Let's try something different here, I hope it's a simple and funny one. Well, I love D&D and I love Godzilla, so I thought it would be fun to see these titans collide.
This is a Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon and this composite Godzilla
Both are bloodlusted
Takes place in an unpopulated Tokyo
Data about the Prismatic Dragon, all his spells (Let's use the ones in the example) are shown in the sample (Each spell have it's description, you only need to click :P), also, he have the Staff of the Cosmos and Ring of Regeneration as the Sample: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Prismatic_Dragon
Just some physical data, the Prismatic Dragon weights a little more than 150 tons and flies at the speed of aproximately 64km/h (Aproximately 40 mph) up to 256km/h during dives and while accelerating, he have an horrible maneuverability though. His size is about the same as Smaug from the movie.
Well, have fun people, this one is just for relaxing :D
His list of spells: 0—dancing lights, daze, detect magic, ghost sound, light, prestidigitation, ray of frost, read magic, resistance; 1st—enlarge person, mage armor, magic missile, shield, true strike, unseen servant; 2nd—alter self, blur, darkness, detect thoughts, levitate; 3rd—blink, fireball, greater magic weapon, haste, tongues, wind wall; 4th—confusion, polymorph, scrying, stoneskin; 5th— baleful polymorph, dismissal, fabricate, passwall, wall of force; 6th—antimagic field, greater dispell magic, true seeing; 7th—forcecage, sequester, spell turning, greater teleport; 8th—greater planar binding, mass charm monster, symbol of death, temporal stasis; 9th—dominate monster, gate, imprisonment, time stop, wish
That's not counting custome spells of course. And the fact that he also probably knows every spell in multiverse if he managed to live to Greater Wyrm age (Great Wyrm Prismatic Dragon is the single most dangerous monster (not counting greater deities and TOAA) in DnD so far).
Greater Wyrm here has magic resistance gods can't get through, could eat a black hole cannon to the face, has effectively forcefields (that's before he boost his defence with magic spells, something that he do every day), and is also a level 38 Epic Spellcaster. In just raw spellcasting ability, a comparable spellcaster can make a spell to literally hijack the god of magic's ability.
In short he will use spell wish or imprisonment and win.
Well, calculating using his strenght values, he can carry/lift at least 10,000 tons without much problem (May be a bit off, I'm rusty with the D&D system), his speed is 256km/h as put in the OP.
His breath weapon is a prismatic spray, which can cause random effects:
Can deal massive fire damage
Can deal massive ice damage
Can deal massive electricity damage
Can deliver a poison that instantly kills its opponent (Applying D&D Rules to this battle, Godzilla could resist)
Can turn the opponent into a stone statue (Godzilla could also resist).
Can make the target go completely insane and unable to take any actions.
Can BFR the opponent to a random plane
Can launch two rays with the effects above
Can protect himself with prismatic spheres and prismatic walls, those can only be pierced when damaged with specific spells and have the following effects:
While under this shield, he is invulnerable to regular energy damage and whoever tries to pass into the shield is subjected to the same effects of his breath weapon. Godzilla could probably physically pierce them but his breath atomic breath would be negated by default. The use that I've imagined would be the dragon staying in the air inside a prismatic sphere while preparing a spell to try to harm Godzilla.
Damage reduction: The dragon itself takes reduced damage from attacks
Well, those are the basic skills, I can go to the spells now that every dragon of this species have:
Hypnotic Pattern and Rainbow Pattern: He can make anyone that looks at him fascinated and less focused in the battle. This works more like a distraction than anything else.
Sunburst: A globe of searing radiance explodes in the point that the dragon wants, covering 80ft (24 meters) radius, it deals massive damage (Heat resistance should be enough to endure it though) and blinds the target.
Sunbeam: Same as above, except that instead of an AoE attack this is a beam of energy.
Now some spells that they usually have:
Temporal Stasis: You place the subject into a state of suspended animation. For the creature, time ceases to flow and its condition becomes fixed. The creature does not grow older. Its body functions virtually cease, and no force or effect can harm it. This state persists until the magic is removed.
Dominate Monster: You can control the actions of any creature through a telepathic link that you establish with the subject’s mind. If you and the subject have a common language, you can generally force the subject to perform as you desire, within the limits of its abilities. If no common language exists, you can communicate only basic commands, such as “Come here,” “Go there,” “Fight,” and “Stand still.” You know what the subject is experiencing, but you do not receive direct sensory input from it, nor can it communicate with you telepathically. Subjects resist this control, and any subject forced to take actions against its nature can try to resist with their willpower. Obviously self-destructive orders are not carried out. Once control is established, the range at which it can be exercised is unlimited, as long as you and the subject are on the same plane. You need not see the subject to control it.
Note: He can't make Godzilla suicide with this, self-destructive orders are ignored.
Time stop:This spell seems to make time cease to flow for everyone but you. In fact, you speed up so greatly that all other creatures seem frozen, though they are actually still moving at their normal speeds. You are free to act for 1d4+1 rounds roughly one minute of apparent time. Normal and magical fire, cold, gas, and the like can still harm you. While the time stop is in effect, other creatures are invulnerable to your attacks and spells; you cannot target such creatures with any attack or spell. A spell that affects an area and has a duration longer than the remaining duration of the time stop have their normal effects on other creatures once the time stop ends. Most spellcasters use the additional time to improve their defenses, summon allies, or flee from combat.
Wish: This one the link will explain better than me, basically besides recreating any spell, ressurrecting the dead (No use in battle), undo misfortune (Example: Godzilla tags and grabs him, he can wish that reality is altered in order to make this nonexistent, reality warping a new possibility when he wasn't tagget in the first place, basically the same as Izanagi). He can try to kill Godzilla by wishing him dead, but I don't know what would happen, too powerful wishes often are interpreted literally and in ways that may be prejudicial to the user.
Imprisonment: Seals the creature below Earth if the caster manages to touch it, if the target have exceptional willpower it may resist those effects. Not even reality warping can undo this spell, only specific mechanisms.
Summon Monster: Can summon creatures to help him in the battle, like hordes of colossal spiders, elementals or a lot more of creatures, there's a list in the link.
Just for reference, tiny is the little cat, then we have small, medium (human), large, huge, gargantuan and colossal (Red Dragon). For reference, the Prismatic Dragon is around 3 times bigger than the red dragon there.
I will not mention the frightful presence (A dragon ability that paralyzes almost anyone that sees them) because I don't think that Godzilla would be caught. Other abilities includes changing forms, size change (He can double its size or make himself human sized), turning the target into stone or into a tiny animal (Willpower and sheer durability negates this). Can also create walls of force that are completely immune to any kind of damage and works as a shield.
Again, I'm only showing basic tricks from a Prismatic Dragon this powerful, if someone with more knowledge than me comes this person will be able to explain more about its capabilities, it could basically have access to any regular spell in the game.
Just some clarifications
Well, as I'm using a D&D character I must make some things clear for some therms used there.
Fortitude is based on the physical constitution of the target, so spells that affect fortitude can be bypassed by beings with exceptional durability and vitality.
Willpower is mind related, basically anyone strong minded, or preferably with TP Resistance, can try to resist spells that affect this.
Reflex is based on the dexterity of the target, how fast he is and how fast he can react to threats.
Some of the spells posted above can be completely negated if the target is exceptionally impressive in the needed factor, while others can have their effects diminished by them.
@redzkz: from what you said, the Legendary Godzilla is VERY much outmacthed there. Composite Godzilla though would probably be able to fight him equally if not win.
How powerful were these gods tho? And what do most of these spells do?
@redzkz: from what you said, the Legendary Godzilla is VERY much outmacthed there. Composite Godzilla though would probably be able to fight him equally if not win.
How powerful were these gods tho? And what do most of these spells do?
I underestimated the dragon, this is composite Godzilla now.
@hiddenlight: nice. Now we're talking! Alright, some info dump on Composite Godzilla's capabilities then:
Physical strength on level of Classic Thor and surpassing Classic Savage Hulk (stalemated the former and literally stomped the later), almost instant regeneration from the point of being atomized, abilty to absorb energy (radiation mostly, but also electricity, plasma, solar energy, life & spiritual energy, souls), energy absorption level that allows him to absorb an entire star with just a single cell, durability on a cellular level that allows him to survive natural black holes, Spiral Red Breath strong enough to destroy his own black hole-durable cells, even while they were amped after absorbing a star, ability to fire up to three Atomic Breaths simultaniously, ability to control it's path mid-air, extremely high resistance to heat, MFTL+ reaction speed, ability to "warp" at extremely large astronomical distances and in other dimensions with seriously screwed-up phycics (BFR option and unnability to properly BFR him), immunity to mind control, as well as resistance/immunity warious methods of atomic disembowelment, space and time manipulation. And the most important and impressive: in A Space Godzilla story Godzilla was able to destroy a dimension-spanning multi-directional space-time bending anomaly in a deserted universe by gauging out his eyeballs and using them as grenades. That's a universal or so destructive capability right here. And I am not making any of this stuff up.
How powerful were these gods tho? And what do most of these spells do?
During death of Mystra (greater deity of magic) raw energies that got released because of her death of magic ravaged during entire multiverse, burning down worlds all around DnD multiverse and changed the laws of magic.
Another greater deity (he calls himself devil, but it was stated in 2 or 3 edition that he is greater deity) picked infinity sized object and removed it. Won the war between demons and devils in favor of devils.
Szass Tam, a lich with far less impressive stats, created solar system sized pocket dimension as well as personal world. Note that he did this after Mystra's death, so he literally had to learn magic from zero. He did this in two or three years.
Wish is reality warping. You use it and tell what you want to change A bit of double edge sword though. If person is not smart that spell can easily backfire and destroy user. This is out of question here, since Greater Wyrm can't make such mistake. He will literally wish for Godzilla's death and that will happen.
Imprisonment puts it's enemy into coma and sealed him into core of the Earth. The only ways to remove the seal and awake the prisoner is either cast wish or the only counter spell to imprisonment (in exact place where imprisonment happened).
@redzkz: impressive. And the Prismatic Dragon has the magic shields that are able to hold off these deities? Like, all at once or one at a time? Could you give a context of that, cause I am not sure I understand it right.
Wish sounds like a useful thing in this situation. The thing is, wishing for Godzilla to die... May not actually work. You see, Godzilla had actually died. Multiple times. And most of them, he got back. GMK Godzilla was fully atomised, but yet his spirit lived on and let him regenerate from nothing. 1954 Godzilla was killed by the Oxygen Destroyer, but his soul also lived on, attached to the bones of his skeleton. In Godzilla In Hell, Godzilla dies during the fight against SpaceGodzilla, but after he gets transported to Heaven and then to Hell, he fights back everything in there and gets back to the world of living. In A Space Godzilla story, Godzilla had died from ilness, but after a while his healing factor kicked in and healed him almost completely.
That sound a lot like Mothra's seal technique. The point was that Mothra can seal an opponent in the Earth's crust for indefinite period of time and the seall couldn't be broken without the outside interference. The seal managed to hold Desghidorah, the monster who absorbed the life forces of multiple planets (and in Heisei series planets are actual sentient living beings, with Mothra and Battra acting as Earth's anti-cells, created by the planet to protect it), wiped out all the Mothras exept one, destroyed an advanced civilization and killed many kaiju, according to the Rebirth of Mothra book (kaiju including Anguirus, Rodan, Gorosaurus, as well as Ultraman kaiju Gomora and Kingsaurus III, which were probably added there as an eater egg). The seal managed to hold him for millions of years. Godzilla, however, was able to break the seal himself after, what, 2 years? Also, putting Godzilla in coma may not work as well. He has a long history of shrugging off psychic and technological attacks targeting his brain.
Wish sounds like a useful thing in this situation. The thing is, wishing for Godzilla to die... May not actually work. You see, Godzilla had actually died. Multiple times. And most of them, he got back. GMK Godzilla was fully atomised, but yet his spirit lived on and let him regenerate from nothing. 1954 Godzilla was killed by the Oxygen Destroyer, but his soul also lived on, attached to the bones of his skeleton. In Godzilla In Hell, Godzilla dies during the fight against SpaceGodzilla, but after he gets transported to Heaven and then to Hell, he fights back everything in there and gets back to the world of living. In A Space Godzilla story, Godzilla had died from ilness, but after a while his healing factor kicked in and healed him almost completely.
It doesn't matter. Wish will kill Godzilla, because someone like Great Wyrm knows how to exactly put his words so his wish worked. His wish is the death of Godzilla, not destruction of his body (you see the destruction of enemy body only is a common, very basic mistakes when casting Wish. It's literally a "student" mistake). Soul destruction is common, very common in DnD. All of epic level casters can survive without body, so attacking soul is a must move in any high level magic duel. Not to mention that such things as ghosts, wraiths and so on running around.
@redzkz: impressive. And the Prismatic Dragon has the magic shields that are able to hold off these deities? Like, all at once or one at a time? Could you give a context of that, cause I am not sure I understand it right.
More likely with prep time he can take on and win or defend himself from one of them.
Also, putting Godzilla in coma may not work as well. He has a long history of shrugging off psychic and technological attacks targeting his brain.
It's magical coma. You need as high level magic to break free as possible, so it's pretty much 100% chance that big G never wake's up. Planet might die, galaxy might die around him, but he won't wake up. It;s one of the top spells in multiverse for a reason. Godzilla might (and probably should) resist low level mind and dimension seals, but not something that was made to deal with low level deity.
Found it. It is a bad example of Wish, but still better than nothing.
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Person use limited wish spell (minor version of wish) to become more experienced. So he got what he asked a whole bunch of enemies to kill. This is a common mistake. Great Wyrm would've only get the benefits without any risks for himself.
@redzkz: okay, sure, I can agree that the Dragon would be able to permanently kill Godzilla and his soul given a chance. However... He may not have that chance. Godzilla has MFTL movement and reaction speed feats, is the size of skyscraper and can hit as hard as Classic Thor, not to mention his Atomic Beams, which can travel at x30 the light speed, pack enough concentrated energy to destroy multiple solar systems, and Goji can change their curve at will. The point is, how physically strong, durable and fast is Prismatic Dragon? What stops Godzilla from annihilating him before he can even process a single thought?
With prep? Meaning that on random one-on-one battle he won't be able to win? Also, what exact gods did he face? Based and what you said, all these gods have different power levels. Also, how do these magic shields work? Are they automatically activated or does the Dragon need to create them himself?
Godzilla was able to casually resist a mindfuck from what was hinted to be an Abrahamic God. Even if it was not an actual God, that thing was still powerful enough to recreate the Earth and the Moon which were violently blown up during Godzilla's fight against SpaceGodzilla, as well as empower Godzilla so much that he was able to casually stomped amped SpaceGodzilla, who in base form contributed half the energy for the explosion that demolished the planet and send the debris flying past Moon's orbit and was able to tank the blasts of an equal power from Godzilla. Does that count as high level magic?
@redzkz: okay, sure, I can agree that the Dragon would be able to permanently kill Godzilla and his soul given a chance. However... He may not have that chance. Godzilla has MFTL movement and reaction speed feats
Time-stop. One of the basic rule of mages is always had timestop (if they have access to it) on them. It's activation is full auto and works the moment someone hits them. Not to mention that Great Wyrm will also have auto teleport or teleport into another dimension on him in order to prevent even enemy hit (should it be too dangerous to tank). And any custom spells to redirect, shield or teleport himself away too. His divination spells will also give him full info about his enemy.
@darthaznable: I will admit that I played D&D for about a year, during which I pulled a trick where my character hid his true power, turned into a lich and killed one of my teammates, then ran away and raised an army and came back and attacked them
@redzkz: okay, sure, I can agree that the Dragon would be able to permanently kill Godzilla and his soul given a chance. However... He may not have that chance. Godzilla has MFTL movement and reaction speed feats, is the size of skyscraper and can hit as hard as Classic Thor, not to mention his Atomic Beams, which can travel at x30 the light speed, pack enough concentrated energy to destroy multiple solar systems, and Goji can change their curve at will. The point is, how physically strong, durable and fast is Prismatic Dragon? What stops Godzilla from annihilating him before he can even process a single thought?
With prep? Meaning that on random one-on-one battle he won't be able to win? Also, what exact gods did he face? Based and what you said, all these gods have different power levels. Also, how do these magic shields work? Are they automatically activated or does the Dragon need to create them himself?
The Dragon "level" is 66 and the greater gods are usually around level 60+. This means that the Dragon is as strong as the gods? Well, no, starting with the "Caster level", translating that, it means how strong your spells are.
The Dragon Caster level is 38, Mystra, the goddess of Magic, just before her death and the almost collapse of their multiverse in consequence of the magic ceasing to exist, was Caster Level 55, but there are also other factors to consider.
Being a god in D&D comes with a lot of benefits, you never fails your spells, have enough power and you can wish the entire world away, a regular caster, even a powerful one, must face the risks of using it. Also, you have mastery over the power of your followers. Beings killed by a magical god usually can't be ressurrected by any means etc usually taking away your portfolio is the best that someone can hope to do to a god.
So even if a god have the same level of the Dragon, the Divine Ranking and properties of a God would make it always a step ahead of the dragon, doesn't matter how powerful it is. The times that the gods were overthrown were, mainly, when:
A mortal had a LONG prep time
It lost their believers and something happened to their source of power
Another god killed it (That's what happened to Mystra)
That being said, without prep time, I don't think that the Prismatic Dragon is even remotely close to the greater gods of the D&Dverse. But I have no doubts that he could take a few wins against some of them. But against the likes of Mystra, Bane or IO, they could just blink him out of existance, negate any spell that he created or turn him into a powerless animal.
Even powerful magicians require a lot of time to use their best abilities and spells to their fullest extent, no Universal level feat in D&D was made in seconds, they required prep to some extent and a lot of time to activate. Also, any spells that have "Will" involved, can be resisted with enough willpower/intelligence as any that have "Fortitude" involved can be resisted by sheer physical might, will be Godzilla powerful enough in those aspects to resist? That's why I created this battle :P
Godzilla was able to casually resist a mindfuck from what was hinted to be an Abrahamic God. Even if it was not an actual God, that thing was still powerful enough to recreate the Earth and the Moon which were violently blown up during Godzilla's fight against SpaceGodzilla, as well as empower Godzilla so much that he was able to casually stomped amped SpaceGodzilla, who in base form contributed half the energy for the explosion that demolished the planet and send the debris flying past Moon's orbit and was able to tank the blasts of an equal power from Godzilla. Does that count as high level magic?
@redzkz: that's handy. The thing is, Godzilla has feats of high immunity to time manipulation. In A Space Godzilla story, he basically freely trevels through time and space, and one time he warps to a deserted universe where time flows in reverse and is completely unaffected. The other time he warps into a dimension where time takes solid form. It was described that Godzilla was mixed with it, but not only he was unnafected, but he completely healed. So I doubt that the time stop is going to stop Godzilla.
Auto-shields and auto-teleports may, however, be a problem. However, some questions about them: you said that the teleport is automatical, however, is there any indication his shields/teleports can react to something moving at MFTL speeds? And about shields: you said that with prep he they may be able to hold off one of the gods. Which gods exactly, since from you description of them I understood that they have different levels of power. Also, this battle is random encounter, without any prep. Any feats for the shields without prep? Because, well, as I mentioned earlier, Godzilla can spam multi-solar system attacks moving at x30 the speed of light, or he can just gauge his eyes off and use them as a universe-level explosive, which I mentioned earlier. And considering his godly regen, he can spam this attack as well, and it has a dimension-wide area of efdect, so only teleportation to the another dimension will work good enough to evade it.
Also, how will Prismatic Dragon counter being BFRd into a dimension where time flows in reverse, or into dimension where time takes solid form, or where the space bends you as origami, opens a dimensional plane open and contracts you in the direction of axis of space (no idea what that means, it's the quote from the story)?
@darthaznable: I will admit that I played D&D for about a year, during which I pulled a trick where my character hid his true power, turned into a lich and killed one of my teammates, then ran away and raised an army and came back and attacked them
I challenged Tiamat while I was a level 4 Paladin. She spit in me a drop of acid and I was turned into nothing, then we found a beggar (Which was Bahamut in disguise) that ressurrected me. We played for a year, we got the Orbs of Dragonkin, made a ritual to make her weaker, battled her and she still killed us. Bahamut appeared again and killed the weakened Tiamat, then saved us and turned us into dragons. That was funny.
@hiddenlight: Oh, Godzilla has enough will and fortitude. You see, his willpower is many times stressed in Godzilla media. He never surrenders from a fight and battles till his enemy is dead (or he is, but that happens rarely). He always faces the enemies even if they are stronger than him. Heck, in Godzilla in Hell his willpower was enough to resist God's mindfuck and assemble himself back from the bodies of demons who devoured his entire flesh seconds before (only bones were left), after what he blasted some Eldritch Abomination to bits and escaped hell. In GMK his vengeful spirit was enough to ressurect bim from being atomized, he didn't care about getting a hole blown in his body, hell, his heart was still beating while it was ONLY HEART THAT WAS LEFT OF HIM. In Kiryu Saga his spirit was strong enough to overpower and take over the computer of a cyborg that was build around his bones. So yeah, Godzilla's willpower is not something to joke around.
As for the fortitude... Godzilla was physically strong enough to stalemate Classic Thor, literally stomps Classic Savage Hulk and made Classic Hercules struggle to overpower his foot, and each of these guys had enough power to lift planet-sized weights. His durability is so high that a single cell of him survived inside of a black hole, after which it was thrown out of white hole and absorbed an entire star. So yeah, I'd say that Godzilla is mighty enough to break any spell based on "fortitude".
Okay then, I got the point about the gods. What is the strongest god Prismatic Dragon can beat/hold off without any prep? Also, you said that none of universal attacks in D&D were made in an instant, while Godzilla has one attack on that level of power which can potentially be spammed.
Coupled with the speed advantage, why can't Godzilla just perform that attack before the Dragon even has time to react?
Well, calculating using his strenght values, he can carry/lift at least 10,000 tons without much problem (May be a bit off, I'm rusty with the D&D system), his speed is 256km/h as put in the OP.
His breath weapon is a prismatic spray, which can cause random effects:
Can deal massive fire damage
Can deal massive ice damage
Can deal massive electricity damage
Can deliver a poison that instantly kills its opponent (Applying D&D Rules to this battle, Godzilla could resist)
Can turn the opponent into a stone statue (Godzilla could also resist).
Can make the target go completely insane and unable to take any actions.
Can BFR the opponent to a random plane
Can launch two rays with the effects above
Can protect himself with prismatic spheres and prismatic walls, those can only be pierced when damaged with specific spells and have the following effects:
While under this shield, he is invulnerable to regular energy damage and whoever tries to pass into the shield is subjected to the same effects of his breath weapon. Godzilla could probably physically pierce them but his breath atomic breath would be negated by default. The use that I've imagined would be the dragon staying in the air inside a prismatic sphere while preparing a spell to try to harm Godzilla.
Damage reduction: The dragon itself takes reduced damage from attacks
Well, those are the basic skills, I can go to the spells now that every dragon of this species have:
Hypnotic Pattern and Rainbow Pattern: He can make anyone that looks at him fascinated and less focused in the battle. This works more like a distraction than anything else.
Sunburst: A globe of searing radiance explodes in the point that the dragon wants, covering 80ft (24 meters) radius, it deals massive damage (Heat resistance should be enough to endure it though) and blinds the target.
Sunbeam: Same as above, except that instead of an AoE attack this is a beam of energy.
Now some spells that they usually have:
Temporal Stasis: You place the subject into a state of suspended animation. For the creature, time ceases to flow and its condition becomes fixed. The creature does not grow older. Its body functions virtually cease, and no force or effect can harm it. This state persists until the magic is removed.
Dominate Monster: You can control the actions of any creature through a telepathic link that you establish with the subject’s mind. If you and the subject have a common language, you can generally force the subject to perform as you desire, within the limits of its abilities. If no common language exists, you can communicate only basic commands, such as “Come here,” “Go there,” “Fight,” and “Stand still.” You know what the subject is experiencing, but you do not receive direct sensory input from it, nor can it communicate with you telepathically. Subjects resist this control, and any subject forced to take actions against its nature can try to resist with their willpower. Obviously self-destructive orders are not carried out. Once control is established, the range at which it can be exercised is unlimited, as long as you and the subject are on the same plane. You need not see the subject to control it.
Note: He can't make Godzilla suicide with this, self-destructive orders are ignored.
Time stop:This spell seems to make time cease to flow for everyone but you. In fact, you speed up so greatly that all other creatures seem frozen, though they are actually still moving at their normal speeds. You are free to act for 1d4+1 rounds roughly one minute of apparent time. Normal and magical fire, cold, gas, and the like can still harm you. While the time stop is in effect, other creatures are invulnerable to your attacks and spells; you cannot target such creatures with any attack or spell. A spell that affects an area and has a duration longer than the remaining duration of the time stop have their normal effects on other creatures once the time stop ends. Most spellcasters use the additional time to improve their defenses, summon allies, or flee from combat.
Wish: This one the link will explain better than me, basically besides recreating any spell, ressurrecting the dead (No use in battle), undo misfortune (Example: Godzilla tags and grabs him, he can wish that reality is altered in order to make this nonexistent, reality warping a new possibility when he wasn't tagget in the first place, basically the same as Izanagi). He can try to kill Godzilla by wishing him dead, but I don't know what would happen, too powerful wishes often are interpreted literally and in ways that may be prejudicial to the user.
Imprisonment: Seals the creature below Earth if the caster manages to touch it, if the target have exceptional willpower it may resist those effects. Not even reality warping can undo this spell, only specific mechanisms.
Summon Monster: Can summon creatures to help him in the battle, like hordes of colossal spiders, elementals or a lot more of creatures, there's a list in the link.
Just for reference, tiny is the little cat, then we have small, medium (human), large, huge, gargantuan and colossal (Red Dragon). For reference, the Prismatic Dragon is around 3 times bigger than the red dragon there.
I will not mention the frightful presence (A dragon ability that paralyzes almost anyone that sees them) because I don't think that Godzilla would be caught. Other abilities includes changing forms, size change (He can double its size or make himself human sized), turning the target into stone or into a tiny animal (Willpower and sheer durability negates this). Can also create walls of force that are completely immune to any kind of damage and works as a shield.
Again, I'm only showing basic tricks from a Prismatic Dragon this powerful, if someone with more knowledge than me comes this person will be able to explain more about its capabilities, it could basically have access to any regular spell in the game.
Just some clarifications
Well, as I'm using a D&D character I must make some things clear for some therms used there.
Fortitude is based on the physical constitution of the target, so spells that affect fortitude can be bypassed by beings with exceptional durability and vitality.
Willpower is mind related, basically anyone strong minded, or preferably with TP Resistance, can try to resist spells that affect this.
Reflex is based on the dexterity of the target, how fast he is and how fast he can react to threats.
Some of the spells posted above can be completely negated if the target is exceptionally impressive in the needed factor, while others can have their effects diminished by them.
@hiddenlight: Oh, Godzilla has enough will and fortitude. You see, his willpower is many times stressed in Godzilla media. He never surrenders from a fight and battles till his enemy is dead (or he is, but that happens rarely). He always faces the enemies even if they are stronger than him. Heck, in Godzilla in Hell his willpower was enough to resist God's mindfuck and assemble himself back from the bodies of demons who devoured his entire flesh seconds before (only bones were left), after what he blasted some Eldritch Abomination to bits and escaped hell. In GMK his vengeful spirit was enough to ressurect bim from being atomized, he didn't care about getting a hole blown in his body, hell, his heart was still beating while it was ONLY HEART THAT WAS LEFT OF HIM. In Kiryu Saga his spirit was strong enough to overpower and take over the computer of a cyborg that was build around his bones. So yeah, Godzilla's willpower is not something to joke around.
As for the fortitude... Godzilla was physically strong enough to stalemate Classic Thor, literally stomps Classic Savage Hulk and made Classic Hercules struggle to overpower his foot, and each of these guys had enough power to lift planet-sized weights. His durability is so high that a single cell of him survived inside of a black hole, after which it was thrown out of white hole and absorbed an entire star. So yeah, I'd say that Godzilla is mighty enough to break any spell based on "fortitude".
Okay then, I got the point about the gods. What is the strongest god Prismatic Dragon can beat/hold off without any prep? Also, you said that none of universal attacks in D&D were made in an instant, while Godzilla has one attack on that level of power which can potentially be spammed.
Coupled with the speed advantage, why can't Godzilla just perform that attack before the Dragon even has time to react?
He wouldn't be able to deal with Greater Deities, the power of their worship is insane, but I could see him taking on Intermediate Deities, which are a tier below the Greater Deities (TBH, even the greater aren't the most powerful ones, above then is IO, Lord Ao and "The Master").
From what I recall, no being did universal feats without prep besides the gods (Mystra almost destroyed the entire multiverse), but he have the right skills to endure those kinds of attacks with smart use of his spells (Beings on his level usually have shields prepared and can absorb energy attacks).
Also, his prismatic barriers can't be broken by energy based attacks, even though I think that Godzilla would be able to physically overpower them. Speedwise they should be on par, while at base Godzilla is massively superior, the Dragon can slow down time to make himself on pair with it (Time stop can freeze even light based attacks), even though I don't think that it would make Godzilla a statue, the spell itself work by accelerating the perspective of the user and we don't know to what extent that happens.
So... I don't think that either of them will have a speed advantage. With the spells working, the dragon should also be roughly equal to Godzilla durability wise and strenght wise (I only posted base values), but both have clear advantages over each other. Having access to almost every single spell in D&D gives the Dragon a massive versatility while the scale of Godzilla's raw power is beyond him to some extent. I do think that maybe Godzilla can endure those Will and fortitude based spells to some extent, but the Dragon can make indirect effects to make up for that. Instead of wishing to Godzilla be killed, he can wish to return Godzilla's attacks to himself or something like this. Honestly, I think that there are strategies for both sides here :P
Well, calculating using his strenght values, he can carry/lift at least 10,000 tons without much problem (May be a bit off, I'm rusty with the D&D system), his speed is 256km/h as put in the OP.
His breath weapon is a prismatic spray, which can cause random effects:
Can deal massive fire damage
Can deal massive ice damage
Can deal massive electricity damage
Can deliver a poison that instantly kills its opponent (Applying D&D Rules to this battle, Godzilla could resist)
Can turn the opponent into a stone statue (Godzilla could also resist).
Can make the target go completely insane and unable to take any actions.
Can BFR the opponent to a random plane
Can launch two rays with the effects above
Can protect himself with prismatic spheres and prismatic walls, those can only be pierced when damaged with specific spells and have the following effects:
While under this shield, he is invulnerable to regular energy damage and whoever tries to pass into the shield is subjected to the same effects of his breath weapon. Godzilla could probably physically pierce them but his breath atomic breath would be negated by default. The use that I've imagined would be the dragon staying in the air inside a prismatic sphere while preparing a spell to try to harm Godzilla.
Damage reduction: The dragon itself takes reduced damage from attacks
Well, those are the basic skills, I can go to the spells now that every dragon of this species have:
Hypnotic Pattern and Rainbow Pattern: He can make anyone that looks at him fascinated and less focused in the battle. This works more like a distraction than anything else.
Sunburst: A globe of searing radiance explodes in the point that the dragon wants, covering 80ft (24 meters) radius, it deals massive damage (Heat resistance should be enough to endure it though) and blinds the target.
Sunbeam: Same as above, except that instead of an AoE attack this is a beam of energy.
Now some spells that they usually have:
Temporal Stasis: You place the subject into a state of suspended animation. For the creature, time ceases to flow and its condition becomes fixed. The creature does not grow older. Its body functions virtually cease, and no force or effect can harm it. This state persists until the magic is removed.
Dominate Monster: You can control the actions of any creature through a telepathic link that you establish with the subject’s mind. If you and the subject have a common language, you can generally force the subject to perform as you desire, within the limits of its abilities. If no common language exists, you can communicate only basic commands, such as “Come here,” “Go there,” “Fight,” and “Stand still.” You know what the subject is experiencing, but you do not receive direct sensory input from it, nor can it communicate with you telepathically. Subjects resist this control, and any subject forced to take actions against its nature can try to resist with their willpower. Obviously self-destructive orders are not carried out. Once control is established, the range at which it can be exercised is unlimited, as long as you and the subject are on the same plane. You need not see the subject to control it.
Note: He can't make Godzilla suicide with this, self-destructive orders are ignored.
Time stop:This spell seems to make time cease to flow for everyone but you. In fact, you speed up so greatly that all other creatures seem frozen, though they are actually still moving at their normal speeds. You are free to act for 1d4+1 rounds roughly one minute of apparent time. Normal and magical fire, cold, gas, and the like can still harm you. While the time stop is in effect, other creatures are invulnerable to your attacks and spells; you cannot target such creatures with any attack or spell. A spell that affects an area and has a duration longer than the remaining duration of the time stop have their normal effects on other creatures once the time stop ends. Most spellcasters use the additional time to improve their defenses, summon allies, or flee from combat.
Wish: This one the link will explain better than me, basically besides recreating any spell, ressurrecting the dead (No use in battle), undo misfortune (Example: Godzilla tags and grabs him, he can wish that reality is altered in order to make this nonexistent, reality warping a new possibility when he wasn't tagget in the first place, basically the same as Izanagi). He can try to kill Godzilla by wishing him dead, but I don't know what would happen, too powerful wishes often are interpreted literally and in ways that may be prejudicial to the user.
Imprisonment: Seals the creature below Earth if the caster manages to touch it, if the target have exceptional willpower it may resist those effects. Not even reality warping can undo this spell, only specific mechanisms.
Summon Monster: Can summon creatures to help him in the battle, like hordes of colossal spiders, elementals or a lot more of creatures, there's a list in the link.
Just for reference, tiny is the little cat, then we have small, medium (human), large, huge, gargantuan and colossal (Red Dragon). For reference, the Prismatic Dragon is around 3 times bigger than the red dragon there.
I will not mention the frightful presence (A dragon ability that paralyzes almost anyone that sees them) because I don't think that Godzilla would be caught. Other abilities includes changing forms, size change (He can double its size or make himself human sized), turning the target into stone or into a tiny animal (Willpower and sheer durability negates this). Can also create walls of force that are completely immune to any kind of damage and works as a shield.
Again, I'm only showing basic tricks from a Prismatic Dragon this powerful, if someone with more knowledge than me comes this person will be able to explain more about its capabilities, it could basically have access to any regular spell in the game.
Just some clarifications
Well, as I'm using a D&D character I must make some things clear for some therms used there.
Fortitude is based on the physical constitution of the target, so spells that affect fortitude can be bypassed by beings with exceptional durability and vitality.
Willpower is mind related, basically anyone strong minded, or preferably with TP Resistance, can try to resist spells that affect this.
Reflex is based on the dexterity of the target, how fast he is and how fast he can react to threats.
Some of the spells posted above can be completely negated if the target is exceptionally impressive in the needed factor, while others can have their effects diminished by them.
D: This Dragon Kills Godzilla 2014 easily.
It's composite Godzilla now and the Dragon isn't restrained by those limits and spells, this is just some of him in base, he can power up and use permanent spells that a being like him probably have here. So... It's basically a battle of composite versions.
It doesn't matter. Wish will kill Godzilla, because someone like Great Wyrm knows how to exactly put his words so his wish worked. His wish is the death of Godzilla, not destruction of his body (you see the destruction of enemy body only is a common, very basic mistakes when casting Wish. It's literally a "student" mistake). Soul destruction is common, very common in DnD. All of epic level casters can survive without body, so attacking soul is a must move in any high level magic duel. Not to mention that such things as ghosts, wraiths and so on running around.
This is an easy win for the Dragon. even if Composite Godzilla, that dragon can kill even hulk,Goku SSGSS, Superman, etc only in a wish.
It doesn't matter. Wish will kill Godzilla, because someone like Great Wyrm knows how to exactly put his words so his wish worked. His wish is the death of Godzilla, not destruction of his body (you see the destruction of enemy body only is a common, very basic mistakes when casting Wish. It's literally a "student" mistake). Soul destruction is common, very common in DnD. All of epic level casters can survive without body, so attacking soul is a must move in any high level magic duel. Not to mention that such things as ghosts, wraiths and so on running around.
This is an easy win for the Dragon. even if Composite Godzilla, that dragon can kill even hulk,Goku SSGSS, Superman, etc only in a wish.
I don't think that the Wish can be used to directly kill, it never happened before, otherwise nobody would care to fight the Tarrasque (A being that must be killed and only then permanently killed by a wish), not even powerful beings could do that, instead, powerful mages usually fight each other and use the wish to make sure that their opponent will not be reborn, something that could really help against someone like Godzilla.
Wish isn't Omnipotence, it have clear limitations and straightfoward killing is beyond those. The dragon have other spells that can instantly kill their opponents though, but those can be resisted and Godzilla would probably just take damage instead. That being said, the Dragon's arsenal isn't limited to those kinds of spells.
@gojira2512: I wouldn't be so sure. Godzilla is still massively faster and has a chance of killing the Dragon before he even thinks of a wish.
@hiddenlight: yeah, both opponents have a lot of room for operation in this scenario.
Alright, how exactly powerful are he Inermediate Deities?
Time stop can freeze even light attacks, but Godzilla is massively faster than light. Like, his beam can move at x30 the light speed, he himself can react and move at speeds from x600 (lowest speed needed to react to SpaceGodzilla's FTL crystals) to x500000000 (aproximate speed needed to react to Sunerians' MFTL radio waves). Plus I have already mentioned above why time stop is not gonna work effictively against Godzilla: in A Space Godzilla story, he basically freely trevels through time and space, and one time he warps to a deserted universe where time flows in reverse and is completely unaffected. The other time he warps into a dimension where time takes solid form. It was described that Godzilla was mixed with it, but not only he was unnafected, but he completely healed. So yeah, Godzilla still has a definite edge in speed.
Okay, what is the strongest energy attack the shields have endured? Same question for physical attacks.
Okay, to what exact level can the spells boost Dragon's strength and durability? Returning Godzilla's attacks back at him will not likely work: even though his own attacks will definitely be able to hurt him, he has a crazy regen to instantly heal any wounds. Even the reduction to a single cell or atomization won't stop him from regenerating. What other spells can probably help Dragon in this match?
So that's how I think the fight may end quickly: Godzilla rushes to Prismatic Dragon at speeds he can't process and breaks his shields with his brute strength, after which he finishes the shieldless Dragon with either energy attack or physical attacks. All before Dragon has time to react, even with the time stop working Godzilla being many times quicker due to enormous speed in base and resistance to space-time manipulations.
@gojira2512: I wouldn't be so sure. Godzilla is massively faster and has a chance of killing the Dragon before he even thinks of a wish.
@hiddenlight: yeah, both opponents have a room for operation in this scenario.
Alright, how exactly powerful are he Inermediate Deities?
Planet level from what we've seen, some may be Universe level with sheer use of Hax. Some portfolios allows the gods to pretty much just straightfoward kill the enemy unless it have some kind of divine ranking, those will kill the dragon unless he use some crazy protection.
Time stop can freeze even light attacks, but Godzilla is massively faster than light. Like, his beam can move at x30 the ligh speed, he himself can react and move at speeds from x600 (lowest speed needed to react to SpaceGodzilla's FTL crystals) to x500000000 (aproximate speed needed to react to Sunerians' MFTL radio waves). Plus I have already mentioned above why time stop is not gonna work effictively against Godzilla: in A Space Godzilla story, he basically freely trevels through time and space, and one time he warps to a deserted universe where time flows in reverse and is completely unaffected. The other time he warps into a dimension where time takes solid form. It was described that Godzilla was mixed with it, but not only he was unnafected, but he completely healed. So yeah, Godzilla still has a definite edge in speed.
Time stop doesn't work by slowing time down exactly, it rather accelerates the user so it's like sheer speed (But he does have attacks that manipulate time, as mentioned above). The fact that he can possibly move faster than light wouldn't put him far below Godzilla, as of now, it may be a NLF, but combined with spells like Haste and transmutation, I'm pretty sure that the Dragon could react to Zilla to some extent. Also, spells frequently used permanently by wizards like foresight would help the dragon to predict Godzilla.
Okay, what is the strongest energy attack the shields have endured? Same question for physical attacks.
His prismatic barrier just eat any energy attack, but it can be bypassed by sheer physical strenght as long as whomever is trying have godlike willpower in this case. The Force Barrier on the other hand is immune to any kind of damage but doesn't have the effects of the prismatic barrier, and can't be moved, so this would probably work as a standard shield.
Okay, to what exact level can the spells boost Dragon's strength and durability? Returning Godzilla's attacks back at him will not likely work: even though his own attacks will definitely be able to hurt him, he has a crazy regen to instantly heal any wounds. Even the reduction to a single cell or atomization won't stop him from regenerating. What other spells can probably help Dragon in this match?
BFR, send him into a dream dimension, becoming ethereal permanently (Intangible, invisible and unable to be detected through senses, immune to all kind of damage etc), or, in other words, essentially becoming a ghost, while still being able to affect the material plane with his spells, creating time duplicates, stealing the kinetic energy from Zilla and sending the attack back to him. Using Epic Repulsion impeding Godzilla from approaching him or attacking him etc
So that's how I think the fight may end quickly: Godzilla rushes to Prismatic Dragon at speeds he can't process and breaks his shields with his brute strength, after which he finishes the shieldless Dragon with either energy attack or physical attacks. All before Dragon has time to react, even with the time stop working Godzilla being many times quicker due to enormous speed in base and resistance to space-time manipulations.
It doesn't matter. Wish will kill Godzilla, because someone like Great Wyrm knows how to exactly put his words so his wish worked. His wish is the death of Godzilla, not destruction of his body (you see the destruction of enemy body only is a common, very basic mistakes when casting Wish. It's literally a "student" mistake). Soul destruction is common, very common in DnD. All of epic level casters can survive without body, so attacking soul is a must move in any high level magic duel. Not to mention that such things as ghosts, wraiths and so on running around.
This is an easy win for the Dragon. even if Composite Godzilla, that dragon can kill even hulk,Goku SSGSS, Superman, etc only in a wish.
I don't think that the Wish can be used to directly kill, it never happened before, otherwise nobody would care to fight the Tarrasque (A being that must be killed and only then permanently killed by a wish), not even powerful beings could do that, instead, powerful mages usually fight each other and use the wish to make sure that their opponent will not be reborn, something that could really help against someone like Godzilla.
Wish isn't Omnipotence, it have clear limitations and straightfoward killing is beyond those. The dragon have other spells that can instantly kill their opponents though, but those can be resisted and Godzilla would probably just take damage instead. That being said, the Dragon's arsenal isn't limited to those kinds of spells.
I see... in that case Godzilla could have a oporttunity.
@hiddenlight: I am gonna reply to your points later, cause now I am in no state to write long-ass essays.
BTW, how big is Prismatic Dragon supposed to be? You said as big as movie Smaug, but he was 130 meters in length, so I kinda doubt Prismatic Dragon is so huge.
@hiddenlight: I am gonna reply to your points later, cause now I am in no state to write long-ass essays.
BTW, how big is Prismatic Dragon supposed to be? You said as big as movie Smaug, but he was 130 meters in length, so I kinda doubt Prismatic Dragon is so huge.
About three times the size of the red dragon there. Human for reference (The chubby guy).
@hiddenlight: I am gonna reply to your points later, cause now I am in no state to write long-ass essays.
BTW, how big is Prismatic Dragon supposed to be? You said as big as movie Smaug, but he was 130 meters in length, so I kinda doubt Prismatic Dragon is so huge.
About three times the size of the red dragon there. Human for reference (The chubby guy).
Planet level from what we've seen, some may be Universe level with sheer use of Hax. Some portfolios allows the gods to pretty much just straightfoward kill the enemy unless it have some kind of divine ranking, those will kill the dragon unless he use some crazy protection.
Godzilla is way above planet level in strength, dura and firepower, as well as one potentially spammable universal attack. If these gods can wreck the Dragon, than Godzilla has all the chances IMO.
Time stop doesn't work by slowing time down exactly, it rather accelerates the user so it's like sheer speed (But he does have attacks that manipulate time, as mentioned above). The fact that he can possibly move faster than light wouldn't put him far below Godzilla, as of now, it may be a NLF, but combined with spells like Haste and transmutation, I'm pretty sure that the Dragon could react to Zilla to some extent. Also, spells frequently used permanently by wizards like foresight would help the dragon to predict Godzilla.
How fast does Haste and Time Stop make Prismatic Dragon anyway? Because, well, you mentioned in OP that he can reach speeds of 254 km/h, and even if this speed is boosted by billion, he is still not gonna be even close to Godzilla's speed (at least x600 the light speed, remember?). Also, transmutation is not gonna work for two reasons: first, instant regen, and second, consistent showings of extremely high resistance to things meant to target his atomic/molecular structure (black holes, absolute zero temperatures, Oxygen Destroyer). So yeah, Godzilla is still many times faster than Dragon to the point he can still effortlessly blitz him. And I have already mentioned why the actual time manipulation won't properly work on him. Also, foresight can't help him react faster to Godzilla. He will know what comes next, but he won't have the reflexes to dodge it or do anything.
His prismatic barrier just eat any energy attack, but it can be bypassed by sheer physical strenght as long as whomever is trying have godlike willpower in this case. The Force Barrier on the other hand is immune to any kind of damage but doesn't have the effects of the prismatic barrier, and can't be moved, so this would probably work as a standard shield.
This means that prismatic barrior is gonna be broken, and fast. I have already mentioned how strong is Godzilla, both physically and mentally, so it won't be a problem. The Force Barrior however... Is it another auto-shield? Can it be bypassed somehow? What do you mean by "it can't be moved"? Also, what effects are you talking about?
BFR, send him into a dream dimension, becoming ethereal permanently (Intangible, invisible and unable to be detected through senses, immune to all kind of damage etc), or, in other words, essentially becoming a ghost, while still being able to affect the material plane with his spells, creating time duplicates, stealing the kinetic energy from Zilla and sending the attack back to him. Using Epic Repulsion impeding Godzilla from approaching him or attacking him etc.
BFR and sending Goji to another dimensions won't work. He can fly, both with the help of his Atomic Breath and without it, and he can warp between dimensions freely. Becoming ethereal and stealing kinetic energy sounds like a good option, though he won't be able to cast ANY spell if Godzilla blitzes him. Sending back Godzilla's attack is not gonna be effective due to his regen. Repulsion may help, but, again, if Dragon won't get blitzed before he can even think of a spell. And what the creation of time duplicates exactly does?
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