Protege became more powerful than the Living Tribunal, someone that Mandrakk wouldn't have a chance against. "
Than he lost to a celestial. "
If you believe Scathan is just a Celestial then you're wrong. "
If you believe that he's more than a celestial state it. "
LOL I love when people try to pull the LT card, then paint themselves in to a corner where they have to admit that a celestial is the second most powerful being in the universe. /they're screwed either way
Protege became more powerful than the Living Tribunal, someone that Mandrakk wouldn't have a chance against. "
Than he lost to a celestial. "
If you believe Scathan is just a Celestial then you're wrong. "
If you believe that he's more than a celestial state it. "
LOL I love when people try to pull the LT card, then paint themselves in to a corner where they have to admit that a celestial is the second most powerful being in the universe. /they're screwed either way "
How am I screwed? Protege was more powerful than LT.
Protege became more powerful than the Living Tribunal, someone that Mandrakk wouldn't have a chance against. "
Than he lost to a celestial. "
If you believe Scathan is just a Celestial then you're wrong. "
If you believe that he's more than a celestial state it. "
LOL I love when people try to pull the LT card, then paint themselves in to a corner where they have to admit that a celestial is the second most powerful being in the universe. /they're screwed either way "
How am I screwed? Protege was more powerful than LT. "
And a celestial put a muzzle on him. By extension, you're trying to claim that Scathan (a celestia) is more powerful then the LT. Which is silly. Also note how Protege was claiming he was going to be TOAA. And a celestial muzzle kept him in check. For someone with supposed omniscience, a little blinding by a celestial is going to stop him?
Protege became more powerful than the Living Tribunal, someone that Mandrakk wouldn't have a chance against. "
Than he lost to a celestial. "
If you believe Scathan is just a Celestial then you're wrong. "
If you believe that he's more than a celestial state it. "
LOL I love when people try to pull the LT card, then paint themselves in to a corner where they have to admit that a celestial is the second most powerful being in the universe. /they're screwed either way "
How am I screwed? Protege was more powerful than LT. "
And a celestial put a muzzle on him. By extension, you're trying to claim that Scathan (a celestia) is more powerful then the LT. Which is silly. Also note how Protege was claiming he was going to be TOAA. And a celestial muzzle kept him in check. For someone with supposed omniscience, a little blinding by a celestial is going to stop him? "
Scathan's power has absolutely nothing to do with the energy muzzle. Scathan just approves or disapproves - - and whatever it takes to defeat an entity is so. It's really all there is to it. Protege was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and he stomped all over LT, Eternity, HawkGod, and GOTG. He had all of their powers PLUS that of Mephisto and Beyonder. Scathan made his gesture of disapproval and then all of that power was subdued. In that arc Scathan was a beast.
Scathan had all the status and power to perform his duty, and it would seem that this power comes from above, like from TOAA. Scathan was no ordinary celestial. The Living Tribunal obviously respected Scathan enough to wait for him before proceeding:
"we may proceed once HE (Scathan) arrives" "Silence! The Approver's arrival is imminent" "Judgement is upon you both! To that end, HE (Scathan) shall bear witness!" "The Celestials' (Scathan) purpose, is to record and Approve of what transpires" Scathan being verbally pampered as the ultimate authority, Scathan ends the drama by simply approving:
Protege became more powerful than the Living Tribunal, someone that Mandrakk wouldn't have a chance against. "
Than he lost to a celestial. "
If you believe Scathan is just a Celestial then you're wrong. "
If you believe that he's more than a celestial state it. "
LOL I love when people try to pull the LT card, then paint themselves in to a corner where they have to admit that a celestial is the second most powerful being in the universe. /they're screwed either way "
How am I screwed? Protege was more powerful than LT. "
And a celestial put a muzzle on him. By extension, you're trying to claim that Scathan (a celestia) is more powerful then the LT. Which is silly. Also note how Protege was claiming he was going to be TOAA. And a celestial muzzle kept him in check. For someone with supposed omniscience, a little blinding by a celestial is going to stop him? "
Scathan's power has absolutely nothing to do with the energy muzzle. Scathan just approves or disapproves - - and whatever it takes to defeat an entity is so. It's really all there is to it. Protege was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and he stomped all over LT, Eternity, HawkGod, and GOTG. He had all of their powers PLUS that of Mephisto and Beyonder. Scathan made his gesture of disapproval and then all of that power was subdued. In that arc Scathan was a beast.
Scathan had all the status and power to perform his duty, and it would seem that this power comes from above, like from TOAA. Scathan was no ordinary celestial. The Living Tribunal obviously respected Scathan enough to wait for him before proceeding:
"we may proceed once HE (Scathan) arrives" "Silence! The Approver's arrival is imminent" "Judgement is upon you both! To that end, HE (Scathan) shall bear witness!" "The Celestials' (Scathan) purpose, is to record and Approve of what transpires" Scathan being verbally pampered as the ultimate authority, Scathan ends the drama by simply approving: "
I love how you've immediately bypassed all logical conclusions and jumped straight to "he was being empowered by TOAA" when there's no proof to back this statement. Simply your assumptions as to his level of power. Protege was making claims of being omnipotent, yet he was restrained by a celestial muzzle (clearly stated as such, and not some mystical god muzzle) and the LT who was drawing on power from the amulet of Agamotto. I just want to repeat that in all caps for dramatic effect. The LT, amping up to be able to stop and restrain Protege (the omnipotent who'd just 'stomped' the LT) with the AMULET OF AGAMOTTO. Yeah, because omnipotence ends when you have a blanket thrown over your head. If you actually buy that load of bollocks than you're sillier then I thought.
Protege became more powerful than the Living Tribunal, someone that Mandrakk wouldn't have a chance against. "
Than he lost to a celestial. "
If you believe Scathan is just a Celestial then you're wrong. "
If you believe that he's more than a celestial state it. "
LOL I love when people try to pull the LT card, then paint themselves in to a corner where they have to admit that a celestial is the second most powerful being in the universe. /they're screwed either way "
How am I screwed? Protege was more powerful than LT. "
And a celestial put a muzzle on him. By extension, you're trying to claim that Scathan (a celestia) is more powerful then the LT. Which is silly. Also note how Protege was claiming he was going to be TOAA. And a celestial muzzle kept him in check. For someone with supposed omniscience, a little blinding by a celestial is going to stop him? "
Scathan's power has absolutely nothing to do with the energy muzzle. Scathan just approves or disapproves - - and whatever it takes to defeat an entity is so. It's really all there is to it. Protege was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and he stomped all over LT, Eternity, HawkGod, and GOTG. He had all of their powers PLUS that of Mephisto and Beyonder. Scathan made his gesture of disapproval and then all of that power was subdued. In that arc Scathan was a beast.
Scathan had all the status and power to perform his duty, and it would seem that this power comes from above, like from TOAA. Scathan was no ordinary celestial. The Living Tribunal obviously respected Scathan enough to wait for him before proceeding:
"we may proceed once HE (Scathan) arrives" "Silence! The Approver's arrival is imminent" "Judgement is upon you both! To that end, HE (Scathan) shall bear witness!" "The Celestials' (Scathan) purpose, is to record and Approve of what transpires" Scathan being verbally pampered as the ultimate authority, Scathan ends the drama by simply approving: "
I love how you've immediately bypassed all logical conclusions and jumped straight to "he was being empowered by TOAA" when there's no proof to back this statement. Simply your assumptions as to his level of power. Protege was making claims of being omnipotent, yet he was restrained by a celestial muzzle (clearly stated as such, and not some mystical god muzzle) and the LT who was drawing on power from the amulet of Agamotto. I just want to repeat that in all caps for dramatic effect. The LT, amping up to be able to stop and restrain Protege (the omnipotent who'd just 'stomped' the LT) with the AMULET OF AGAMOTTO. Yeah, because omnipotence ends when you have a blanket thrown over your head. If you actually buy that load of bollocks than you're sillier then I thought. "
There's no on-panel evidence that he was backed by TOAA but it makes more sense than saying Scathan > LT on its own. It could be a case of PIS and the writers not thinking the story all the way through, but it was absolutely clear that Protege was > LT and everyone else in the arc.
Protege became more powerful than the Living Tribunal, someone that Mandrakk wouldn't have a chance against. "
Than he lost to a celestial. "
If you believe Scathan is just a Celestial then you're wrong. "
If you believe that he's more than a celestial state it. "
LOL I love when people try to pull the LT card, then paint themselves in to a corner where they have to admit that a celestial is the second most powerful being in the universe. /they're screwed either way "
How am I screwed? Protege was more powerful than LT. "
And a celestial put a muzzle on him. By extension, you're trying to claim that Scathan (a celestia) is more powerful then the LT. Which is silly. Also note how Protege was claiming he was going to be TOAA. And a celestial muzzle kept him in check. For someone with supposed omniscience, a little blinding by a celestial is going to stop him? "
Scathan's power has absolutely nothing to do with the energy muzzle. Scathan just approves or disapproves - - and whatever it takes to defeat an entity is so. It's really all there is to it. Protege was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and he stomped all over LT, Eternity, HawkGod, and GOTG. He had all of their powers PLUS that of Mephisto and Beyonder. Scathan made his gesture of disapproval and then all of that power was subdued. In that arc Scathan was a beast.
Scathan had all the status and power to perform his duty, and it would seem that this power comes from above, like from TOAA. Scathan was no ordinary celestial. The Living Tribunal obviously respected Scathan enough to wait for him before proceeding:
"we may proceed once HE (Scathan) arrives" "Silence! The Approver's arrival is imminent" "Judgement is upon you both! To that end, HE (Scathan) shall bear witness!" "The Celestials' (Scathan) purpose, is to record and Approve of what transpires" Scathan being verbally pampered as the ultimate authority, Scathan ends the drama by simply approving: "
I love how you've immediately bypassed all logical conclusions and jumped straight to "he was being empowered by TOAA" when there's no proof to back this statement. Simply your assumptions as to his level of power. Protege was making claims of being omnipotent, yet he was restrained by a celestial muzzle (clearly stated as such, and not some mystical god muzzle) and the LT who was drawing on power from the amulet of Agamotto. I just want to repeat that in all caps for dramatic effect. The LT, amping up to be able to stop and restrain Protege (the omnipotent who'd just 'stomped' the LT) with the AMULET OF AGAMOTTO. Yeah, because omnipotence ends when you have a blanket thrown over your head. If you actually buy that load of bollocks than you're sillier then I thought. "
There's no on-panel evidence that he was backed by TOAA but it makes more sense than saying Scathan > LT on its own. It could be a case of PIS and the writers not thinking the story all the way through, but it was absolutely clear that Protege was > LT and everyone else in the arc. "
So you're going to justify your illogical conclusion, based solely on a PIS showing by trying to use an illogical claim and say that Scathan was being powered by TOAA. If your argument wasn't thin before, it certainly is now.
@Lance Uppercut: Alright, prepare for a butt-whooping of irrefutable evidence if you honestly think LT is > Protege, because that's entirely false.
Protege copies anything he witnesses, no matter what's tossed at him. He just continues to cancel it out because he immediately becomes the other entities equal. Then he usurpes that equal as he absorbs in but an instant. As proof, here he is battling the Beyonder. Before he copied Beyonder's power he was nothing to him. However, as soon as Protege was able to tap into one piece of Beyonder's power Protege was able to battle him, and in fact stalemate him. Protege instantly was able to copy and re-direct everything Beyonder through at him. Eventually the Beyonder (a multiversal threat at this point) turned tail and ran because he couldn't do anything to Protege.
Eternity even realizes that Protege will quickly reach "infinite Omnipotence" (even before copying Hawkgod/Eternity/LT's power). The LT even clearly states on panel that Protege is a threat to the multiverse.
Anyway, by the end Protege is clearly more powerful than the Living Tribunal also known as Living Tribunal is weaker than Protege. Beyonder stated "on the boy rests the fate of any and all realities" Reactions of the LT, Eternity, Scathan and Hawgod. The LT's conclusion is ... "logical confirmation"
This is PROOF that Protege had surpassed the LT in power. What LT said was correct, the LT was going to need the 'Ancient One's Amulet'. Here we see LT was using the 'Ancient One's Amulet' as a source of power to increase his own in order to deal with Protege: LT needs the Ancient One's Amulet
LT states that Protege has the greatest power born to even immortals:
LT's bio also agrees with what took place on panel and it also clearly states that Scathan saved Realty: "LT was nearly usurped by Protege, whose ability to duplicate the powers of others allowed him to manifest the LT's own power." (had it not been for Scathan, Protege would've replaced the LT)
@CortSether: Post the scans where Protege basically had a blanket thrown over him and no longer had omniscience (which the Tribunal has). Or post some scans of Protege actually defeating the tribunal.
As for your "proof" that protege had surpassed the tribunal, I think it's funny that the tribunal had to use the amulet of agamotto to amp himself. Comparatively speaking, the writer actually thought that power from the vishanti was going to make a difference.
And on to the gem. The scan where it's stated that Protege will reach "infinite omnipotence", but once again, was stopped by a being whose power should have been inconsequential. Well guys, it looks like if anyone wants a character to take out TOAA, Cortsether thinks it's Scathan. Doesn't matter if TOAA is omnipotent, Scathan is more omnipotent.
" @CortSether: Post the scans where Protege basically had a blanket thrown over him and no longer had omniscience (which the Tribunal has). Or post some scans of Protege actually defeating the tribunal. As for your "proof" that protege had surpassed the tribunal, I think it's funny that the tribunal had to use the amulet of agamotto to amp himself. Comparatively speaking, the writer actually thought that power from the vishanti was going to make a difference. And on to the gem. The scan where it's stated that Protege will reach "infinite omnipotence", but once again, was stopped by a being whose power should have been inconsequential. Well guys, it looks like if anyone wants a character to take out TOAA, Cortsether thinks it's Scathan. Doesn't matter if TOAA is omnipotent, Scathan is more omnipotent. "
Are you serious? The Tribunal was helpless against the powers of Protege which is why he needed Scathan to come and disapprove of him. When has the Living Tribunal ever relied on someone else to do the judging for him when he could easily do it on his own? It was clearly shown that the LT could do nothing. Way to just ignore evidence, buddy.
" @CortSether: Post the scans where Protege basically had a blanket thrown over him and no longer had omniscience (which the Tribunal has). Or post some scans of Protege actually defeating the tribunal. As for your "proof" that protege had surpassed the tribunal, I think it's funny that the tribunal had to use the amulet of agamotto to amp himself. Comparatively speaking, the writer actually thought that power from the vishanti was going to make a difference. And on to the gem. The scan where it's stated that Protege will reach "infinite omnipotence", but once again, was stopped by a being whose power should have been inconsequential. Well guys, it looks like if anyone wants a character to take out TOAA, Cortsether thinks it's Scathan. Doesn't matter if TOAA is omnipotent, Scathan is more omnipotent. "
Are you serious? The Tribunal was helpless against the powers of Protege which is why he needed Scathan to come and disapprove of him. When has the Living Tribunal ever relied on someone else to do the judging for him when he could easily do it on his own? It was clearly shown that the LT could do nothing. Way to just ignore evidence, buddy. "
Way yo try and use PIS as your evidence while ignoring the glaring plot hole of a celestial beating God.
"Are you serious? The Tribunal was helpless against the powers of Protege which is why he needed Scathan to come and disapprove of him. When has the Living Tribunal ever relied on someone else to do the judging for him when he could easily do it on his own? It was clearly shown that the LT could do nothing. Way to just ignore evidence, buddy. "
Way yo try and use PIS as your evidence while ignoring the glaring plot hole of a celestial beating God. "
While I also first thought it was PIS, I later realized it was not after thinking about it some more. PIS is when a character performs a feat, or can not perform a feat that's outside and/or beyond/or below the inherent characters power-set. This is done to either defeat one that can not be defeated (at-least within a particular story)or to bring a story to an end. This was Protege's and Scathan's only appearances, so this was their character set powers, therefore no PIS was involved.
There is another way to look at it, the way it was portrayed on panel, and the way the official handbook supports what was portrayed on panel. Protege copied the full power of the LT/Eternity/Hawkgod/Beyonder/Mephisto/Malevolence & GOTG. Beyonder stated: "any and all Realitiesrests on the boys shoulders" ... (the Omniverse). The Writer himself then tells us how the LT/Eternity & Hawkgod feel about what Beyonder said. For the LT its: "logical confirmation" The LT had to draw on external power that was not his own to judge Protege. The LT's own official handbook bio tells us that Protege copied the LT's power and nearly usurped his position, (Protege was about to erase the LT and company) right before Scathan came through and stomped Protege with a gesture thus saving the Omniverse...just like it happened on-panel.
When Protege and Beyonder were fighting once again, they were interrupted by something incredible: Protege & Beyonder's battle is interrupted. Guess who made this interruption?
They end up on Scathan's hand:
Mephisto clearly states incredible power was used to cause an intra-dimensional confluence of that magnitude:
That's what was happening all that time in Scathan's hand,Protege was being judged by the LT.
Protege was able to copy this authoritative conjuncture because when LT is judging you the LT is also exercising its power. This explains why Protege had copied and surpassed LT's power, and we know for a fact Protege did surpass the LT, because the LT needed to use the Amulet to supplement his own power to deal with Protege. (I proved this with on panel evidence)
Here's Protege, clearly copying the Cosmic powers, including the LT's, just by observing the proceedings of his judgement: No power is being used by anyone, the only thing that is going on is LT's Judgement, and Eternity & Hawkgod adding to the drama with dialogue.
I gave you all the evidence needed. If you don't like it, write to Marvel and complain to them.
"Are you serious? The Tribunal was helpless against the powers of Protege which is why he needed Scathan to come and disapprove of him. When has the Living Tribunal ever relied on someone else to do the judging for him when he could easily do it on his own? It was clearly shown that the LT could do nothing. Way to just ignore evidence, buddy. "
Way yo try and use PIS as your evidence while ignoring the glaring plot hole of a celestial beating God. "
While I also first thought it was PIS, I later realized it was not after thinking about it some more. PIS is when a character performs a feat, or can not perform a feat that's outside and/or beyond/or below the inherent characters power-set. This is done to either defeat one that can not be defeated (at-least within a particular story)or to bring a story to an end. This was Protege's and Scathan's only appearances, so this was their character set powers, therefore no PIS was involved.
There is another way to look at it, the way it was portrayed on panel, and the way the official handbook supports what was portrayed on panel. Protege copied the full power of the LT/Eternity/Hawkgod/Beyonder/Mephisto/Malevolence & GOTG. Beyonder stated: "any and all Realitiesrests on the boys shoulders" ... (the Omniverse). The Writer himself then tells us how the LT/Eternity & Hawkgod feel about what Beyonder said. For the LT its: "logical confirmation" The LT had to draw on external power that was not his own to judge Protege. The LT's own official handbook bio tells us that Protege copied the LT's power and nearly usurped his position, (Protege was about to erase the LT and company) right before Scathan came through and stomped Protege with a gesture thus saving the Omniverse...just like it happened on-panel.
When Protege and Beyonder were fighting once again, they were interrupted by something incredible: Protege & Beyonder's battle is interrupted. Guess who made this interruption?
They end up on Scathan's hand:
Mephisto clearly states incredible power was used to cause an intra-dimensional confluence of that magnitude:
That's what was happening all that time in Scathan's hand,Protege was being judged by the LT.
Protege was able to copy this authoritative conjuncture because when LT is judging you the LT is also exercising its power. This explains why Protege had copied and surpassed LT's power, and we know for a fact Protege did surpass the LT, because the LT needed to use the Amulet to supplement his own power to deal with Protege. (I proved this with on panel evidence)
Here's Protege, clearly copying the Cosmic powers, including the LT's, just by observing the proceedings of his judgement: No power is being used by anyone, the only thing that is going on is LT's Judgement, and Eternity & Hawkgod adding to the drama with dialogue. I gave you all the evidence needed. If you don't like it, write to Marvel and complain to them. "
Oh stop spouting that bullsh!t like you're convincing someone. Note, that the only powers Protege didn't conveniently copy were those of Scathan. Suddenley a celestial is immune to having his power copied the new God?
Now here's where you're theory is bullsh!t. It's literally impossible for Scathan to have more authority when it comes to approving and dissapproving beings. Hell, nearly all of the LT's bios have said that his only superior is infact God. No being is greater then he
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So suddenly Protege rolls up, somehow "copies the power of the LT" and Scathan, a celestial (once again, no superior to the LT, see above) is able to stop God. The living tribunal was drawing off of the Amulet. There's no indication he was using his own power to perform these actions. In fact, it's more plausible that Protege drew the power from the Amulet, seeing as how if he'd actually absorbed the power of the LT, then nothing would have been able to stop him. Not Scathan, not Eternity, no one. Seeing as how he had an energy muzzle put on him, this is clearly not the case. Stop being so silly.
Oh stop spouting that bullsh!t like you're convincing someone. Note, that the only powers Protege didn't conveniently copy were those of Scathan. Suddenley a celestial is immune to having his power copied the new God?
Now here's where you're theory is bullsh!t. It's literally impossible for Scathan to have more authority when it comes to approving and dissapproving beings. Hell, nearly all of the LT's bios have said that his only superior is infact God. No being is greater then he
.
So suddenly Protege rolls up, somehow "copies the power of the LT" and Scathan, a celestial (once again, no superior to the LT, see above) is able to stop God. The living tribunal was drawing off of the Amulet. There's no indication he was using his own power to perform these actions. In fact, it's more plausible that Protege drew the power from the Amulet, seeing as how if he'd actually absorbed the power of the LT, then nothing would have been able to stop him. Not Scathan, not Eternity, no one. Seeing as how he had an energy muzzle put on him, this is clearly not the case. Stop being so silly. "
Yet again, you're ignoring on-panel evidence. You can speculate all you want about where Protege drew power from but it won't do you any good seeing as how on-panel evidence shows Protege copied LT's power. If I continue to debate with you it'll just turn into a circle and I will not entertain that.
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