Hardcore street fight in Times Square.
Polaris vs Invisible Woman
sue. i am pretty sure she could block any of lorna's attack. i don't really see her getting thru sue's shield.
if telekinesis doesn't get through her field then why would magnetism? i would need to see polaris pulling off a similar stunt for me to buy that one.
in the two encounters in which jean grey and sue richards have fought jean's tk could not breach sue's shield. jean could not affect sue at all.
uncanny x-men annual fourteen when sue was turned into a hound. and the other was when the ff found jean alive after the whole phoenix thing turned out to not be the real jean. don't remember the issue.
jean's telekinesis does not pass through it at all. she was levitating cap, herc, and some other avengers and sue through up a shield and the effect was blocked and the guys fell to the ground.
i see what you are saying. but her tk does not get through her field. she is completely blocked. jean was levitating several people. not blasting them. and sue's field cut jean off. she could not affect anything through sue's shield.
I think Invisible Woman has the advantage here; Polaris would not even know what hit her or how to defend herself. I'm a Polaris fan, but just like Magneto, her weakness is also her strength - her power is very dynamic but limited. Anything Polaris can throw magnetically can be swatted to the side with an invisible forcefield, and while Lorna is trying to sense Invisible Woman using the EM spectrum, there is nothing she could do to prevent Sue from inserting and then expanding an invisible bubble in her head. If Polaris keeps a magnetic force barrier up, I still think Invisible Woman has enough control over her powers to cover it with a forcefield and then shrink it - considering the extent of the Power Cosmic that Sue is said to channel into her force field creations, I don't think Polaris would have enough power to punch through that attack. Even better, Sue could outwit Lorna - just make a bunch of non-metallic wreckage, such as concrete, invisible, and then drop it on Polaris' head for a K.O. And considering the amount of attacks that Susans' force field has absorbed without knocking her unconscious, I think she could easily maintain a force barrier up against anything Lorna can do.
Invisible Woman should take this; especially if she enters the fight invisible to confuse and disorient Lorna. It won't be a curbstomp, though, since Polaris has her own advantages, but ultimately, Sue is more experienced, more powerful and more dynamic than Lorna.
do u forget invisible womans powers to manipulate and control. her pure force is or could actually be telekinesis and can lift anything polaris can and more. and with invisible womans will power especially if its bloodlust she can over come anything more powerful if she has the mental drive
What people r forgetting is that Polaris's power isn't to manipulate the magnetic only, that's a fraction of what she is capable of.
Her powers is to manipulate one of the fundamental forces of nature "the electromagnetic field". I am.pretty sure she can disrupt Sue's force field with electromagnetism.
Plus people use the Jean vs Sue event as if telekinesis can't get through Sue's shields. That was Jean with mental blocks, a very weak Jean Grey.
Current Jean would just rearrange the shield itself. She can manipulate matter on a molecular level.
I don't know who would win in a fight Polaris vs IW but Sue has pretty good feats, beating the Avengers, blocking attacks from the Celestials etc. But I wouldn't underestimate Lorna. She is not less formidable opponent than Sue.
Polaris.
Underestimating her is a mistake.
She'll disrupt Sue's force field with her electromagnetic fields. Also, everyone radiates a magnetic field. Lorna has magnetic vision, even if Sue's invisible; she can see her and attack. As a last resort, she could just reverse her blood flow in a single second and it'd be over. If she can restrain Phoenix Rachel... Can't she easily fight Sue? Lol.
Polaris.
Underestimating her is a mistake.
She'll disrupt Sue's force field with her electromagnetic fields. Also, everyone radiates a magnetic field. Lorna has magnetic vision, even if Sue's invisible; she can see her and attack. As a last resort, she could just reverse her blood flow in a single second and it'd be over. If she can restrain Phoenix Rachel... Can't she easily fight Sue? Lol.
Lorna's not disrupting Sue's force field. Who's shields has she disrupted? Did you know Sue can disrupt force fields and has done so with Doom and Galactus' force fields?
Sue's force fields block/negate psionic powers so Lorna won't be able to reverse her blood if she's in a force field.
Would you consider Lorna restraining Phoenix-Echo Rachel a consistent feat for her? And if so what are Phoenix-Echo Rachel's feats? because let's just say Sue's high-ends can get very crazy
@scarlet_wiccan: She disrupted Mephisto's attacks in his realm. Her own fields are that strong. And if she can disrupt Mephisto's attacks, how are Sue's fields going to create that much trouble for her?
And I would consider that a feat for her. During the Starjammers era, not only she was stated to be stronger than Rachel (who had the Phoenix force at the time) but she then proved it by being able to restrain her while she was using it. The Phoenix force is literally one of the most powerful beings in Marvel.
As a surplus, let's see where she defeated Vulcan. Mind you, he's an omega-level mutant.
While I still side with Lorna, a battle would depend on who is writing it I believe. All I'm saying is: Don't take Polaris for granted. She will surprise you.
@bluehydrangea: Don't get me wrong I really like Lorna and I think she's often overlooked but Sue is on a whole new level compared to Lorna.
Sue's doesn't have to physically break Lorna's magnetic shield, she can create a force field inside/through it...
Here Sue opens a breach in Morgan Le Fey's electromagnetic barrier by creating a force field inside the barrier and expanding it, Morgan Le Fay's barrier was strong enough to block attacks from Thor and Namor.
Rachel only had a portion of the Phoenix Force and Lorna beating Vulcan is impressive but it's nothing special compared to Sue's feats plus what does Vulcan's Omega Level status mean if he lost to Lorna who is not an Omega?
Since you're using Phoenix and Mephisto feats for Lorna, Some of Sue's high-ends include...
- Shielded from multiple Celestials simultaneously that were trying to kill people Sue was protecting and was previously seen killing multiple Infinity Gauntlet users.
- Blocked attacks from Galactus at least five times
- Blocked an attack from a full-powered Franklin Richards
- Blocked an attack from Doom with a Watcher's powers
- Tanked a weapon that tore a hole in spacetime and was killing Eternity
- Tanked a reality wave that erases timelines
- Tanked an nuclear and anti-matter explosion that caused an anomaly described as much more dangerous than a blackhole
- Tanked the Ultimate Nullifier that's multiversal
- Withstood the collision of two universes
- Blocked attacks from the Cormorant that casually broke a container that contained energy that could destroy universes and The Cormorant was described as the most powerful being in existence.
@scarlet_wiccan: Stuff like "tanked the Ultimate Nullifier" and "withstood the collision of two universes" is obvious context-less wank and I'm also not impressed by it etc. High ends and outliers are poor debating tools for a matchup that should be easy to argue for Sue.
@bluehydrangea:IIRC she only beat Vulcan because he was focused on fighting someone else at that point lol. When they met earlier on when her power levels were surging beyond their regular capacity he managed to power though and go for a KO etc. Bad example to use if you aren't going to include context.
Also Phoenix Raptor Rachel wasn't really that impressive in the grand scheme of things etc even the most die-hard fans of her would agree
@scarlet_wiccan: Stuff like "tanked the Ultimate Nullifier" and "withstood the collision of two universes" is obvious context-less wank and I'm also not impressed by it etc. High ends and outliers are poor debating tools for a matchup that should be easy to argue for Sue.
@bluehydrangea:IIRC she only beat Vulcan because he was focused on fighting someone else at that point lol. When they met earlier on when her power levels were surging beyond their regular capacity he managed to power though and go for a KO etc. Bad example to use if you aren't going to include context.
Also Phoenix Raptor Rachel wasn't really that impressive in the grand scheme of things etc even the most die-hard fans of her would agree
How am I supposed to argue with consistent feats when I'm debating against someone who believes Polaris' shields can block attacks from Mephisto? Also whenever I go through the trouble of posting a bunch of consistent feats for Sue it gets completely ignored or I never get a response.
I'm personally not a fan of high-ends/outliers but everyone else on here are using one or two feats way out of line with a character's consistent feats so it's pointless to try and debate with consistent feats only.
@scarlet_wiccan: You don't fight wank with wank etc
Thnx for the clarification.
On topic: Sue takes it with internal hax.
Internal hax wouldn't be used with a morals on Sue.
The person who posted didn't specify it was morals on though so I'm assuming win by any means.
The person who posted didn't specify it was morals on though so I'm assuming win by any means.
You don't assume that when there's no rules. CV specifically states that if no rules are provided, you use standard format: which isn't morals off or whatnot.
"win by any means" also doesn't make them morals off, it just allows for BFR/incap as a option. Those two are mutually exclusive terms.
You don't assume that when there's no rules. CV specifically states that if no rules are provided, you use standard format: which isn't morals off or whatnot.
Aight, thnx for the heads up. I didn't bother reading the instruction guide anyways lol.
"win by any means" also doesn't make them morals off, it just allows for BFR/incap as a option. Those two are mutually exclusive terms.
My words are a bit clunky, when I said "win by any means" I was implying something such as bloodlust, like kill by any means. By that, I mean any moves could be used for the instant kill even if it's out of character. I should have been more specific and shouldn't have tossed that term as it can denote to more than one thing so that's on me. That's why I said internal hax, cuz sue could just cut off her oxygen while being invisible. Sorry if it sounds confusing, I had to type fast cuz I'm cooking rn.
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