@ Killemall, Ok then, let's just agree to disagree then lol. And I just want to point out that it was you who accused me of making things up...I merely told you, you were misunderstanding something I said earlier. But now that that's covered, moving on...
Zoom can also stop time as you just admitted yourself...and control time however he wants to make himself faster. Flash even admitted this when he fought him...this is why Flash had to absorb speed of other flash's just to keep up with Zoom. My point is, time manipulation doesn't=instant universal threat..SA Superman also controlled time, and while he was O.P. he wasn't exactly a Universal threat daily...
And I'm pretty sure DS would one shot SS with his Omega Effect/Force...in fact that topic has been done already and majority already feel clearly Darkseid would win...
I'm not discrediting anything, I'm merely saying while Dorm has some impressive feats so does Darkseid...and he wouldn't be as easily defeated as you think especially with the Source stepping in half the time and even that, Darkseid has drove the Source crazy which effected other Skyfathers doing so...and being as how New Gods can create Universes I'd say that's pretty damn impressive. BTW he did that with 1/6 of ALE...combined with his own power. So actually, no there was no strawman argument. You merely took what I said out of context.
My point is that DS at his best is typically on most people's top most powerful DC's list...be it top 10, top 15 or 20 etc. It just seems like, you're overrating Dorm where this character is hardly relevant in Marvel comics...I know he's from 616 MU as a reason for him hardly showing up much like Mxy from the 5th Dimension in DCU, he hardly shows up but is uber powerful...but my point is, there are many other MU characters typically universal threats and not weakened outside of their realms...like say Dorm and Mephisto are.
I know Superman Prime 1 needed the DNA sample from Solaris, but my point is that's all he needed from that he still created Lois by himself besides having all the knowledge of the universe, creating his own, being literally invincible etc at that point. Still that being said, Dorm unlike SMP1 million isn't weakened by anything and has his own universe...you thinking it's a "cop out" is your opinion, you want a cop out? Read Pre-ret beyonder not just a cop out but beyond PIS...thus why it was retconned..How can you say all knowledge of the Universe is "so what"? lol I love how you downplay a crucial fact...very amusing. Talk to me once Dorm has all the knowledge of the Universe, creates his own or isn't weakened outside of his own little realm. 15,0-00 years sundipped having no weaknesses, even said welcome to my universe...of the future, recreating lois and others coming to him for help proves he was a universal threat....he was literally God practically no matter how you want to cut it, he was THAT powerful sorry but when you're that powerful you don't NEED feats...period. So by your logic, Presence or God's who hardly do anything in comics "can't win or aren't a threat because they have little to no feats"? That's nonsense...sometimes if a character is just THAT powerful it's sheer common sense.
DS doesn't really need the AIE, it's just a hobby to him more or less that he wants and my point was it really only works on certain people. He still has other great feats like defeating other new gods and it took 5 SkyFathers who had to merge to take Darkseid on, the fact that he's equal in power to is to 5 skyfather's says a lot,...not to mention he broke the source wall on his own, they did it as a team. As well as resulting in him killing loads of pantheons in the process..
One story that proves he is not only capable of destroying galaxies and other planets but he can transport Apokolips into other planets such as an older story where he was going to transport his planet into Earth 2 and thus destroying Earth 2...so there's your proof of Darkseid being more then capable of busting an entire planet...
Darkseid creates a weapon that attacks the Source, and thus drove all the other New Gods insane...totally corrupting the Source as this was how he also came back from the dead in on story.
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Hurting the Source>>>Creating other Dimensions, in case you're not aware the Source is one of the most powerful things in DCU...
DS resurrecting Dassaad after killing him previously...instantly
You questioned DS "creating Demons" well here you go...clearly proof of him being the creator of the Parademons as well as other shadow demons under his control:
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If you want to be technical both Darkseid and Luthor brought Doomsday back, then later on DS created clones which were shown in Superman/Batman: Apocalypse..but got vaped by Superman's heat vision in seconds. Yes, I'm well aware I read the arch and have the movie.
And yes, DS's powers have been known to be inconsistent but believe what you want, clearly you can't see facts over your own arrogance...not my problem. Like I said, that's why most DS fans and Superman fans admit his power showings are inconsistent over the years. And they're right. Again, with some of which scans you posted yourself just prove my point. In some fights Superman takes his beams like nothing, in others he gets pushed back tremendously and gets hurt or Koed from them..nuffs said. Again, it's all on how the writer wants to write these characters.
What I said earlier about Spectre being tagged/hurt by DS's omega beams...yet even you admitted Spectre is 100x more powerful, should prove that if Spectre can be hurt by his Omega effect so can Dorm...a far LESSER character in power...very few things if anything can not be hurt or at least somewhat effected by DS's Omega Beams..
BTW to take up your challenge, Darkseid can activate other dimensions or transport anyone to other dimensions via his Boom Tubes...
Darkseid has also eluded/cloaked the entire planet of Apocalypse from the Anti-Monitor(a known universal destroyer..) this is by far equally impressive to Drom battling Eternity as far as I'm concerned...he knew he couldn't fight it so he merely outsmarted it, to me it's the same difference. Be it outsmarting a Universal threat or fighting it head on is equally impressive...
Darkseid resurrecting his parademons instantly in front of Wonder Woman...from a previous battle where she just killed him..he says "only when he chooses, will they be allowed to die"
Orion confirming Darkseid created the parademons himself... ^ ^
While yes it was a combined effort to crack Imperiex's armor, between Superman, Kyle and Darkseid still...without his omega beams, it wouldn't have cracked...and Superman even got hurt here where as DS did not.
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