"@Crom-Cruach: Well the thing is This a random encouter also molecule man as a good chance beyonder can beat death and mm held his own against beyonder (while holding back)"
plus molecule man had a different kind of power if you check my post:P
I'm not sure if death can tank blow that send dcu into nothing, but Death may have a different type of weakness that multiversal fabric
" @slacker the hacker: Not death of the Endless. In the DC paradigm, everything will eventually die except the Presence and death is the one delivering it. It doesn't matter how strong MM's reality warping abilities are because this principle is instituted by the Presence and so no matter how much everything else can piss and cry about how unfair it is, there's still not a single thing they can do to change it. "
So all this really boils down to is where this fights taking place so since its in the phantom zone which is in the dcu death wins
and if this was marvel mm would win
"@slacker the hacker: I thought death didn't have a claim on lucifer who imo is below Molecule man or was that only because the presence told death to let lucifer live? "
death as no claim on lucifer but do agree that mm is above lucifer
As to what Lucifer has done, plenty, on top of the list is through his own will and creativity he grabbed hold of the demiurgic power and made everything that exists except the Presence and Micheal. That includes all the cosmic level abstracts and everything therein that would allow a being like MM to even exist.
"1)wait wasn't reec above LT and could casually create force fields more powerful than all of the multiverse? 2) didn't he fight pre-retcon beyonder? "
2)Yes,but he lost fairly easily.Still he was able to give a better fight than Lt and the rest of the multiverse could of combined.
He didn't create any of the angels or heaven and hell.
Lucifer had no demiurgic power only Michael did,hence the name Michael Demiurgos.
Lucifer had the power to shape what was created by Michael's demiurgic power.
They created the multiverse together and Pre Retcon Molecule Man was able to create a force feild more powerful than the mutliverse with ease.
" @Dreamspinner said:You just confirmed what I thought!" What can MM do to Death? She doesn't come across as someone you can hurt easily... "nothing because death is a concept that can never stop existing anyway. "
Death (always) wins! ^^
" Death without even trying, everything in the universe can or must die at some point except the Creator, and it's death who takes care of that, ergo, she will come for molecule man and there's not a single thing he can do about it. "
" @Pr_Beyonder: and the rules by which such a force field operate were worded and instituted by Lucifer in the DC universe, hence he could pick it appart. And again, the only thing above him is the Presence. So there's really no comparaison to MM. "
Yeah,but can you say that when MM doesn't exist within the DCU
if he came to the DCU from the MU how do you know that Molecule Man would agree to what Lucifer would want
and when did he make such rules.Rules that let a being use their powers?
I don't see how Lucifer is more powerful than MM just because he's second to the presence within Dc's own respective reality.
" @Thor's hammmer: Marvel's death is nothing compared to Death of the Endless. As long as the concept of death exist DC's Death will live on. And since the act of killing something implies the existence of death (otherwise killing something is impossible), then no matter if Beyonder killed death, they still wouldn't be able to destroy Death of the Endless because the concept of the end of life still exists somewhere, like in their thoughts. "They only kill the physical form that's it but still exists.I doubt PR MM can hurt her.
" @Thor's hammmer: Marvel's death is nothing compared to Death of the Endless. As long as the concept of death exist DC's Death will live on. And since the act of killing something implies the existence of death (otherwise killing something is impossible), then no matter if Beyonder killed death, they still wouldn't be able to destroy Death of the Endless because the concept of the end of life still exists somewhere, like in their thoughts. "
anyone who isn't the Presence.
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