Gladiator above Apocalypse.

I suppose that point is very arguable, stronger and faster is most definitely gladiator, but Apocalypse can alter his size do some crazy stuff (even then get defeated with ease, twice by magneto). I dont know man, for the time being i'll stick to the same lineup :) Proteus on the other hand shoudnt even be on the list . :)

Okay. To simply this, Proteus is only using HIS abilities and HIS body, not any other entity, unless it's Apoc or Glads in the battle. Same with Apoc because you could argue he could use his telepathy and mind control to control the likes of Legion or Jaspers.

I think you guys are WAY underestimating Apocalypse in this. He would be hard for Proteus to possess given his powerful telepathy and Celestial tech. His strength is easily Hulk level, and he's extremely durable. Yes, Proteus can warp reality, but Apoc's intelligence and tech may find a way to counter that. As powerful as he is, Proteus's power wouldn't do jack squat to a Celestial. Five hours prep for Apoc is a lot.

Being said, Proteus has proved to be even stronger than Professor X when it comes to brute telepathy force.

I think Glads is the weakest in this battle. It seems to me that Proteus would make him experience death like he did to Wolverine, and that would be enough to traumatize the hell out of Glads, effectively removing him from the battle by morale, and personally, I don't think Glads is on Apocalypse's level.

Proteus can't posses Kallark if he has unshakable full confidence its really as simple as that, although he will absolutely waste apoc, either way Gladiator crushes them both.

I think Proteus takes this, although it could be a very interesting match againts Apocalypse

@CitizenBane: Proteus can only warp what he sees in front of him. Why can't Glad speed blitz him to stay behind him the entire time? Apocalypse has proven he can teleport and/or phase and undoubtedly has intel on Proteus. Why can't Apoc just teleport behind him, touch him with his metal armor, and defeat him that way?

@CitizenBane: Because in that case, Apocalypse could make Legion one of his horsemen, and then we'd have Reed Richards and Legion fighting each other. Keep it simple. I do think Proteus wins, but I think he wins by his extremely powerful telepathy. Apocalypse is no slouch and his an iron will, but Proteus knocked Xavier out cold by mentally yelling at him. I think Nur's tech could stand up to his warping powers.

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@CitizenBane: Proteus can only warp what he sees in front of him. Why can't Glad speed blitz him to stay behind him the entire time? Apocalypse has proven he can teleport and/or phase and undoubtedly has intel on Proteus. Why can't Apoc just teleport behind him, touch him with his metal armor, and defeat him that way?

Says who? He's warped his entire surroundings before, even the thins behind him. IIRC, he once warped the whole of Edinburgh on a whim. And the metal thing doesn't work on Proteus anymore, he's warped metal as well as touched it.

"Proteus' reality warping ability is contingent upon line of sight: if he shifts his sight to another object and warps it, the previous object he was warping will return to normal." But I do agree with you that that's not entirely correct. It's strange Wikipedia would have that.

I agree about the Legion thing, but if we're playing that game, then why can't Apoc steal the Time Gem from Namor and trap Proteus and Glad in a time loop? Bam. Game over. Apoc wins. Remember, Apoc has the intel and knows damned well who Proteus is.

And what if Apoc turned Proteus into a horseman? Nobody really knows how the whole "horseman" thing actually works anyway, unless I missed a screen.