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#1 Posted by blacklatern (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman vs Charles Xavier. 

Ok telepathy vs all of clark's super abilities. Can xavier influence clark's mind? Is xavier's speed of thought quicker than superman's super speed.
Both characters are allowed prep time but i have a clear scenario of who would win and how.
Let me know what you guys think.
#2 Posted by John_Stewart (13 posts) - - Show Bio

Charles wins with prep. He could mind rape superman using cerebro. Superman would be defeated before he even knew Charles had a problem with him.

#3 Posted by marvellover1 (373 posts) - - Show Bio

Pro x

#4 Posted by vuviper (5530 posts) - - Show Bio
@blacklatern said:
"
Superman vs Charles Xavier. 

Ok telepathy vs all of clark's super abilities. Can xavier influence clark's mind? Is xavier's speed of thought quicker than superman's super speed.
Both characters are allowed prep time but i have a clear scenario of who would win and how.
Let me know what you guys think.
"
It's important how far away they are. Also important is what they can utilize in their prep time.

@John_Stewart said:
" Charles wins with prep. He could mind rape superman using cerebro. Superman would be defeated before he even knew Charles had a problem with him. "

Three things:
1) Charles wins with prep- Clark isn't a slouch when in comes to intellect and scientific/technological science (when it's actually necessary for him to do so in a story) I would also guess that he is familiar with much more advanced alien tech. Also, each minute of prep for Xavier is essentially years worth for Superman.
2) He could Mind rape superman using cerebro- Superman already has pretty decent resistance to telepathy. I'm not sure if we assume Xavier has access to Cerebro. Superman could likely construct a device to block telepathy, maybe Charles can bypass that I don't really know.
3) Superman would be defeated before he even knew Charles had a problem with him- Your statement assumes that combat would begin before Superman is even aware he is fighting, while Charles is not deprived of this prior knowledge. That is hardly a fair way to begin any duel.
#5 Posted by lantian1 (160 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman could just borrow a green lantern ring or build a telepathic inhibitor. Either would protect him from Charles

#6 Posted by termiteone4ever (7125 posts) - - Show Bio

SUpers got this Xavier would be dead before he can think

#7 Posted by Supreme Cosmic (764 posts) - - Show Bio
@blacklatern said:
"
Superman vs Charles Xavier. 

Ok telepathy vs all of clark's super abilities. Can xavier influence clark's mind? Is xavier's speed of thought quicker than superman's super speed.
Both characters are allowed prep time but i have a clear scenario of who would win and how.
Let me know what you guys think.
"
I think your thread will drive superman defender crazy if he sees it lol. personally I think superman will win cause he can at the very least resist  the effect and  attack with heat vision for example. It is not like Charles will dodge anything.
#8 Posted by alcoholbob (1192 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman solos the Marvel-verse, par for the course for the Comic Vine.

#9 Posted by Kal'smahboi (3501 posts) - - Show Bio

Mind manipulation has always been one of the most effective tactics against Superman.  Like magic, it's something on Earth that actually CAN affect him.
This battle kind of depends on how the meeting happens. If Prof X just decides he wants to kill Superman, he can use Cerebro and just do it.  Supes would never know what hit him.  In a happenstance meeting, Supes wins.  In a planned meeting with knowledge of each other's powers, Supes wins.

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#11 Posted by Moonhawk (89 posts) - - Show Bio

The Professor takes the victory.

#12 Posted by BlueAlchemist (23 posts) - - Show Bio

@lantian1: A: Superman couldn't do that. I'm pretty sure he isn't "worthy" of a GL ring.

B: No "borrowing" stuff like a GL ring or telepathic inhibitor.

C: If you could borrow stuff like that, (worthiness aside) then Professor X can borrow Thor's hammer and kryptonite.

#13 Edited by TheTruthNerds (244 posts) - - Show Bio

Supes has Physic blocks X will need more time to get into supes mind. He loses because of that factor.

#14 Posted by chaoichi (77 posts) - - Show Bio

If this an actual battle Superman's faster then Charles can think. If there's prep Superman has used a lantern ring and should be able to build something to protect himself.

#15 Posted by New_World_Order (12895 posts) - - Show Bio

Charles Xavier due to prep.

#16 Edited by ShadowHuntR (446 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath: Superman is immuned to TP now. So he got this.

MMH stated that he cannot enter Superman's mind if Superman doesn't let him thanks to his Torquasm abilities which allowed him to make his mind stronger.

And with prep, Superman rebuild the Miracle Machine and wish for Xavier to loose his abilities. Or he simply lobotomize him like he did to Manchester Black with his heat vision.

#17 Posted by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath: Superman is immuned to TP now. So he got this.

MMH stated that he cannot enter Superman's mind if Superman doesn't let him thanks to his Torquasm abilities which allowed him to make his mind stronger.

Interesting. Is this n52 Superman?

#18 Posted by comic_book_fan (5508 posts) - - Show Bio

xavier wins.

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#19 Posted by dondave (35901 posts) - - Show Bio

Clark cuts off his head with his hand

#20 Posted by comic_book_fan (5508 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: superman would never kill he was beaten by grodd who to my knowledge does not think any faster than xavier and isn't nearly as powerful with his telepathy even if clark knocks charles out charles can still use his powers so there is a verry small chance clark will win this.

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#21 Posted by Erik (32028 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman in a severely one-sided battle.

#22 Posted by comicace3 (4223 posts) - - Show Bio

supes

#23 Edited by comic_book_fan (5508 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: how i already explained how xavier wins and noone has refuted it.

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#24 Edited by Erik (32028 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: how i already explained how xavier wins and noone has refuted it.

Superman gets prep time. What is stopping him from building a psy-shield with this prep time and once using it, simply prevents Xavier from accessing his powers like he did with another psy-talent? Superman would literally have to not do anything during his prep time to lose this fight. He doesn't need to kill Xavier. He doesn't even need to touch Xavier to beat him.

#25 Posted by comic_book_fan (5508 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: xavier is smarter and has prep too.

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#26 Edited by Erik (32028 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: xavier is smarter and has prep too.

Xavier is not smarter and what is he going to do with prep? Build another Cerebro?

#27 Posted by tensor (4073 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman with prep VS Professor X with prep.I am going with Superman sorry not much Xavier can do.

#28 Edited by God_Spawn (37560 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik said:

@comic_book_fan said:

@erik: xavier is smarter and has prep too.

Xavier is not smarter and what is he going to do with prep? Build another Cerebro?

Well first he should he should probably get his brain back from the Skull. That would be a good start with prep. Then he should go talk with Scott and apologize for being a d*ck an entire comic issue, which resulted in him getting killed....again. Or since he's probably in hell for all the behind the scenes manipulation he has done, he should ask Mephisto to become the new Ghost Rider.

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#29 Posted by comic_book_fan (5508 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: xavier is smarter and could build a machine to bypass what ever superman was thinking.

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#31 Posted by reaverlation (15118 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik said:

@comic_book_fan said:

@erik: xavier is smarter and has prep too.

Xavier is not smarter and what is he going to do with prep? Build another Cerebro?

Well first he should he should probably get his brain back from the Skull. That would be a good start with prep. Then he should go talk with Scott and apologize for being a d*ck an entire comic issue, which resulted in him getting killed....again. Or since he's probably in hell for all the behind the scenes manipulation he has done, he should ask Mephisto to become the new Ghost Rider.

Lol

@kingh said:

Lmao, superman gets mindfucked.

Watch the language. No swearing on CV

Superman pokes Xavier's head into a splatter

#32 Posted by Erik (32028 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Posted by KingH (305 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: Wrong. How much do you actually know about Xavier.

#34 Edited by GreatCaesarsGhost (2407 posts) - - Show Bio

#35 Posted by reaverlation (15118 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingh: Plenty.Let me know when Xavier can react in nanoseconds and is MFTL and cam resist having his head punched to the moon by Clark's pinkie

#36 Posted by KingH (305 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: do you understand the prep part of this? Xavier literally knows everything superman is gonna do before he even does. Superman gets mind fuc***.

#37 Posted by reaverlation (15118 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingh: And how would Xavier know? It just says prep.In that prep, what are they allowed? No knowledge or full knowledge? It just says prep so you can't assume they both get full knowledge on each other.Or how long the prep is.Superman stomps Xavier with little effort

#38 Edited by KingH (305 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: You do know that Xavier is a telepath right. One of the most powerful telepathy to exist. Even without prep, Xavier would know every move that superman is gonna do before he does anything. Xavier would just mind rape him. Do you need me to list all of the multiple ways he could do it?

#39 Posted by EpicTayMan (2167 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingh: Not even close son. He's a strong telepath but NOT to exist get your facts right then correct people ok. ^_^

#40 Posted by kyrees (4804 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingh: speed of thought is not in any way faster than the speed of sound or light. charles need to focus on that extremely fast blur to do something significant and before he does, clark snaps his neck.

#41 Posted by GreatCaesarsGhost (2407 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman is faster than thought. Xavier has NO speed feats that prove he can deal with that. (if you think he does feel free to post them)

#42 Posted by EpicTayMan (2167 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm... you weaklings under estimate Proffeser Xavier what a shame. *Shake Head*

#43 Posted by mgrman5 (581 posts) - - Show Bio

With prep Prof X can get a hold of the mind gem and use it to destroy Superman.

#44 Edited by reaverlation (15118 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingh: Give me 1 speed feat that puts him on Clark's level, which is at nanoseconds.If not, Clark kills him by accident

#45 Posted by KingH (305 posts) - - Show Bio
#46 Edited by GreatCaesarsGhost (2407 posts) - - Show Bio

@mgrman5 said:

With prep Prof X can get a hold of the mind gem and use it to destroy Superman.

By that logic, Superman could just as easily get psychic protection. Why do people think that Superman can't use prep time just as efficiently?

#47 Edited by mgrman5 (581 posts) - - Show Bio

@greatcaesarsghost: While that is true Superman can get some pretty useful tech to try and protect his mind from attack but he doesn't have much in is arsenal to handle the mind gem especially with Prof X as its master. I only picked the mind gem because Prof X actually had it in his possession even after he died and I don't think Superman has anything like in the New 52.

#48 Posted by EpicTayMan (2167 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingh: Hmmm. i think you edited that :P

#49 Posted by Tyger (745 posts) - - Show Bio

This ... Is really vague. In a speed blitz, he'll do better than Starfire did in the crossover. But just as true the other way, Superman has consistently shown to have issues with telepathic attacks. Basically, the first shot of this fight is going to be the only shot.

#50 Edited by christianrapper (895 posts) - - Show Bio

@blacklatern said:

Superman vs Charles Xavier. Ok telepathy vs all of clark's super abilities. Can xavier influence clark's mind? Is xavier's speed of thought quicker than superman's super speed.Both characters are allowed prep time but i have a clear scenario of who would win and how.Let me know what you guys think.

charles would be dead before he could even think of trying something on clark.