#151 Edited by BlackLegRaph (687 posts) - - Show Bio

Need i mention that the grid also has Hulk's intelligence at 6? Mentally merged with Banner it should be higher than that, without Banner, not even close!

Power girl has the superior speed plus the power & versatility to boot!

#152 Posted by dondave (37973 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@ghostravage said:

@dondave said:

@ghostravage: Hulk needs an incentive to turn WWH or WBH, he's not going transform in a random encounter

He did transformed at will in the Heart of The Monster... He was about to achieve WBH while fighting Skaar freshly transformed, that fight was a random encounter... And what really stopped him from not turning WBH was the mixed emotions he had through out the entire fight. Also, why he would hold back against Kara? If the ONLY thing that was stopping him from turning WBH all the time was the fact he didn't want to hurt anybody innocent and in that state he can't control his powers... If something is not happening here is Hulk holding back to an entire stranger who wants to harm him...

And he doesn't "turn" WWH... However, he had his reasons to grab a machete, an armor and declare war at the Earth...

Again even in his fight with Skaar he had an incentive, he hadn't gotten over the death of Caiera at that point and Skaar had just told him he had fed her to Galactus. He needs to reach a certain level of anger to turn WBH, he's not going to get that angry in a random encounter with someone he's never met before.

If you don't remember Hulk almost achieving WBH state while Skaar was just playing with his feelings... Even before all the things Skaar said, Hulk was already a few steps from unleashing WBH... It was a random encounter, Hulk even told him he wasn't there to fight him...

He was still enraged from the his last appearance during World War Hulk, for Hulk barely any time had passed.

#153 Posted by GhostRavage (9017 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@ghostravage said:

@dondave said:

@ghostravage said:

@dondave said:

@ghostravage: Hulk needs an incentive to turn WWH or WBH, he's not going transform in a random encounter

He did transformed at will in the Heart of The Monster... He was about to achieve WBH while fighting Skaar freshly transformed, that fight was a random encounter... And what really stopped him from not turning WBH was the mixed emotions he had through out the entire fight. Also, why he would hold back against Kara? If the ONLY thing that was stopping him from turning WBH all the time was the fact he didn't want to hurt anybody innocent and in that state he can't control his powers... If something is not happening here is Hulk holding back to an entire stranger who wants to harm him...

And he doesn't "turn" WWH... However, he had his reasons to grab a machete, an armor and declare war at the Earth...

Again even in his fight with Skaar he had an incentive, he hadn't gotten over the death of Caiera at that point and Skaar had just told him he had fed her to Galactus. He needs to reach a certain level of anger to turn WBH, he's not going to get that angry in a random encounter with someone he's never met before.

If you don't remember Hulk almost achieving WBH state while Skaar was just playing with his feelings... Even before all the things Skaar said, Hulk was already a few steps from unleashing WBH... It was a random encounter, Hulk even told him he wasn't there to fight him...

He was still enraged from the his last appearance during World War Hulk, for Hulk barely any time had passed.

Agreed, however, WBH is not restricted to that kind of external cause, he can still achieve it by anger itself, and if its bloodlusted i don't see why he wouldn't go WBH instantly, like he did 3 times, ultimately proving he always holds back because he doesn't want to hurt people.

Even though he lost control over Hulk in Manhattan and Las Vegas, he proved he can control that state at will in the Dark Dimension... he just said, "im cutting loose" after seeing he could actually bust them out without worrying about hurting people. And in that instance nobody mentioned anything about what happened in Sakaar, rather than him being all happy about busting people with no worries. He even got over the feeling of anger about Sakaar at the end of Son of Wrath...

Anyway, we do agree he wont go WBH in a random encounter... But that doesn't mean turning WBH is out of the table because there's not an external cause to make Hulk angry... Fighting makes Hulk angry...

#154 Posted by Pipxeroth (500 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk doesn't need to go WBH to win. His savage hulk feats already put him above kryptonians. There i said it :D

- Pip

#155 Edited by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666:power girl used super speed against wonder woman to dodge the lasso and then hit her,or did you miss the part where power girl is drawn in multiple images while dodging the lasso to reach and hit wonder woman?.

#156 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman242 said:

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642 said:

@patrat18: @batman242: He is most definitely stronger than her by far and he isn't faster but he isn't too slow for her.

Hulk is potentially stronger than her. He doesn't start off stronger than her. And yes, either way you put it he's too slow for her. She has an advantage in base strength, speed and flight.

If she takes it seriously from the beginning (which she usually does), Hulk isn't going to get stronger.

Flight isn't an advantage, I don't see any proof that she's stronger than Base strength Hulk is incredibly high Hulk is stronger plain and simple that's his edge., His strength increases during the get go bro so he will get stronger continuously because Hulk is always angry if he can trade blows with the likes of Thor, Silver Surfer and Hyperion and beat them on occasion he can definitely take out Power Girl plus she has trouble with Ultra Humanite, Hulk has also stomped Ms Marvel before who is essentially equal to PG in power levels

we have a problem here,you say power girl is nowhere near superman level because she lacks the feats,and then you put ms marvel in power girl's level?,i want to know based on what?,as you said characters need feats to prove they are on the same level of other top tiers,what feats has ms marvel done to put her in power girl's level in terms of strength,durability and speed?,ms marvel isn't even a 100 tonner,and her top speed is mach 5,power girl has much better feats than ms marvel in every category.

#157 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1993 posts) - - Show Bio
#158 Edited by Sherlock (7259 posts) - - Show Bio

@pipxeroth: Good for you. You're still absolutely wrong

#159 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1993 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: Ms. Marvel is definitely in her category she can absorb energy to add to her powers which means if a character like Wonder Man, Sentry or Hulk were near her she could absorb some of their energy making her more powerful than before she's a huge heavy hitter don't underestimate her although Power Girl is above her Ms Marvel is still in her league.

#160 Posted by patrat18 (9813 posts) - - Show Bio
#161 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1993 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18: Which one are you talking about? PG vs Hulk, Hulk being stronger then Superman or if Ms Marvel is in PG league.

Hulk is generally accepted as Superman's superior in the strength department. Although Superman has better feats due to being around for a good while longer his strength does have a limit while Hulk's doesn't it's a commonly accepted fact that Hulk has limitless strength. Superman has a limit yet it's so high his strength seems limitless similarly to Thor.

#162 Edited by patrat18 (9813 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18: Which one are you talking about? PG vs Hulk, Hulk being stronger then Superman or if Ms Marvel is in PG league.

Hulk is generally accepted as Superman's superior in the strength department. Although Superman has better feats due to being around for a good while longer his strength does have a limit while Hulk's doesn't it's a commonly accepted fact that Hulk has limitless strength. Superman has a limit yet it's so high his strength seems limitless similarly to Thor.

No.

Were does it say Superman has a limit?

#163 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1993 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18:

@patrat18 said:
@theincrediblesuperhulk8642 said:

@patrat18: Which one are you talking about? PG vs Hulk, Hulk being stronger then Superman or if Ms Marvel is in PG league.

Hulk is generally accepted as Superman's superior in the strength department. Although Superman has better feats due to being around for a good while longer his strength does have a limit while Hulk's doesn't it's a commonly accepted fact that Hulk has limitless strength. Superman has a limit yet it's so high his strength seems limitless similarly to Thor.

No.

Were does it say Superman has a limit?

Yes.

He has a limit just like their is a limit to the damage he can take and the speed he can move at his strength has never been clearly stated to be limitless although it has said to be near limitless. Whereas Hulk has always been said to have limitless strength.

#164 Posted by patrat18 (9813 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18:

@patrat18 said:
@theincrediblesuperhulk8642 said:

@patrat18: Which one are you talking about? PG vs Hulk, Hulk being stronger then Superman or if Ms Marvel is in PG league.

Hulk is generally accepted as Superman's superior in the strength department. Although Superman has better feats due to being around for a good while longer his strength does have a limit while Hulk's doesn't it's a commonly accepted fact that Hulk has limitless strength. Superman has a limit yet it's so high his strength seems limitless similarly to Thor.

No.

Were does it say Superman has a limit?

Yes.

He has a limit just like their is a limit to the damage he can take and the speed he can move at his strength has never been clearly stated to be limitless although it has said to be near limitless. Whereas Hulk has always been said to have limitless strength.

As long as the sun shines he is limitless, have you herd of SM prime 1 million?

#165 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1993 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18: Even with the sun it isn't limitless. That's when he stays in the sun for thousands of years charging himself so what's you're point. Superman's strength is not limitless even with the yellow sun.

#166 Posted by patrat18 (9813 posts) - - Show Bio
#167 Posted by thegreat4u (350 posts) - - Show Bio

Gotta go with power girl she is too fast for hulk to hit and she is strong enough to cause damage or she can stay a good distance and blast him with heat vision

#168 Posted by Moonman78 (1726 posts) - - Show Bio

People must be smoking crack, PG doesn't have any feats to stand up to pretty much any version of hulk except the grey one. She could hang around for a while but any hulk savage or better would eventually crush her.

#169 Edited by XiiX (8463 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage said:

@jashro44: It happened In-Character though... But i see where you coming from... I still think he can go WBH.

Anyway, yeah, In-Character she likes to slug things out, like most of Superman-like characters. She even has an instance of Ultra-Humanite 3 shotting her.

From what I gather from Beatboks, Ultra-Humanite is a potentially/regularly team-busting threat and proven more than capable of going head to head with Superman at least. I still think Hulk wins, but Ultra-Humanite is FAR from a low showing....................

#170 Posted by GhostRavage (9017 posts) - - Show Bio

Why do people think HV is the deciding factor here... HV is the least of problems. Speed is actually what makes Hulk have a hard time... Hulk is already stronger and more durable than her... give him a few seconds and all this attributes become non-factors besides Speed.

Hulk doesn't stomp here, but he has a solid win though.

#171 Edited by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk

Hulk's rap sheet is a mile long, he's a legit heavy-weight, deal with it. He's been around the block and fought and beat people way beyond PG. She does not have the power (ironic!) to put Hulk down. I don't buy into the nonsense that Hulk will never hit her ever. He's not slow any more and actually consistently moves fast as of late. She *might* be faster, but is not unhittable. One thunder clap and her precious Kryptonian hearing will leave her in agony for Hulk to smash.

#172 Posted by GhostRavage (9017 posts) - - Show Bio

@xiix said:

@ghostravage said:

@jashro44: It happened In-Character though... But i see where you coming from... I still think he can go WBH.

Anyway, yeah, In-Character she likes to slug things out, like most of Superman-like characters. She even has an instance of Ultra-Humanite 3 shotting her.

From what I gather from Beatboks, Ultra-Humanite is a potentially/regularly team-busting threat and proven more than capable of going head to head with Superman at least. I still think Hulk wins, but Ultra-Humanite is FAR from a low showing....................

Not saying it was a low-showing... But it was one of the various instance she has that she doesn't use her speed. Just sayin she in-character like to slug things up.

#173 Edited by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642 said:

@gokuwarrior: Ms. Marvel is definitely in her category she can absorb energy to add to her powers which means if a character like Wonder Man, Sentry or Hulk were near her she could absorb some of their energy making her more powerful than before she's a huge heavy hitter don't underestimate her although Power Girl is above her Ms Marvel is still in her league.

oh my god who cares if ms marvel can absorb energy to become more powerful?,ms marvel at normal level is nowhere near power girl's level,we aren't tyalking about binary,that is just something that don't happen very often,she has fought wonder man,hulk and sentrey and didn't win against any of them even after she absorbed a nuke before hitting sentrey,she didn't go binary after absorbing a nuke,or after she absorbed a power plant,so her chances of becoming binary aren't very high,ms marvel isn't a huge heavy hitter compared to power girl,at normal level she is completely outclassed by power girl,show me feats from regular ms marvel doing something in power girl's league in terms of strength,speed,durability,she has no feats to put her on power girl's league.

#174 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar:and you think power girl isn't a legit heavy hitter?,hulk doesn't start stronger or more durable than her and yes,she is unhitable for somebody like hulk.

#175 Posted by GhostRavage (9017 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar:and you think power girl isn't a legit heavy hitter?,hulk doesn't start stronger or more durable than her and yes,she is unhitable for somebody like hulk.

Based on what? Do you believe there's something like Hulk at base? That Hulk starts like a simply 100 toner?

#176 Posted by MarlboroMan (1641 posts) - - Show Bio
#177 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage:savage hulk best lifting feat is lifting that huge mountain back in the 80s and he has no way to tag her,she is a light speeder.

#178 Edited by GhostRavage (9017 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior said:

@ghostravage:savage hulk best lifting feat is lifting that huge mountain back in the 80s and he has no way to tag her,she is a light speeder.

Yeah and that same Savage Hulk was clashing with people and was felt in different dimensions... That same Savage Hulk punched through a time storm... That same Savage Hulk who took a 100 trillion ton punch to the chest and recovered instantly... The same Savage Hulk which created earthquakes in Dinmark by smashing the ground in Alabama... The same Savage Hulk who overpowered a force powerful enough to kick a planet out of orbit... The same Savage Hulk who was creating earthquake all over the earth while fighting the Wildboar brothers...

While DC has a bunch of lifting feats for his powerhouses, Hulk has it in striking feats. And IIRC, Hulk was weakened while performing that lifting feat.

BTW: There's combat and traveling speed... Not even Superman can fight at light speed. Blunt statement. At best she may be hypersonic, but she's still a dummy who doesn't use her speed properly and likes to slug things out.

#179 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage:superman can't fight at light speed according to what?,what proof do you have?.

power girl can fight faster than hypersonic that's for sure and hulk is helpless against her speed.

#180 Posted by GhostRavage (9017 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage:superman can't fight at light speed according to what?,what proof do you have?.

power girl can fight faster than hypersonic that's for sure and hulk is helpless against her speed.

According to Superman never fighting at lightspeed... The proof is that there is no proof about Superman fighting at such speed, however, there's proof of Superman fighting at hypersonic speed. IIRC the only instance Superman used light speed offensively was when he managed to perform an IMP... When he hit the Shadowmoon, and afterwards he was KO'd... He even claimed he loses perception while going at such speeds.

You claiming Superman and Power Girl can fight at such speed makes YOU the person that needs to prove it.

Nonetheless, being faster than someone doesn't give you the instant win. She still needs to put him down. And the reasons your stating are wrong... She's not stronger, she's not more durable, she doesn't have better regeneration factor, she doesn't grow stronger and harder to even phase... All she has is Speed and Flight... All the other abilities are not putting Hulk down.

Something makes me think you're reaching reaching reaching because you don't want to see Hulk winning.

#181 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage:she has heat vision to attack from the distance and her speed advantage is too much for hulk,with her strength plus huge speed she can strike harder,just in case you don't know speed boost striking power,the greater the speed the greater that the striking power is and power girl with super strength near superman plus hypersonic speed=more powerful strikes than hulk's.

#182 Edited by dum529001 (1633 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior said:

@ghostravage:she has heat vision to attack from the distance and her speed advantage is too much for hulk,with her strength plus huge speed she can strike harder,just in case you don't know speed boost striking power,the greater the speed the greater that the striking power is and power girl with super strength near superman plus hypersonic speed=more powerful strikes than hulk's.

Thats really funny, man.

Half of what you said is nowhere close to the truth. The other half is an outright lie.

I'm not impressed by the hypersonic speed. You know why? The secondary blast wave of a nuke is hundreds of times the speed of sound, and the atom busting radiation is light speed or greater. The power of Hulk's muscle movement is like a humungous nuclear arsenal that only gets more powerful as he is under stress.

Its going to take everything she has just to damage Hulk at close range yet you think heat vison from afar will do damage that lasts for even a second?

Neither Powergirl or her male counterpart has shown more power than the Hulk.

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#183 Posted by GhostRavage (9017 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage:she has heat vision to attack from the distance and her speed advantage is too much for hulk,with her strength plus huge speed she can strike harder,just in case you don't know speed boost striking power,the greater the speed the greater that the striking power is and power girl with super strength near superman plus hypersonic speed=more powerful strikes than hulk's.

You don't need to give me physics class when in comics characters defy them all the time... Hulk is a perfect example of that.

  • Heat Vision is a non-factor and will only make Hulk stronger the more its used. Hulk has already resisted a HV equally if not hotter than Superman's. Power Girl is inferior in every aspect to Superman.
  • Not really, while Superman performed the moon busting feat achieving Lightspeed to be KO'd afterwards, Hulk did it by strength alone... And Hypersonic speed is FAAAAAR below Lightspeed.
  • Again, you're just throwing reasons of how Power Girl wins every time i counter your argument.
#184 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001you know what is funny and a big lie?,you saying hulk has light speed,and superman has shown greater power than hulk.

#185 Posted by dum529001 (1633 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001you know what is funny and a big lie?,you saying hulk has light speed,and superman has shown greater power than hulk.

Only in your dreams.

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#186 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior said:

@dum529001you know what is funny and a big lie?,you saying hulk has light speed,and superman has shown greater power than hulk.

Only in your dreams.

in your dreams,you are the one that wants feats to prove a character is planet buster,and at the same time you speculate that hulk is as fast as light without feats to prove it?,show feats for hulk where it was stated that he moved at light speed,attacked at light speed,you can't,so leave the double standard behind please.

#188 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001:not even one feat there to support the claim that hulk is a light speeder,he is doing the usual brawl style.

#189 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

hulk isn't a light speeder not even close.

#190 Edited by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1993 posts) - - Show Bio

@patrat18 said:

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: So where does it say that Superman is limited by the sun light he absorbs?

What are you talking about. Superman's strength isn't limitless plain and simple case closed I'm not saying Hulk beats Superman no not at all in fact the only thing Hulk has over Superman is strength that's it their relatively equal in terms of durability and stamina but everything else Superman has the edge in. Hulk>Power Girl.

#191 Posted by dum529001 (1633 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001:not even one feat there to support the claim that hulk is a light speeder,he is doing the usual brawl style.

hulk isn't a light speeder not even close.

You must not understand how msucles work.

Muscle power is all about the speed of muscle contraction. Muscles put out power by stretching and then rapidly shortening like rubber bands.

There is no way Hulk doesn't strike at light speed and greater.

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#192 Posted by TheIncredibleSuperHulk8642 (1993 posts) - - Show Bio

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642 said:

@gokuwarrior: Ms. Marvel is definitely in her category she can absorb energy to add to her powers which means if a character like Wonder Man, Sentry or Hulk were near her she could absorb some of their energy making her more powerful than before she's a huge heavy hitter don't underestimate her although Power Girl is above her Ms Marvel is still in her league.

oh my god who cares if ms marvel can absorb energy to become more powerful?,ms marvel at normal level is nowhere near power girl's level,we aren't tyalking about binary,that is just something that don't happen very often,she has fought wonder man,hulk and sentrey and didn't win against any of them even after she absorbed a nuke before hitting sentrey,she didn't go binary after absorbing a nuke,or after she absorbed a power plant,so her chances of becoming binary aren't very high,ms marvel isn't a huge heavy hitter compared to power girl,at normal level she is completely outclassed by power girl,show me feats from regular ms marvel doing something in power girl's league in terms of strength,speed,durability,she has no feats to put her on power girl's league.

Uhmm it's part of her character and she uses the energy absorbtion in battle. Ok so what Sentry Wonder Man and Hulk would beat Power Girl also I don't see you're point. She's capable of hurting Wonder Man, Red Hulk, Ares, Thor, Red She Hulk, Hulk and Sentry and is capable of at least going head to head against them for a period of time so she definitely has what it takes to hold her own against her (not saying she beats her)

#193 Edited by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642:false,wonder man wouldn't beat power girl,show me scans of him being as strong as durable and as fast as PG,ms marvel can't hurt hulk,red hulk,thor,red she-hulk,she has never fought them,she doesn't even fight heavy hitters,and when she did she lost,she lost against hulk,wonder man,she had to absorb a nuke to punch a weakened sentrey only one time and she didn't beat him,you can't go and assume ms marvel is a thread for characters that she never fought and that have much better feats than her,her feats in strength,speed and duirability are nowhere near PG's level,don't put ms marvel a in a league she doesn't belong.

#194 Edited by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior said:

@dum529001:not even one feat there to support the claim that hulk is a light speeder,he is doing the usual brawl style.

@gokuwarrior said:

hulk isn't a light speeder not even close.

You must not understand how msucles work.

Muscle power is all about the speed of muscle contraction. Muscles put out power by stretching and then rapidly shortening like rubber bands.

There is no way Hulk doesn't strike at light speed and greater.

you must not understand what solid proof means,hulk hasn't light speed feats period,so he is not a light speeder,simple as that.

#195 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: What feats but Power Girl at lightspeed combat wise? Superman only has one feat of a lightspeed fight with wonder woman and power girl is weaker than him.

#196 Edited by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@bronze_surfer:and what feats does hulk have to say he is a light speeder because that is what i'm arguing about,that hulk in not a light speeder.

#197 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: How is supermans strength not limitless? Sure he can't raise it as fast as the hulk but that is because his source that constantly raises his powers at a slow rate is 92,960,000 miles away. When he stays in the sun it raises just like how Hulks raises with his anger.

#198 Edited by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

some hulk fans haven't good logic,they want people to post feats to prove a character is a thread to hulk but then they say that hulk is a light speeder without feats to prove it and put ms marvel as a thread to hulk,thor,red she hulk and put her on the same power level that power girl without feats to support that claim.

#199 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: He is not i'm not arguing that. What I am asking is feats to put Power Girl at Lightspeed in Travel or Combat wise

#200 Edited by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: How is supermans strength not limitless? Sure he can't raise it as fast as the hulk but that is because his source that constantly raises his powers at a slow rate is 92,960,000 miles away. When he stays in the sun it raises just like how Hulks raises with his anger.

you are talking to the same user that says that ms marvel is a thread to hulk,red she hulk and thor,the same user that put ms marvel in power girl power level and the same user that said hulk is a true speeder able to keep up with superman and wonder woman.