#1 Posted by JeraldMay (2 posts) - - Show Bio

Кто кого, сучары?

#3 Posted by Hulkman123 (1706 posts) - - Show Bio

MM easily.

#4 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

Mismatch.

#5 Posted by All_Mighty_Beyonder (1577 posts) - - Show Bio

mismatch, Owen erase him from existence.

you're new here i think, so i'll put to you how i look to the power hierarchy in MU

  1. The One Above All / The Fulcrum
  2. The Beyonder (Pre retcon) / Thanos with the Heart Of The Universe ( i'm putting them in the same rank to avoid debates)
  3. Molecule Man (Pre retcon)
  4. Scathan
  5. Protege
  6. Living Tribunal
  7. Nemesis
  8. Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
  9. The Alien Entity
  10. Sise-Neg
  11. The Infinites
  12. ...
#6 Posted by Rijehu (535 posts) - - Show Bio
#7 Edited by cdiddyman911 (2529 posts) - - Show Bio

Molecule Man

#8 Edited by Frocharocha (2284 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Posted by Rijehu (535 posts) - - Show Bio

So his only feat is holding a glowing ball of energy? Heck Videl did that in DBZ...SPITE

#10 Edited by Bronze_Surfer (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu: No. He caused a new big bang shortly after. Could be argued he recreated the marvel universe/multiverse depending on how you view it

#11 Posted by Rijehu (535 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu: No. He caused a new big bang shortly after. Could be argued he recreated the marvel universe/multiverse depending on how you view it

Thaaat's more like it. But we ALL know how these PR MM or PR Beyonder threads go so...it is still probably a Spite.

#12 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (17304 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu said:

So his only feat is holding a glowing ball of energy? Heck Videl did that in DBZ...SPITE

ooh snap.

#13 Posted by Rijehu (535 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu said:

So his only feat is holding a glowing ball of energy? Heck Videl did that in DBZ...SPITE

ooh snap.

Too rude?

#14 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (17304 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@rijehu said:

So his only feat is holding a glowing ball of energy? Heck Videl did that in DBZ...SPITE

ooh snap.

Too rude?

no. just the right amount to be funny.

#15 Posted by JwwProd (9457 posts) - - Show Bio

Molecule Man is on a whole different level to the Alien Entity.

#16 Posted by Rijehu (535 posts) - - Show Bio

@rijehu said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@rijehu said:

So his only feat is holding a glowing ball of energy? Heck Videl did that in DBZ...SPITE

ooh snap.

Too rude?

no. just the right amount to be funny.

lol Well thank you

#17 Posted by New_World_Order (13182 posts) - - Show Bio

A few beings can stand up to Pre Recton Beyonder, but I don't believe the Alien Entity is one.

#18 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

Molecule Man stomps.

@rijehu said:

@rolldestroyer: Who is the Alien Entity?

Alien Entity is the guy who needed Reed's help to recreate a single universe, and got owned by bullets.

This isn't debatable. Owen stomps.

#19 Posted by Rijehu (535 posts) - - Show Bio

@frocharocha said:

Molecule Man stomps.

@rijehu said:

@rolldestroyer: Who is the Alien Entity?

Alien Entity is the guy who needed Reed's help to recreate a single universe, and got owned by bullets.

This isn't debatable. Owen stomps.

Concurred

#20 Posted by Apocalypse3 (1487 posts) - - Show Bio

Molecule man is the 4th best in mu after One above all then thanos with heart of universethe Lt then mm

#21 Posted by JwwProd (9457 posts) - - Show Bio

@apocalypse3 said:

Molecule man is the 4th best in mu after One above all then thanos with heart of universethe Lt then mm

Your forgot Pre-Retcon Beyonder and Protege ;)

#22 Posted by eternityx (2778 posts) - - Show Bio

@apocalypse3:

TOAA >= PR Beyonder >= Thanos HoTU > PR Molecule Man > Scathan > Protege > Living Tribunal > Everything else combined

#23 Posted by cbann (28 posts) - - Show Bio

@all_mighty_beyonder: WRONG.

2) LIVING TRIBUNAL

Show me ONE FEAT where the beyonder threatened or engaged the living tribunal. ONE FEAT LETS SEE IT

3) SCATHAN? SINCE WHEN ?

#24 Posted by TheKing47 (961 posts) - - Show Bio

@cbann said:

@all_mighty_beyonder: WRONG.

2) LIVING TRIBUNAL

Show me ONE FEAT where the beyonder threatened or engaged the living tribunal. ONE FEAT LETS SEE IT

3) SCATHAN? SINCE WHEN ?

Beyonder > LT, it was stated multiple times on panel that Beyonder was the most powerful being in existence then MM, even with scans with LT in it, it was said that Beyonder was more powerful than everyone combine.

Not only this, but the writers also back it up, they've said that Beyonder is basically TOAA.

Also, Scathan since he owned Protege who owned LT.

#25 Posted by Lord44 (1423 posts) - - Show Bio

@apocalypse3:

TOAA >= PR Beyonder >= Thanos HoTU > PR Molecule Man > Scathan > Protege > Living Tribunal > Everything else combined

That's flawless

#26 Posted by SirNeko (994 posts) - - Show Bio

@cbann said:

@all_mighty_beyonder: WRONG.

2) LIVING TRIBUNAL

Show me ONE FEAT where the beyonder threatened or engaged the living tribunal. ONE FEAT LETS SEE IT

3) SCATHAN? SINCE WHEN ?

Beyonder > LT, it was stated multiple times on panel that Beyonder was the most powerful being in existence then MM, even with scans with LT in it, it was said that Beyonder was more powerful than everyone combine.

Not only this, but the writers also back it up, they've said that Beyonder is basically TOAA.

Also, Scathan since he owned Protege who owned LT.

Didn't Beyonder get his powers stolen? Also statements are not feats.

#27 Posted by Etheral_Dreams (1248 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Edited by TheKing47 (961 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirneko said:

@theking47 said:

@cbann said:

@all_mighty_beyonder: WRONG.

2) LIVING TRIBUNAL

Show me ONE FEAT where the beyonder threatened or engaged the living tribunal. ONE FEAT LETS SEE IT

3) SCATHAN? SINCE WHEN ?

Beyonder > LT, it was stated multiple times on panel that Beyonder was the most powerful being in existence then MM, even with scans with LT in it, it was said that Beyonder was more powerful than everyone combine.

Not only this, but the writers also back it up, they've said that Beyonder is basically TOAA.

Also, Scathan since he owned Protege who owned LT.

Didn't Beyonder get his powers stolen? Also statements are not feats.

Yep, by Doom. Also, it's 100% clear that Beyonder is superior to LT, LT has proclaimed himself to be the guardian of the Multiverse, yet when Beyonder threatened to destroy him and the Multiverse, he dared not challenge him because he knew he would lose, it's pretty much common sense that Beyonder is supreme.

#29 Posted by JwwProd (9457 posts) - - Show Bio
@sirneko said:

@theking47 said:

@cbann said:

@all_mighty_beyonder: WRONG.

2) LIVING TRIBUNAL

Show me ONE FEAT where the beyonder threatened or engaged the living tribunal. ONE FEAT LETS SEE IT

3) SCATHAN? SINCE WHEN ?

Beyonder > LT, it was stated multiple times on panel that Beyonder was the most powerful being in existence then MM, even with scans with LT in it, it was said that Beyonder was more powerful than everyone combine.

Not only this, but the writers also back it up, they've said that Beyonder is basically TOAA.

Also, Scathan since he owned Protege who owned LT.

Didn't Beyonder get his powers stolen? Also statements are not feats.

Beyonder wasn't being serious when Doom stole his powers.

#30 Posted by cbann (28 posts) - - Show Bio

@theking47 said:

@sirneko said:

@theking47 said:

@cbann said:

@all_mighty_beyonder: WRONG.

2) LIVING TRIBUNAL

Show me ONE FEAT where the beyonder threatened or engaged the living tribunal. ONE FEAT LETS SEE IT

3) SCATHAN? SINCE WHEN ?

Beyonder > LT, it was stated multiple times on panel that Beyonder was the most powerful being in existence then MM, even with scans with LT in it, it was said that Beyonder was more powerful than everyone combine.

Not only this, but the writers also back it up, they've said that Beyonder is basically TOAA.

Also, Scathan since he owned Protege who owned LT.

Didn't Beyonder get his powers stolen? Also statements are not feats.

Yep, by Doom. Also, it's 100% clear that Beyonder is superior to LT, LT has proclaimed himself to be the guardian of the Multiverse, yet when Beyonder threatened to destroy him and the Multiverse, he dared not challenge him because he knew he would lose, it's pretty much common sense that Beyonder is supreme.

@theking47: PROOF THE LT even engaged or was bothered by the BEYONDER

WHERE ARE THE SCANS?

#31 Posted by MysticMedivh (2246 posts) - - Show Bio

@cbann The Living Tribunal and his Cosmic Assembly/Court was begging PR-Beyonder not remove Death from the Multiverse. PR-Beyonder told them off and did so anyways. The Living Tribunal and his Cosmic Assembly/Court also beheld PR-Molecule Man's presence and stepped aside for him to pass through. Also keep in mind that LT's job is to keep balance in the multiverse, PR-Beyonder was wreaking havoc and disrupting the natural order of the universe, yet the Living Tribunal stood aside and did nothing. In-fact, they had to beg PR-Molecule Man to help him, but that didn't go well.

#32 Posted by cbann (28 posts) - - Show Bio

@mysticmedivh: Thats not true. They went to see Beyonder and his friend at the resturant and asked him to but no where did he try to stop him. Of note when Thanos with the IG wrecked Eternity the LT also did not step in or get involved. Him not getting involved shows such petty things are BENEATH him.

And where are the scans of LT begging anyone for help EVER?

#33 Posted by cbann (28 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirneko: Exactly. Dr Doom of all people stole Pre Retcon Beyonders powers. I mean are you serious? That's supposed to be above the LT?

#34 Posted by MysticMedivh (2246 posts) - - Show Bio

@cbann said:

@mysticmedivh: Thats not true. They went to see Beyonder and his friend at the resturant and asked him to but no where did he try to stop him. Of note when Thanos with the IG wrecked Eternity the LT also did not step in or get involved. Him not getting involved shows such petty things are BENEATH him.

And where are the scans of LT begging anyone for help EVER?

In an interview with Jim Shooter, creator of the Beyonder

The Beyonder is basically the "The One Above All" of his own multiverse. "For the Beyonder it was like when Dutch inventor, Van Leeuwenhoek, looked through his microscope and discovered little paramecia swimming in a drop of water." For those of you who don't know, this is what a single paramecium looks like in a microscope.

We are only beginning to get a sense as to how absolutely insignificant the Marvel Multiverse is as the Beyonder looks down upon it, the very Multiverse the Living Tribunal simultaneously exists in and governs.

Beyonder erases an entire galaxy. Thor says "Swept away... Like dust before some unseen, giant hand!"

As the Beyonder creates his own planet Dr. Doom says "The power necessary... It's incalculable... Inconceivable! Awe inspiring... Humbling... Feats dwarding the wildest imaginations of the Gods!"

Galactus begs the Beyonder to end his hunger, both Galactus and Doctor Doom are swatted like flies. Professor Xavier says "To the Beyonder, even Galactus is less than a fly, Captain!"

Everything, from the inanimate to the living, sub-atomic particles to lifeforms, all bow down before the might of the Beyonder.

In his rage, an entire galaxy is destroyed, but the Beyonder resurrects Dazzler.

The Beyonder casually explores the Multiverse and all of which that exists in all of reality.

The Beyonder can have anything he wants.

The Beyonder gives the Celestials three seconds before he ends all of creation, the Celestials attack the Beyonder but are nothing thanks to the Beyonder's omniscience, as he effortlessly defeats all of them in mere moments.

The Beyonder erases Death itself from the Multiverse, the Living Tribunal and his delegation politely beg the Beyonder to bring back Death to the Multiverse. The Beyonder tells "We're the real champions of life! We know what to do! And we're going to do it!" Clearly, the Living Tribunal does not have any authority or power over the Beyonder. Molecule Man arrives and the entire delegation beholds, as they move aside in awe at his presence, including the Living Tribunal. The Beyonder gets annoyed and simply brings back Death to the Multiverse.

The Beyonder is bigger than the Multiverse, and more powerful than all of the forces within it combined, the very Multiverse the Living Tribunal simultaneously exists in. "As long as I'm here, the "way" of the Multiverse is my way!" He clearly has more authority than the Living Tribunal. The Beyonder's very presence alters the Multiverse.

Not enough? The Beyonder is still vastly more powerful than the Living Tribunal and his Cosmic Assembly combined.

His anger causes multiversal destruction.

Just by standing there the entire universe is being destroyed.

He is

millions of times more powerful than all the power in the multiverse combined, which includes the Living Tribunal.

The Beyonder is omnipotent.

Everything in all of existence feels the Multiversal tremors that is caused by the Beyonder and Molecule Man's fury. Molecule Man is defeated and a path of destruction that reaches to the ends of infinity erupts.

The Beyonder always has been, and always shall be.

Nothing in existence can destroy him.

When the Beyonder was causing multiversal havoc, when he was disrupting the natural order of the universe, the Living Tribunal did nothing. The Living Tribunal had no authority over the Beyonder, even though one of his main responsibilities is to maintain order across the multiverse. His Cosmic Assembly/Court had to beg him to stop, but the Beyonder just told him off. In-fact, because the situation was so dire, Uatu from the Living Tribunal's Cosmic Assembly/Court had to go Pre-Recton Molecule Man and beg him to help them in stopping the Beyonder. But that didn't end well.

In this scan it states that Owen Reeds, Pre-Recton Molecule Man, is mightier than all other beings in the multiverse, which includes a picture of the Living Tribunal. Yet Molecule Man only lasted seconds against the Beyonder.

The verdict? Pre-Recton Beyonder is well above the Living Tribunal. If you read every single scan, there is no doubt about this. In-fact, it's a widely accepted fact. There is no denying the truth, only acceptance.

Anyways, this is not only a massive mismatch but is banned as well. The scans are sufficient enough to put this argument to an end. /THREAD. The end. @jedixman @saren @god_spawn @bumpyboo Can you lock this please?

#35 Posted by MysticMedivh (2246 posts) - - Show Bio

@cbann said:

@sirneko: Exactly. Dr Doom of all people stole Pre Retcon Beyonders powers. I mean are you serious? That's supposed to be above the LT?

If you read the comic you would know that Doctor Doom attempted to steal Beyonder's powers with one of Galactus's devices and powers. For the moment, it seemed like it had worked, but it backfired. In-fact, I remember reading that the Beyonder let him do so knowing that he could never handle such power.

#36 Posted by mohammed_alg_92 (488 posts) - - Show Bio

alien entity

#37 Edited by Hulkman123 (1706 posts) - - Show Bio
#38 Posted by mohammed_alg_92 (488 posts) - - Show Bio

@hulkman123 alien entity created a galaxy while molecule man barely carried a mountain in secret wars

#39 Posted by Hulkman123 (1706 posts) - - Show Bio

@mohammed_alg_92:

Molecule Man created a blast so powerful it could destroy billions of dimensions, he also created a galaxy.

#40 Posted by mohammed_alg_92 (488 posts) - - Show Bio

@hulkman123 srry i didnt know that i guess molecule man stomps :)