Pre 52 Kyle and Hal vs new 52 team

The mighty green lantern Kyle Rayner and Hal Jordan take on a mighty new 52 team!

New 52 team

Wraith

Doomsday

First Born

Alan Scott

Barry Allen

Superman

Wonder Woman

Shaggy Man

SETTING

Takes place on an indestructible earth.

RULES

Win by any means but BFR.

Hal and Kyle get pre 52 feats.

All are bloodlusted.

BEGIN!

EDIT: Molecular manipulation is no longer allowed, nor is TP.

Tough one

So they get mightily owned by nearly everyone on the list.

Hal solos

Really?

Lanterns

How should I make this fairer?

Callouts

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@thitiki@demonknights

@comicace3

How? New 52 Hal right?

@thitiki: Pre 52

Team!!!

Lanterns

The team might be able to overpower them but Hal and Kyle are way more versatile than everyone else on this list. Enough to take a few of these guys down beforehand. It's still a toss up IMO as Hal and Kyle are still way more powerful than anyone else on the team.

Lanterns

Lanterns

hal or kyle either solos

First Born > Orion > Hal Jordan

Not Pre New 52 Hal Jordan. The guy that can one shot Pre New 52 Superman level beings and Amazo, the android with all the JLA's powers at once. Not to mention shoot a blast with the heat of a sun and perform all kinds of versatile moves. The team might be able to win but they're gonna have to dogpile hard and fast to do so.

its the same hal. and he never one shot amazo. he shot him from behind and amazo was not put down.

Technically yes but most of those feats never happened in the New 52. Cyborg Superman wasn't around to kidnap the Lost Lanterns, Red Tornado never existed so Amazo taking over his body and Hal hasn't really interacted with Superman that much nor is his New 52 track record as good against Superman. Hence, your logic is clearly flawed since Hal's New 52 showings are much less impressive than his Pre New 52 ones all things considered. The New 52 canoncity can be picked apart and contradicted with every turn when you look hard enough at it so saying this is the same version is an unfounded and incorrect statement on your part

Besides, it's specified that this is the Pre New 52 version. This means New 52 Hal's feats cannot be considered at all. And New 52 Orion is far less impressive than Pre New 52 Hal as far as feats go. As for my counter, let's see what Amazo's self diagnostics specifically said about Hal's one shot blast shall we?

Damage: Severe. Solution: Retreat. No other member of the JLA, outside of Wally West, caused Amazo that much damage. Not Superman's speed blitz, not Wonder Woman's attacks, not Firestorm's transmutations but Hal Jordan's one blast almost destroyed Amazo.

Probably Lanterns, but I doubt anyone solos.

Jmarshmallow

Wow the lantern fans are getting out of hand; the team stomp the duo.

@kingant27: I read new 52 comics and no, they do not.

yes

post crisis

@dorukesin: How should I make it fairer?

remove TP,draining,molecular manipulation etc.

@johnfrank120 said:

It is, you have a team of Superman level beings etc; verses Hal and Kyle, yeah this is a stomp.

@kingant27: Pre 52 Hal was easily above superman.

@johnfrank120: He wasn't above all of these even with Kyle.

lol

@kingant27: He easily held back supernovas, stomped Mongul 2, blasted holes through AMAZO with the powers of Superman and WonderWoman, one shot general Eilling who took on Superman, WonderWoman, Orion, MMH and more and they still could not beat The general, soloed the JL, Planet busted with extreme ease, pulls entire planets, and more.

@johnfrank120: Well done, you displayed his feats, I know them; it doesn't mean he can handle all of these.

yeah, lol at your comment.

@kingant27: What feats does any one of them have that is superior?

did you even read 1 lantern comic in your life ?

They can win but they by no means stomp in the slightest.

Lanterns

Yes, I have been reading before you, I can assure you; however unlike you, I don't hype them.

lol

My thoughts too.

Team stomp.

If this is was hand of god kyle or Kyle with Ion.This would have been a different story.

Team2

@dorukesin: I have been reading before you, but go on.

@lvenger: it dpesnt matter. Chief editor at dc says its the same so its the same. As for the amazo scan. Yea, exactly what i said. He was shot from behind and wasnt put down.

Lanterns.

lol so whats stopping Hal from BFR'ing all of them to the Anti-Matter universe ? or whats stopping him from doing a mental assoult to all of them ?

I see you still like to ignore obvious counters and contradictions in your case. I repeat; Pre New 52 Hal Jordan is not affected by the feats of his New 52 counterpart. Spin or skew it however you want, Pre New 52 Hal doesn't have the same feats as New 52 Hal. Simple fact anyone with common sense could understand.

And Amazo freaking retreated after Hal blasted a hole in him. He wouldn't have given up if he could beat the JLA at that point. He needed to self repair himself after Hal nearly destroyed. Stop nonsensically lowballing this feat, it proves Hal can one shot far more powerful beings than the people here. He's done so consistently Pre New 52 and his New 52 feats don't apply here.

I have not read the said issue, but out of curiosity, was there anything suggesting the comment was merely in reference to Hal's blast and not a cumulative effect of various attack you mentioned?

It states no BFR.

What is stopping Flash from blitzing.

And characters like Diana have high TP resistance.

Out of curiosity, could you point me some instance of Hal actually using telepathy offensively in a battle. I have seen this referenced a few times in various threads but have never seen actual evidence of it.