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#1 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7906 posts) - - Show Bio

                                                                 
#2 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio

MM could match beyonder thus MM>>>>>>>LT
#3 Posted by King Saturn (224742 posts) - - Show Bio
Classic Molecule Man would win here...
#4 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7906 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"MM could match beyonder thus MM>>>>>>>LT "

I've heard people say that MM admitted that he was out of Eternity and Living Tribunal's league.
#5 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

MM

#6 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mjolnir Wielder said:
"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"MM could match beyonder thus MM>>>>>>>LT "
I've heard people say that MM admitted that he was out of Eternity and Living Tribunal's league. "
sounded like after the retcon, since eternity bowed to MM at one point
#7 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7906 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:
"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"MM could match beyonder thus MM>>>>>>>LT "
I've heard people say that MM admitted that he was out of Eternity and Living Tribunal's league. "
sounded like after the retcon, since eternity bowed to MM at one point "

That also might have been Cosmic Cube MM.
#8 Posted by Stormultt (5317 posts) - - Show Bio

MM loses to me because i am omniversal, the beginning and the end, alpha and omega. i am the very something that created nothing before the universe was SOMETHING!. 
 
lol MM wins
#9 Posted by Johnny_Nemesis (2170 posts) - - Show Bio
@Stormultt said:
" MM loses to me because i am omniversal, the beginning and the end, alpha and omega. i am the very something that created nothing before the universe was SOMETHING!.  lol MM wins "
be quiet..or else
#10 Posted by Johnny_Nemesis (2170 posts) - - Show Bio

Stormultt kicks puppies for fun

#11 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:
"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"MM could match beyonder thus MM>>>>>>>LT "
I've heard people say that MM admitted that he was out of Eternity and Living Tribunal's league. "
sounded like after the retcon, since eternity bowed to MM at one point "
The LT begged to Owen pre retcon too.
#12 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7906 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:
"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"MM could match beyonder thus MM>>>>>>>LT "
I've heard people say that MM admitted that he was out of Eternity and Living Tribunal's league. "
sounded like after the retcon, since eternity bowed to MM at one point "
The LT begged to Owen pre retcon too. "

Yea pretty much everyone, with the exception of PR Beyonder and TOAA, bow down to MM.
#13 Posted by High Revolutionary (3171 posts) - - Show Bio

Again, Pre-ret Molecule Man was not omnipotent nor omniscient.
 
LT has been shown to be both. 
 
LT watching Beyonder kill death means peanuts.
 
LT wins.

#14 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
"Again, Pre-ret Molecule Man was not omnipotent nor omniscient.  LT has been shown to be both.   LT watching Beyonder kill death means peanuts. LT wins. "


LT could not do anything to beyonder and MM cwas the only one who could match him, LT gets owned.
#15 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
" Again, Pre-ret Molecule Man was not omnipotent nor omniscient.  LT has been shown to be both.   LT watching Beyonder kill death means peanuts. LT wins. "
The LT begged Molecule Man..It doesnt matter if you're omnipotent or omniscent if you have to beg another for help..he should be stronger than you
#16 Posted by High Revolutionary (3171 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth: 
LT didn't beg.  All he did was watch.
#17 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @High Revolutionary said:
" Again, Pre-ret Molecule Man was not omnipotent nor omniscient.  LT has been shown to be both.   LT watching Beyonder kill death means peanuts. LT wins. "
The LT begged Molecule Man..It doesnt matter if you're omnipotent or omniscent if you have to beg another for help..he should be stronger than you "
LT didn't beg.  All he did was watch.  Beyonder suggested he wasn't really omnipotent as he doubted he could bring death back from the dead. Its all right there.  "
and yet he DID so ha, and also LT got punked out by the HOTU and beyonder is on par if not above that it some sense
#18 Posted by High Revolutionary (3171 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @High Revolutionary said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @High Revolutionary said:
" Again, Pre-ret Molecule Man was not omnipotent nor omniscient.  LT has been shown to be both.   LT watching Beyonder kill death means peanuts. LT wins. "
The LT begged Molecule Man..It doesnt matter if you're omnipotent or omniscent if you have to beg another for help..he should be stronger than you "
LT didn't beg.  All he did was watch.  Beyonder suggested he wasn't really omnipotent as he doubted he could bring death back from the dead. Its all right there.  "
and yet he DID so ha, and also LT got punked out by the HOTU and beyonder is on par if not above that it some sense "
Just because he did it doesn't mean he was omnipotent.
 
THOTU is above pre-ret beyonder as far as power goes IMO.
#19 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
" @geraldthesloth:  LT didn't beg.  All he did was watch. "

  Whose face is in the beings represented as being under him in power..the LT
#20 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @High Revolutionary said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @High Revolutionary said:
" Again, Pre-ret Molecule Man was not omnipotent nor omniscient.  LT has been shown to be both.   LT watching Beyonder kill death means peanuts. LT wins. "
The LT begged Molecule Man..It doesnt matter if you're omnipotent or omniscent if you have to beg another for help..he should be stronger than you "
LT didn't beg.  All he did was watch.  Beyonder suggested he wasn't really omnipotent as he doubted he could bring death back from the dead. Its all right there.  "
and yet he DID so ha, and also LT got punked out by the HOTU and beyonder is on par if not above that it some sense "
Just because he did it doesn't mean he was omnipotent.  THOTU is above pre-ret beyonder as far as power goes IMO. "


 
tronger then all the multiverse put together by ALOT
#21 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
" Again, Pre-ret Molecule Man was not omnipotent nor omniscient.  LT has been shown to be both.   LT watching Beyonder kill death means peanuts. LT wins. "
He has not been shown to be Omnipotenet, because Thanos w/HOTU did kicked his butt.   LT is nigh-Omnipotent, but so is PR MM.
 
@High Revolutionary said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @High Revolutionary said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @High Revolutionary said:
" Again, Pre-ret Molecule Man was not omnipotent nor omniscient.  LT has been shown to be both.   LT watching Beyonder kill death means peanuts. LT wins. "
The LT begged Molecule Man..It doesnt matter if you're omnipotent or omniscent if you have to beg another for help..he should be stronger than you "
LT didn't beg.  All he did was watch.  Beyonder suggested he wasn't really omnipotent as he doubted he could bring death back from the dead. Its all right there.  "
and yet he DID so ha, and also LT got punked out by the HOTU and beyonder is on par if not above that it some sense "
Just because he did it doesn't mean he was omnipotent.  THOTU is above pre-ret beyonder as far as power goes IMO. "

In your opinion, you can claim that - but it is still wrong.  The original concept for PR Beyonder was as the supreme being of his own multiverse that had not yet been created (it was at the end of secret wars II).  PR Beyonder = TOAA = THOTU (irregardless of what you want).  PR MM at the time was second only to the forementioned list which puts him above LT.
#22 Posted by High Revolutionary (3171 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" @High Revolutionary said:
" @geraldthesloth:  LT didn't beg.  All he did was watch. "

  Whose face is in the beings represented as being under him in power..the LT "
That was like when Thanos was described as being the most powerful being in the multiverse when he had the IG.  
 
Narration isn't an accurate measure of power.
#23 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @High Revolutionary said:
" @geraldthesloth:  LT didn't beg.  All he did was watch. "

  Whose face is in the beings represented as being under him in power..the LT "
That was like when Thanos was described as being the most powerful being in the multiverse when he had the IG.    Narration isn't an accurate measure of power. "


 


 


 
#24 Posted by High Revolutionary (3171 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tevnoba said:
" He has not been shown to be Omnipotenet, because Thanos w/HOTU did kicked his butt.   LT is nigh-Omnipotent, but so is PR MM.
 
 
 THOTU was the power of TOAA.  You can't say something isn't omnipotent when it can't stand against the power of the TOAA.  TOAA isn't even an actual character.
 
LT is well established as being the greatest power below TOAA (and is an actual character).  He'd be the omnipotent character. 
 
 
 
@Tevnoba said:
" In your opinion, you can claim that - but it is still wrong.  The original concept for PR Beyonder was as the supreme being of his own multiverse that had not yet been created (it was at the end of secret wars II).  PR Beyonder = TOAA = THOTU (irregardless of what you want).  PR MM at the time was second only to the forementioned list which puts him above LT. "

The supreme being has no limitations and has infinite knowledge and control.  Beyonder had knowledge and other limitations as stated by himself when he resurrected death.
#25 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
" @Tevnoba said:
" He has not been shown to be Omnipotenet, because Thanos w/HOTU did kicked his butt.   LT is nigh-Omnipotent, but so is PR MM.
 
 
 THOTU was the power of TOAA.  You can't say something isn't omnipotent when it can't stand against the power of the TOAA.  TOAA isn't even an actual character.
 
LT is well established as being the greatest power below TOAA (and is an actual character).  He'd be the omnipotent character. 
 
 
 
@Tevnoba said:
" In your opinion, you can claim that - but it is still wrong.  The original concept for PR Beyonder was as the supreme being of his own multiverse that had not yet been created (it was at the end of secret wars II).  PR Beyonder = TOAA = THOTU (irregardless of what you want).  PR MM at the time was second only to the forementioned list which puts him above LT. "
The supreme being has no limitations and has infinite knowledge and control.  Beyonder had knowledge and other limitations as stated by himself when he resurrected death. "
and yet LT was not able to STOP him from killing death, your point is moot many times is it shown that beyonder is FAR above LT and MM was the only one to match beyonder thus MM>>>LT
#26 Edited by High Revolutionary (3171 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @High Revolutionary said:

" @Tevnoba said:

" He has not been shown to be Omnipotenet, because Thanos w/HOTU did kicked his butt.   LT is nigh-Omnipotent, but so is PR MM.
 
 
 THOTU was the power of TOAA.  You can't say something isn't omnipotent when it can't stand against the power of the TOAA.  TOAA isn't even an actual character.
 
LT is well established as being the greatest power below TOAA (and is an actual character).  He'd be the omnipotent character. 
 
 
 

@Tevnoba

said:
" In your opinion, you can claim that - but it is still wrong.  The original concept for PR Beyonder was as the supreme being of his own multiverse that had not yet been created (it was at the end of secret wars II).  PR Beyonder = TOAA = THOTU (irregardless of what you want).  PR MM at the time was second only to the forementioned list which puts him above LT. "
The supreme being has no limitations and has infinite knowledge and control.  Beyonder had knowledge and other limitations as stated by himself when he resurrected death. "
and yet LT was not able to STOP him from killing death, your point is moot many times is it shown that beyonder is FAR above LT and MM was the only one to match beyonder thus MM>>>LT "
How do you know he didn't know that Beyonder would bring death back?  
 
You don't.
 
The only way to say Beyonder was greater than LT was if they fought, or if there was something done to gauge their powers.
 
 LT has always been able to destroy universes and re-create them on a whim.  Just because it's never been done in a grandiose manner like Byonder's stunts doesn't mean he's weaker.
#27 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @High Revolutionary said:

" @Tevnoba said:

" He has not been shown to be Omnipotenet, because Thanos w/HOTU did kicked his butt.   LT is nigh-Omnipotent, but so is PR MM.
 
 
 THOTU was the power of TOAA.  You can't say something isn't omnipotent when it can't stand against the power of the TOAA.  TOAA isn't even an actual character.
 
LT is well established as being the greatest power below TOAA (and is an actual character).  He'd be the omnipotent character. 
 
 
 

@Tevnoba

said:
" In your opinion, you can claim that - but it is still wrong.  The original concept for PR Beyonder was as the supreme being of his own multiverse that had not yet been created (it was at the end of secret wars II).  PR Beyonder = TOAA = THOTU (irregardless of what you want).  PR MM at the time was second only to the forementioned list which puts him above LT. "
The supreme being has no limitations and has infinite knowledge and control.  Beyonder had knowledge and other limitations as stated by himself when he resurrected death. "
and yet LT was not able to STOP him from killing death, your point is moot many times is it shown that beyonder is FAR above LT and MM was the only one to match beyonder thus MM>>>LT "
How do you know he didn't know that Beyonder would bring death back?    You don't.  The only way to say Beyonder was greater than LT was if they fought, or if there was something done to gauge their powers.  LT has always been able to destroy universes and re-create them on a whim.  Just because it's never been done in a grandiose manner like Byonder's stunts doesn't mean he's weaker. "
and yet beyonder can give the multiverse 24 hours to live and was thinking about destroying all the multiverse 

 
#28 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

Why did the LT get Molecule Man to fight the beyonder? Because he couldnt and wasnt strong enough

#29 Posted by High Revolutionary (3171 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000: 
 
Ahem...LT also exist outside the multiverse and has disposed mulitversal threats on his own in the past.
#30 Posted by High Revolutionary (3171 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" Why did the LT get Molecule Man to fight the beyonder? Because he couldnt and wasnt strong enough "
Why did he get the In-betweener to dispose Dr. Strange?
 
Only he and TOAA knows.
#31 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000:   Ahem...LT also exist outside the multiverse and has disposed mulitversal threats on his own in the past. "
LT=part one the marvel multiverse TOAA is the one who exist outside of it. 

 
a see LT in the crowd yea he stronger
#32 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" Why did the LT get Molecule Man to fight the beyonder? Because he couldnt and wasnt strong enough "
Why did he get the In-betweener to dispose Dr. Strange?  Only he and TOAA knows. "
And because the LT didn't have the Cajones to fight The beyonder unlike the Molecule Man, it makes him weaker than him
#33 Posted by High Revolutionary (3171 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000: 
 
No, LT can definitely exist outside the multiverse.  Look it up.
 
Again, that crowd pic means nothing.  Just because you watch two kids fight over candy doesn't mean you don't have the power to stop them.
#34 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000:   No, LT can definitely exist outside the multiverse.  Look it up.  Again, that crowd pic means nothing.  Just because you watch two kids fight over candy doesn't mean you don't have the power to stop them. "


 
till stronger then all in the room put together
#35 Posted by High Revolutionary (3171 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" @High Revolutionary said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" Why did the LT get Molecule Man to fight the beyonder? Because he couldnt and wasnt strong enough "
Why did he get the In-betweener to dispose Dr. Strange?  Only he and TOAA knows. "
And because the LT didn't have the Cajones to fight The beyonder unlike the Molecule Man, it makes him weaker than him "
No.  
 
Because that would mean that LT is weaker than both the In-betweener and classic Dr. Strange  (which we both know is bull).
#36 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @High Revolutionary said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" Why did the LT get Molecule Man to fight the beyonder? Because he couldnt and wasnt strong enough "
Why did he get the In-betweener to dispose Dr. Strange?  Only he and TOAA knows. "
And because the LT didn't have the Cajones to fight The beyonder unlike the Molecule Man, it makes him weaker than him "
No.    Because that would mean that LT is weaker than both the In-betweener and classic Dr. Strange  (which we both know is bull). "

look at above pic, they are all still much weaker then him
#37 Posted by High Revolutionary (3171 posts) - - Show Bio
@DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @High Revolutionary said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000:   No, LT can definitely exist outside the multiverse.  Look it up.  Again, that crowd pic means nothing.  Just because you watch two kids fight over candy doesn't mean you don't have the power to stop them. "


 
till stronger then all in the room put together "
That's some guys speculation.  It is wrong. It is just as wrong as Beyonder's suggestion that he wouldn't be able to bring death back.
 
When Thanos had THOTU, LT fought him because there was a legitimate threat, and it was TOAAs will. LT didn't throw MM at Thanos with THOTU, he took the matter into his own hands.
 
This was a silly blip that was crafted from good reading.  There's a reason why it was retconned so severely.
#38 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000 said:
" @High Revolutionary said:
" @DC_Marvel_1000:   No, LT can definitely exist outside the multiverse.  Look it up.  Again, that crowd pic means nothing.  Just because you watch two kids fight over candy doesn't mean you don't have the power to stop them. "


 
till stronger then all in the room put together "
That's some guys speculation.  It is wrong. It is just as wrong as Beyonder's suggestion that he wouldn't be able to bring death back. When Thanos had THOTU, LT fought him because there was a legitimate threat, and it was TOAAs will. LT didn't throw MM at Thanos with THOTU, he took the matter into his own hands. This was a silly blip that was crafted from good reading.  There's a reason why it was retconned so severely. "
how can you sit there and claim that beyonder is not stronger look even after beyonder killed death LT could not bring death back not even all the power of the multiverse could as said by MM and yet boom beyonder brought him back, beyonder is the TOAA of his own world that is outside space time ect ect he IS stronger then any being back then
#39 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@High Revolutionary said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @High Revolutionary said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" Why did the LT get Molecule Man to fight the beyonder? Because he couldnt and wasnt strong enough "
Why did he get the In-betweener to dispose Dr. Strange?  Only he and TOAA knows. "
And because the LT didn't have the Cajones to fight The beyonder unlike the Molecule Man, it makes him weaker than him "
No.    Because that would mean that LT is weaker than both the In-betweener and classic Dr. Strange  (which we both know is bull). "
those are two different stories in whole
#40 Posted by xyrzrockrain (921 posts) - - Show Bio

Molecule Man would beat LT. 
 
Beyonder owns Molecule Man.

#41 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7906 posts) - - Show Bio
@xyrzrockrain said:
"Molecule Man would beat LT.  Beyonder owns Molecule Man. "

Agreed
#42 Posted by chunjacktao (334 posts) - - Show Bio

Molecule man wins.
#43 Posted by cracks (6781 posts) - - Show Bio

Boost.

#44 Posted by chunjacktao (334 posts) - - Show Bio

MM
#45 Posted by thedarkgodzz (116 posts) - - Show Bio

any prove that LT beg to MM ?

#46 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio
@thedarkgodzz said:
" any prove that LT beg to MM ? "
Not directly, becasue LT did not speak.  However, it was stated in interviews with the writer and Stan Lee, that at the time - the Beyonder was the TOAA of his own Multiverse (outside of the Marvel Multiverse) - this is one of the reasons that they retconned him into PIS.
#47 Posted by why so serious (1388 posts) - - Show Bio

LT was no match for PR Beyonder, that was y he asked PR MM for help. PR MM for the molecule stomp

#48 Posted by Xi Felix (797 posts) - - Show Bio

Molecule Man.
#49 Posted by Ice_Cold_Angel (10 posts) - - Show Bio

i think LT would win b cuz there is only 1 stronger than him and that The-One-Above-All aka GOD and if he is under god i think he sould win cuz that means he is the 2nd strongest

#50 Posted by Ice_Cold_Angel (10 posts) - - Show Bio

and plus While the Living Tribunal has stated that the Molecule Man's power is practically limitless, Reece himself has stated it to be below that of Eternity and the Tribunal.