Protege and The Living Tribunal Vs CA Superman and Elaine Belloc

Elaine Belloc solos

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" Elaine Belloc solos "

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@geraldthesloth said:

@Morpheus_ said:

" @CosmicSpiral said:

" Elaine Belloc solos "

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@Metalslash said:

Protege became toaa he solos.

no he didn't

Elaine Belloc is enough to win this match.

@Metalslash:

Yes he did

So Scathan>TOAA?

Toaa > elaine belloc. Protege solos

that i agree, but protege isn't TOAA so he doesnt solo

@Metalslash said:

@rolldestroyer said:

@Metalslash:

Yes he did

So Scathan>TOAA?

Toaa > elaine belloc. Protege solos

that i agree, but protege isn't TOAA so he doesnt solo

No, not at all.

Protege's defeat was biggest PIS ever in the history of comics. he should have easily stomped all of his opponents.

LT >>>> scathan( a mere celestial) and protege defeated LT so it was PIS. nothing else.

And protege did became toaa.

the whole thing was PIS not just protege's defeat, his power duplicating LT, him becoming the so called one above all, his defeat all of it was PIS.

Protege didn't become TOAA because otherwise he hadn't been defeated, it's as simple as that.

@Metalslash said:

@rolldestroyer said:

@Metalslash:

Yes he did

So Scathan>TOAA?

Toaa > elaine belloc. Protege solos

that i agree, but protege isn't TOAA so he doesnt solo

No, not at all.

Protege's defeat was biggest PIS ever in the history of comics. he should have easily stomped all of his opponents.

LT >>>> scathan( a mere celestial) and protege defeated LT so it was PIS. nothing else.

And protege did became toaa.

Protege called himself The One Above All, but he was not. Much like how Odin called himself Omnipotent, but obviously is not.

Belloc is the Presence, the Presence is > LT and Protege, despite the fact that Protege could copy LT in the fight and become equal or greater than LT. You can't be greater than the supreme being of an omniverse.

@Metalslash said:

@Dredeuced said:

@Metalslash said:

@rolldestroyer said:

@Metalslash:

Yes he did

So Scathan>TOAA?

Toaa > elaine belloc. Protege solos

that i agree, but protege isn't TOAA so he doesnt solo

No, not at all.

Protege's defeat was biggest PIS ever in the history of comics. he should have easily stomped all of his opponents.

LT >>>> scathan( a mere celestial) and protege defeated LT so it was PIS. nothing else.

And protege did became toaa.

Protege called himself The One Above All, but he was not. Much like how Odin called himself Omnipotent, but obviously is not.

Belloc is the Presence, the Presence is > LT and Protege, despite the fact that Protege could copy LT in the fight and become equal or greater than LT. You can't be greater than the supreme being of an omniverse.

When did odin called himself omnipotent? I wanna see scan

Protege can copy presence power and can defeat him because presence is not truely omnipotent.

And many people believe Toaa = Primal monitor and LT = presence. I too believe that.

so even if he was not toaa still he wins.

@rolldestroyer: I don't think so. he became toaa but he was defeated so it was pis.

Here is the Odin scan:

Here darkseid calls himself omnipotent:

i can go on......many characters stated themselves to be supreme.......omnipotent.......but we all know who are the true supreme(s) in DC and Marvel, in Marvel it's TOAA and in DC it's the Presence since the Presence is God while the primal moniter is just a void which was before beginning of time.

@Metalslash said:

@Dredeuced said:

@Metalslash said:

@rolldestroyer said:

@Metalslash:

Yes he did

So Scathan>TOAA?

Toaa > elaine belloc. Protege solos

that i agree, but protege isn't TOAA so he doesnt solo

No, not at all.

Protege's defeat was biggest PIS ever in the history of comics. he should have easily stomped all of his opponents.

LT >>>> scathan( a mere celestial) and protege defeated LT so it was PIS. nothing else.

And protege did became toaa.

Protege called himself The One Above All, but he was not. Much like how Odin called himself Omnipotent, but obviously is not.

Belloc is the Presence, the Presence is > LT and Protege, despite the fact that Protege could copy LT in the fight and become equal or greater than LT. You can't be greater than the supreme being of an omniverse.

When did odin called himself omnipotent? I wanna see scan

Protege can copy presence power and can defeat him because presence is not truely omnipotent.

And many people believe Toaa = Primal monitor and LT = presence. I too believe that.

so even if he was not toaa still he wins.

@rolldestroyer: I don't think so. he became toaa but he was defeated so it was pis.

TOAA is the writer's insertion of themselves in a comic. They have all the power to do anything they want in said comic, and are beyond its rules and boundaries because they shape everything as they see fit. TOAA could've turned LT charged Protege into a rabbit if they so felt like it, as TOAA is to the Marvel universe, whoever is writing TOAA at the time. A character cannot "become" the writer, so Protege cannot become TOAA. There's a celestial named TOAA, too, but it's just a self appointed title, much like protege.

Overmonitor is not the writer. At most, Overmonitor is equivalent to Pre Retcon Beyonder -- a presence outside the DC Multiverse who see the DC Multiverse as a little, insignificant speck (or as Beyonder put it, a drop in the ocean) compare to the void he inhabits. Overmonitor is not equivalent to TOAA, nor is the Presence his lackey.

The Presence is the supreme being in the DC multiverse (though its influence outside the multiverse is not confirmed). It is of a greater authority relative to LT. Elaine Belloc is Yahweh in Veritgo, which puts her on the same level as The Presence, MOM, and above LT (who apparently works as TOAA's enforcer, or basically, the Writer's judgemenet without self insertion). LT is not the supreme being in his multiverse, as he was defeated by the HOTU (a higher power's tool, presumed to be TOAA, and it's kind of true as the writer granted Thanos a heretofore unseen power to stomp LT).

Protege is not truly omnipotent, because his powers can be turned off (by scathan) and contained (by LT). Presence is truly all powerful, and by association, so is Belloc. You can't beat Belloc, you can't copy her powers if she doesn't want you too, because she is beyond concepts like powers.

@Metalslash said:

@rolldestroyer: Okey so he wasn't toaa but still he can copy presence powers and can defeat him since presence is not truely omnipotent.

The Presence is confirmed to be God in DCU and thus he is omnipotent, omnisceint and omnipresent.

Primal monitor is actually the canvas over which all stories are written. he is like pages of comics. no character not even presence can affect him. He is truely omnipotent and true god of dc.

is this just a theory or can you prove it? because from what ive seen the primal monitor is just the endless void that contains the multiverse.

The presence didn't struggle with GEB. GEB was a creation of the Presence when the Presence created the multiverse with "let there be light." When GEB stormed Presence's kingdom in heaven, Presence extended its hand and they became one complete being again. GEB is just a part of presence, as is everything in the DC multiverse.

@Metalslash said:

@rolldestroyer said:

@Metalslash said:

@rolldestroyer: Okey so he wasn't toaa but still he can copy presence powers and can defeat him since presence is not truely omnipotent.

The Presence is confirmed to be God in DCU and thus he is omnipotent, omnisceint and omnipresent.

Primal monitor is actually the canvas over which all stories are written. he is like pages of comics. no character not even presence can affect him. He is truely omnipotent and true god of dc.

is this just a theory or can you prove it? because from what ive seen the primal monitor is just the endless void that contains the multiverse.

well it is a theory. primal monitor may not be supreme being.

Presence is NOT true god.He is not omnipotent. True god of comics are its writers only.

Dc doesn't have the concept like TOAA has in marvel, meaning they dont have a character inside the comics representing the writers, but that doesn't mean that the Presence is not omnipotent in DC...

1 He said that he was created by forces external to himself. May be he was talking about dc's writers. those forces are truely omnipotent

yes, IMO he was talking about the writers because i dont see anyone/anything being above the presence.

2. presence faced problem with Great evil beast. that too proves my point.

he didnt have any problems, great evil beast went against God then God simply merged with him.

@Metalslash said:

@Dredeuced: still you can't neglect the 1st point.

That the Presence is not Marvel's TOAA? Yes. Belloc is still omnipotent, and the fight would start and end with Belloc removing LT and Protege from existence. Protege was bested by Scathan and LT was bested by HOTU -- they're clearly not the highest order of their own universes, either. No one has ever been stated as being higher in DC than Presence (Who is now Belloc after the Vertigo DC merge).

@Metalslash said:

@rolldestroyer said:

@Metalslash said:

@rolldestroyer said:

@Metalslash said:

@rolldestroyer: Okey so he wasn't toaa but still he can copy presence powers and can defeat him since presence is not truely omnipotent.

The Presence is confirmed to be God in DCU and thus he is omnipotent, omnisceint and omnipresent.

Primal monitor is actually the canvas over which all stories are written. he is like pages of comics. no character not even presence can affect him. He is truely omnipotent and true god of dc.

is this just a theory or can you prove it? because from what ive seen the primal monitor is just the endless void that contains the multiverse.

well it is a theory. primal monitor may not be supreme being.

Presence is NOT true god.He is not omnipotent. True god of comics are its writers only.

Dc doesn't have the concept like TOAA has in marvel, meaning they dont have a character inside the comics representing the writers, but that doesn't mean that the Presence is not omnipotent in DC...

1 He said that he was created by forces external to himself. May be he was talking about dc's writers. those forces are truely omnipotent

yes, IMO he was talking about the writers because i dont see anyone/anything being above the presence.

2. presence faced problem with Great evil beast. that too proves my point.

he didnt have any problems, great evil beast went against God then God simply merged with him.

well if the writers are mentioned in comics then nothing can be above them. so pesence is not supreme. hence not omnipotent

You dont have to be the writer to be omnipotent inside the comics.

since there are no representatives of writers inside DC comics (like TOAA in marvel) no one is above the presence, which means the presence can do anything he wants, which means the presence is omnipotent inside Dc comics.

@Metalslash said:

@rolldestroyer: There are representatives. those forces are.

i didn't understand your post. do you mean dc has writer representatives inside the comics? if so who are they?

Team 1 wins .

@rolldestroyer said:

@Metalslash said:

@rolldestroyer: Okey so he wasn't toaa but still he can copy presence powers and can defeat him since presence is not truely omnipotent.

The Presence is confirmed to be God in DCU and thus he is omnipotent, omnisceint and omnipresent.

Primal monitor is actually the canvas over which all stories are written. he is like pages of comics. no character not even presence can affect him. He is truely omnipotent and true god of dc.

is this just a theory or can you prove it? because from what ive seen the primal monitor is just the endless void that contains the multiverse.

Man, that was stupid as hell! >=( And LT solos.

@Jedisupermaster said:

@rolldestroyer said:

@Metalslash said:

@rolldestroyer: Okey so he wasn't toaa but still he can copy presence powers and can defeat him since presence is not truely omnipotent.

The Presence is confirmed to be God in DCU and thus he is omnipotent, omnisceint and omnipresent.

Primal monitor is actually the canvas over which all stories are written. he is like pages of comics. no character not even presence can affect him. He is truely omnipotent and true god of dc.

is this just a theory or can you prove it? because from what ive seen the primal monitor is just the endless void that contains the multiverse.

Man, that was stupid as hell! >=( And LT solos.

what was stupid?

Elaine Belloc