#1 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7092 posts) - - Show Bio

@sovereign91001 @beatboks1

In the negative Zone.

The winner from the last round will have their choice of either yellow or green power rings for every member of their teams.

They will not take any of the boons from the previous round into this one.

There is no prep, completely random encounter.

The winner of this round will get to choose again from the boons at the end of round 1. This time they will get two choices. Just like before the one who finishes their debate first gets to pick first ( just to help move things along)

Sovereign91001 Team Boon TBA

  • Phoenix (Jean Grey, Green)
  • Superman
  • Doctor Fate (Kent V. Nelson)
  • Captain Atom
  • Icon

Mr_Ingenuity Team Boon Green Power Rings

  • New 52 Captain Atom
  • Shaman X-Man
  • Classic/Current Dr Doom
  • Shaman King Hao Asakura w/ Spirit of Fire
  • Savior Cable w/ Tech & Info Net
#2 Edited by beatboks1 (6958 posts) - - Show Bio
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#3 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (7092 posts) - - Show Bio

@sovereign91001

I’m assuming your team of heroes will receive Green Power Rings…correct? So I’ll start this off with match ups & dive a little into character interactions. Although my characters may take an independent route they are capable of working together & supporting each other to take control of the situation.

Opening Strategy

Doom

Doom will start by doing what is best for him, which will be temporarily BFRing Jean, receiving a power up (not counting the power ring) & summoning an army. Going into detail….

Remotely using his time platform he will be able to BFR Jean anywhere of his choosing. Separate dimensions, through time or anywhere your team may not interfere any bring her back. He has done this on occasion to Stark (left him in hell or at least tried & the past) & the Fantastic Four (sent franklin to hell & FF to the past)

For character interaction the only one who will play nice with Doom (considering Doom’s character) is Hao. Shaman King Hao is considered neutral since completing his goal. He would have no problem allowing Doom’s tech to tap his power, or grant his power to Doom effortlessly, it works either way. With this upgrade Doom will gain immortality, energy manipulation, soul manipulation/absorption, & the knowledge necessary to use these powers.

Doom will put these powers to use by absorbing Captain Atoms soul leaving a lifeless body & then retrieving Captain Atom’s body to absorb his powers.

His next act will be to summon the Mindless Ones & Een’Gawori Slugs.

Mindless Ones only require a portal open to a portal to Dormammu’s realm allowing hundredths of Mindless ones to come through in minutes. This army should be powerful enough to overcome anyone in magic or in strength.

Dormammu’s & Dr. Strange’s fight weakens his barriers containing the Mindless Ones it take both of them to contain them

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Here it’s weakened again and Dormammu invokes Cyttorak

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Doom summons Mindless Ones to overpower the FF

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Dormammu finds Hulk’s tussle with them amusing.

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The Een’Gawori Slugs equate to magical leeches making one incapable of using magic. Used when Doom ambushed SS Dr Voodoo. Doom will cage some & put the rest on the mindless ones, so they may be carried to unsuspecting victims of the dark arts.

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Now at this point Doom will be ready to take on the Phoenix, returning her to the battle field, & depending on his teammate’s status they may be of help.

X-Man

X-Man will start of by moving his consciousness into Superman’s body. With Jean gone his mental blocks will not be enough to keep X-Man out (power ring or not) & as a backup X-Man can also turn his body into energy and fuse with Superman mind & body.

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With that done X-Man will apply his own set of mental blocks to Superman physic commands that will stop Superman from resisting, regains control, or in the event of their separation. Those commands being Superman will lose his memory (blank slate) & induce a comma.

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I have no clue if a power ring can tell the difference in fused being; if so it will leave X-Man with one power ring, & if not he will have two.

Hao

I’ll start by reintroducing Hao before I get into strategy

Hao is a shaman and as a shaman he has levels of control over spirits (living or dead), being over 1000 years old he has mastered every technique in his universe. The most prominent ability is to reincarnate his soul at will to another body. This allowed him to live for hundreds of years by moving from body to body. At one point Hao waited 500 years deciding to be reborn as child of a descendant. During that time as a kid with no effort at all kills a navy fleet then revives them from ashes.

Revives Soldiers

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As Shaman King he has complete control of spirits in his universe (in his universe everything has a soul) & over who lives and who dies literally no longer needing a body. Hoa is now effectively immortal willing him inexistence & draw his power form what is known as the Great Spirit, has been regarded as the spirit of the universe and has been stated to have been created at the point of the big bang. Hoa has enough power to absorb hundreds of thousands souls with a thought, return those souls to earth in bodies he created, create a miniature sun the holds all the power of our sun with the added effect to burn souls from existence, and miniature black holes that drawn in endless amount of souls crushing them out of existence. Defeating him is possible but not easy. Main reason being the five main characters of the series used elemental spirits (different manifestations of the universe) & drawing on his power stalemated him, and talked him out of destroying earth.

Hao’s has a self-limitation only using the Great Spirit within his realm of knowledge not to its full potential.

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In this universe if your soul gets destroyed your existence is revoked.

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Summons the power of the sun. (last scan you can see the scale of the miniature sun)

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Using it to fight

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Now for strategy

Hao isn’t much for physical confrontation so it’s plausible he will grant Doom powers for his own benefit. Although that doesn’t mean he will make it any easier for your team. First thing he will do is eliminate on of your team members by sending the spirit of fire after them.

The way I see it now Icon should be the only member of your team that is alive & well, as Doctor Fate should be having a rough time with Mindless Ones & Een’Gawori Slugs.

In case you are wondering can the Spirit of Fire damage Icon that would be a yes. To the SOF physical durability has no meaning, it can physically, but it can also burn & eat souls.

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So unless Icon can resist his soul being burned, ripped out, & eaten…another one bites the dust.

While the SOF eats Hao will lie in wait healing & reviving his teammates

Cable

Cable will start to telepathically assault your team or at least the currently standing members. Other than that he is a free agent at this point & will engage whoever demands his attention.

New 52 Captain Atom

Captain Atom will break up into duplicates & serve as support. This way he can stop surprise attacks counter speed blitzing (although Hao healing and reviving counters that also) and over power standing members of your team.

Summary

  • · At the start of the battle your team is being reduced by the minute & my team is growing.
  • · The only advantage majority of your team has over mine is speed, but that can be countered with over whelming numbers, healing, X-Man more exotic powers.
  • · Your team likely has no defense form soul manipulation/absorption & Doctor Fate will be over whelmed with hundreds of Mindless Ones & Een’Gawori Slugs that eat magic.
  • · The most likely last standing member is Jean, considering her temporary BFR, and she will clearly be out numbered and powered.

#4 Edited by Sovereign91001 (3959 posts) - - Show Bio

@beatboks1:@mr_ingenuity: Sorry guys! I choose GL rings for my team

@mr_ingenuityLet's get it started! Okay even though we have no training with the rings I have a couple members with very high willpower (Superman, Jean, Captain Atom, Fate) In addition Everyone on my team with the exception of Jean are from the D.C universe and have at least some familarity with the GL corps. That said of all the characters here Superman and my Captain Atom have the most experience with the corp and should have the easiest time tapping the ring's power.

While it's true your team excells at prep ( a lot of their higher end feats are prep related) there isn't any prep or knowledge for this round and that definetly works in my advantage as I think in a straight up random encounter my team can take this one.

Here's who I'm gonna have tangle with who:

Superman vs Doom

Atom to Atom

Fate to Hao Asakura

Jean to Shaman X-Man

Icon to Savior

I'll get into the individual match ups in my next post but this is my opener.

Edit: Readjusted my order before I posted my strategy

#5 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (7092 posts) - - Show Bio

@sovereign91001: If you are wondering why I have not given rebuttal...I'm allowing you to add more to you post or a least another post altogether. I'm fairly certain you would like to add more to this...Correct?

#6 Posted by Sovereign91001 (3959 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_ingenuity: Yes, I'm sorry I was busy yesterday andI'll put out a general strategy and then individual ones for each character matchup, then I'll address your strategy.

General Strategy

When you look at my team most people would assume that Phoenix is my biggest gun (I think you did too as the first thing you sought to do was remove her from the battlefield). While she's powerful she isn't my biggest gun; Captain Atom is. And he is ultimately going to be the reason my team wins this confrontation.

But before I go to into that let's start with the GL Rings, IMO they aren't going to be of much use to your team. You have a single character from D.C in DCnU Captain Atom, unlike my Atom, to my knowledge yours hasn't had any encounter with or knowledge of the GLC. While you do have the biggest brain between us in Doctor Doom; doom has no knowledge of the rings and no time to study how they work. Even with his vaunted brain, he's going to be trying to adapt on the fly.

Moving onto my general strategy at the start of the battle: Jean's going to reinforce my team's willpower allowing them to fight at their maximum capacity

Captain Atom is going to transmute your entire team into a flock of birds and cut off access to their powers . Atom's powers are limited only by the scope of his willpower and his imagination, at his highest level he's even created and destroyed Universe.

This reality even included Superheroes that he created also including the Flash, Superman and the Spectre.

Now obviously I can't go as high as creating a Universe as it's above the levels of power in this tourney but I can go up to Odin's level (roughly galactic) so I believe that right off the bat I've nuetralized your entire team as there is no one on your team with the levels of power to compete with that, but just in case let's get into the individual fights I talked about earlier.

Superman Vs Doom

In a fight with Superman, Doom has two advantages; his knowledge and prep. He doesn't have either; he knows nothing other than a name and he has no prep. Superman is far too fast and far too powerful for Doom to take on in a random encounter. The ring isn't going to be much of a factor here for Doom; Doom has no knowledge on the ring or how it works, given time he could I have no doubt master it (although I think a yellow ring would be more in his wheelhouse) but any constructs he makes Superman can break; he's broken constructs from fully trained Lanterns, and in a battle of rings Superman's going to have an advantage; his well known willpower added to his knowledge of the rings (he's worked extensively with every one of the Earth Lantern's post crisis) is going to seal the win. He's going to blitz Doom and given that he can also further amplify his strength with the ring he should have no problem penetrating Doom's shields and knocking him out.

Atom (Post Crisis) vs Atom (new 52)

New 52 Captain Atom while powerful is largely inexperienced with his powers; he's had a short career and his experience is rather limited. My Captain Atom on the other hand has already fought a version of himself in Monarch, dealing with duplicates isn't anything he's unused to. Since they both draw their power from the same force and all and my Atom has been shown to be able to shut down people's powers (Firestorm, The Ray) and transmute people's forms (Engineer, Maul).

My Atom is going to turn you Atom(s) back into their human form and cut off his (their) access to the Quantam field. Now in the scan you'll notice he say's he's not very good at that trick but that's with the normal mental limitations he puts on his powers, limitations Jean removed.

My Captain Atom's greater experience with his powers and in general should allow him to win the day.

Fate Vs Hao

In addition to all his magical prowess Fate can manipulate Souls as well.

In fact he can pull them out of bodies and transport them to other dimensions. So I'd have him transport Hao's soul and his SoF to seperate dimensions. Taking them both out of the equation quickly and effectively.

Jean vs Shaman X-Man

I believe that Jean holds and edge in a telepathic encounter against Nate, I think in terms of telekinesis they're fairly even, I might put a slight advantage to Jean. Anywho Jean can psionically shut off his powers.

I think she can overpower him mentally as well, even without the Phoenix she has Planetary level telepathic feats; the greatest one I can recall is taking Xavier's contagiousness into her own, breaking it apart into a million pieces, placing those pieces into mutants minds across the planet and then reassembling the pieces and restoring Xavier's mind. With the Phoenix amping her there shouldn't be a reason she couldn't beat him in a telepathic battle.

Icon Vs Savior

Icon can generate an E.M.P with his energy projection powers, there shouldn't be any reason that he couldn't shut down Cable's tech, he's too fast for Cable to fight against and Icon should have him unconcious in short order.

You've already stated a speed advantage goes to my team an advantage I'm taking full advantage of that.

Your Strategy

If Cable tries to attack my team mentally he's going to get a massive psychic feedback now while I can't use her Dark Phoenix or P.O.T.W.C showings I can use the ones from New X-Men where Jean began to merge with the Phoneix. What I said above for Shaman X-Man should apply to Cable as well. And speaking of Shaman...

Superman is highly trained in mental discipline; in addition to psychic shielding he's learned from J'onn he has Torquasm-Vo fortifying his mind. A technique he's used to defeat Dominus in mental combat. Add that to Superman's willpower and ability to resist mind control and I don't think Nate is going to be able to overwhelm his mind.

As for your army of mindless ones, I believe Atom can quickly and easily deal with them, turning them (along with your team) into birds. He should also in theory to be able to pull Jean back from wherever Doom sent her; and if he can't Fate could.

Now let's get to teamwork my team will play nice with each other yours on the other hand:

Doom by your own admission will only play nice with Hao.

Then we have Savior Cable; the guy who tried to reshape the entire world with his powers for the betterment of mankind. He has a messiah complex and I'd say he's not only going to not work with doom, he'll actively oppose him and Hao who's working with him by extension. And it's not like they're from different universe's or Doom is an obscure villian. He's infamous and very high profile, and any rigormaru Doom tries to feed to him about bettering the world together isn't going to be bought by Cable.

The way I see it, your team (and their effectiveness) have been cut in half at least. And with that I'll toss it back to you.

#7 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (7092 posts) - - Show Bio

@sovereign91001: Your first post has been rolled into your second post so I'll just address that.

When you look at my team most people would assume that Phoenix is my biggest gun (I think you did too as the first thing you sought to do was remove her from the battlefield). While she's powerful she isn't my biggest gun; Captain Atom is. And he is ultimately going to be the reason my team wins this confrontation.

I don't remember stating which character was the most powerful member of your team, just pointing out character interaction. Which Doom knows the power of the Phoenix Force quite well, he learned that when he had a trip thru time. Considering this Doom wouldn't have Jean on the battlefield unless he was assured he could take her himself. Waiting for Cable or X-Man could potentially backfire. Don’t get me wrong I think X-Man could take her but don’t think Dooms that trusting.

But before I go to into that let's start with the GL Rings, IMO they aren't going to be of much use to your team. You have a single character from D.C in DCnU Captain Atom, unlike my Atom, to my knowledge yours hasn't had any encounter with or knowledge of the GLC. While you do have the biggest brain between us in Doctor Doom; doom has no knowledge of the rings and no time to study how they work. Even with his vaunted brain, he's going to be trying to adapt on the fly.

I know this is a cornerstone of your debate so I'll just put this one down easy.

First off X-Man has Psychometry, so not only will he learn it, he will use it like he’s had it his whole life.

Psychometry

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X-Man Psychometry learns the entire events of Marvel earth he has missed.

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Cable sharing a PSI link with X-Man (automatic function that gets stronger the closer they are) will have the same knowledge. Plus Cable has tech, which I’ll go into when it’s more relevant.

Captain Atom is one guy neither Cable nor X-Man would have a problem sharing the info on the rings.

Then there's Doom. Honestly Doom will have no use for the power ring to him it would be inferior to the Power Cosmic. Doom would keep the ring for later exploits, most likely taping the source itself, & adding them to Doombots (his version of Alpha Lanterns). But prep is not involved & he can easily acquire Pre 52 Captain Atom's powers.

Lastly Hao would just uses X-Man’s knowledge of the ring to augment his other powers, in which case 90% of your team has no defenses against making the ring a redundant power up.

Moving onto my general strategy at the start of the battle: Jean's going to reinforce my team's willpower allowing them to fight at their maximum capacity.

Is she doing this on or off the battlefield? I previously stated Doom BFR Jean until he can decisively prove her better.

Captain Atom is going to transmute your entire team into a flock of birds and cut off access to their powers . Atom's powers are limited only by the scope of his willpower and his imagination, at his highest level he's even created and destroyed Universe.

You do know Captain Atoms in the quantum field in those scans (misleading scans much)? Equates to putting Mephisto in Hell or Phoenix in the White Hot Room… IIRC only time Captain Atom reached similar levels out of the quantum field is when he became Monarch, and then needed containment suit just to live.

This reality even included Superheroes that he created also including the Flash, Superman and the Spectre.

Now obviously I can't go as high as creating a Universe as it's above the levels of power in this tourney but I can go up to Odin's level (roughly galactic) so I believe that right off the bat I've nuetralized your entire team as there is no one on your team with the levels of power to compete with that, but just in case let's get into the individual fights I talked about earlier.

So I’m going to consider a nope to this.

Also what defense does Captain Atom have stopping Doom/Hao from absorbing his soul?

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I know you address my strategy down the line, but I'm going to give my rebuttal on each one of your match ups, & question how this impedes my match ups at all.

Superman Vs Doom

In a fight with Superman, Doom has two advantages; his knowledge and prep. He doesn't have either; he knows nothing other than a name and he has no prep. Superman is far too fast and far too powerful for Doom to take on in a random encounter. The ring isn't going to be much of a factor here for Doom; Doom has no knowledge on the ring or how it works, given time he could I have no doubt master it (although I think a yellow ring would be more in his wheelhouse) but any constructs he makes Superman can break; he's broken constructs from fully trained Lanterns, and in a battle of rings Superman's going to have an advantage; his well known willpower added to his knowledge of the rings (he's worked extensively with every one of the Earth Lantern's post crisis) is going to seal the win. He's going to blitz Doom and given that he can also further amplify his strength with the ring he should have no problem penetrating Doom's shields and knocking him out.

Chances are you've mistaken Doom as helpless in your post, which is far from the truth. I have stated Doom gains Hao’s power set (In my strategy) but you think Superman will just knock him out?

What happens after Superman realizes physical force is counterproductive & Doom absorbs his soul?

Also stated that X-Man will become the CEO of Superman Inc. through simple telepathy or fusing with Superman on the atomic level via matter/energy manipulation. X-Man has done himself & to others.

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Atom (Post Crisis) vs Atom (new 52)

New 52 Captain Atom while powerful is largely inexperienced with his powers; he's had a short career and his experience is rather limited. My Captain Atom on the other hand has already fought a version of himself in Monarch, dealing with duplicates isn't anything he's unused to. Since they both draw their power from the same force and all and my Atom has been shown to be able to shut down people's powers (Firestorm, The Ray) and transmute people's forms (Engineer, Maul).

My Atom is going to turn you Atom(s) back into their human form and cut off his (their) access to the Quantam field. Now in the scan you'll notice he say's he's not very good at that trick but that's with the normal mental limitations he puts on his powers, limitations Jean removed.

My Captain Atom's greater experience with his powers and in general should allow him to win the day.

Let’s for a second go with the assumption Pre 52 Captain Atom is alive and well to fight his counterpart. Then clearly DCnU Captain Atom has a lack of feats & who can deny that? Although using him for prep allows one to write blank checks.

But DCnU Captain Atom is a little more than a non factor providing a distraction for his enemies with the help of Hao.

While the SOF eats Hao will lie in wait healing & reviving his teammates

Remember this; well it goes the same for Captain Atom. Before you state DCnU Captain Atom is an energy being & beyond Hoa’s powers. It only takes a combination of creating bodies with energy manipulation to do this & Hao has casually created suns. Keeping Captain Atom around indefinitely

But why would Hao/Doom just allow Ore 52 Captain Atom to roam freely, when they have the ability to take his soul and powers. That would be two counts of stupidity; on my team & I'm incline to believe otherwise.

Fate Vs Hao

In addition to all his magical prowess Fate can manipulate Souls as well.

In fact he can pull them out of bodies and transport them to other dimensions. So I'd have him transport Hao's soul and his SoF to seperate dimensions. Taking them both out of the equation quickly and effectively.

Looking this over you seems to have left two key components out. But first clarification, Hao is synonymous with his power. As long as the Great Spirit, SOF, & Doom (has his power) are on the battle field Hao is there manifesting at will.

On top of that he has a telepathic link to X-Man & Cable both can bring him back.

Also the rules only allow temporary BFR no incapacitation or death in the process. Let’s say you craft out a scenario where Hao is temporarily BFR & your team defeats my team. What happens when your team brings back Hao for the final blow? Well my best guess is Hao brings back his teammates & then proceeds to soul rip/absorb anyone & everyone of your team. Rinse & repeat… But let’s cross that bridge when we get to it.

Jean vs Shaman X-Man

I believe that Jean holds and edge in a telepathic encounter against Nate, I think in terms of telekinesis they're fairly even, I might put a slight advantage to Jean. Anywho Jean can psionically shut off his powers.

I think she can overpower him mentally as well, even without the Phoenix she has Planetary level telepathic feats; the greatest one I can recall is taking Xavier's contagiousness into her own, breaking it apart into a million pieces, placing those pieces into mutants minds across the planet and then reassembling the pieces and restoring Xavier's mind. With the Phoenix amping her there shouldn't be a reason she couldn't beat him in a telepathic battle.

This one is the most interesting but the one I however do not see happening for a few reasons. Doom’s temporary BFR on Jean from the start. Also X-Man unwillingness to fight her it makes sense. She is his biological mother artificially, form a different time line but that counts in X-Men comics. He will win but would take no time incapacitate her from the start. Not using telepathy or telekinesis but time manipulation. Having multiple feats with time manipulation I say he wins that hands down.

Stopping space/time

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Feeling ripples in time

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Traveling the multiverse

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Moving out of time

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Icon Vs Savior

Icon can generate an E.M.P with his energy projection powers, there shouldn't be any reason that he couldn't shut down Cable's tech, he's too fast for Cable to fight against and Icon should have him unconcious in short order.

You've already stated a speed advantage goes to my team an advantage I'm taking full advantage of that.

When I listed tech I mostly meant access Providence Island’s tech things he no longer has. Rendering my team unconscious will only work if they are unable to get up not the case here.

But in any event the SOF eats Icon’s soul & already addressed the failed attempt to save him form it.

Your Strategy

If Cable tries to attack my team mentally he's going to get a massive psychic feedback now while I can't use her Dark Phoenix or P.O.T.W.C showings I can use the ones from New X-Men where Jean began to merge with the Phoneix. What I said above for Shaman X-Man should apply to Cable as well. And speaking of Shaman...

Superman is highly trained in mental discipline; in addition to psychic shielding he's learned from J'onn he has Torquasm-Vo fortifying his mind. A technique he's used to defeat Dominus in mental combat. Add that to Superman's willpower and ability to resist mind control and I don't think Nate is going to be able to overwhelm his mind.

As for your army of mindless ones, I believe Atom can quickly and easily deal with them, turning them (along with your team) into birds. He should also in theory to be able to pull Jean back from wherever Doom sent her; and if he can't Fate could.

I address all of this in one way or another, in a way that reinforces my opening strategy, & without blatantly changing it. Plus you conceded on that last point & I think that’s good on me…ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ

Now let's get to teamwork my team will play nice with each other yours on the other hand:

Doom by your own admission will only play nice with Hao.

Then we have Savior Cable; the guy who tried to reshape the entire world with his powers for the betterment of mankind. He has a messiah complex and I'd say he's not only going to not work with doom, he'll actively oppose him and Hao who's working with him by extension. And it's not like they're from different universe's or Doom is an obscure villian. He's infamous and very high profile, and any rigormaru Doom tries to feed to him about bettering the world together isn't going to be bought by Cable.

The way I see it, your team (and their effectiveness) have been cut in half at least. And with that I'll toss it back to you.

When did I state that X-Man, Doom, Cable, & Hao confronts each other on ideals become friends?

Also how does one actively oppose someone who is neutral and constantly healing you?

Do rules of time and place not apply? You envision Doom making Cable an offer he can't refuse?

I have given my stance for all your character interaction on my team & demonstrated this to you in through my strategy. Why not expand on that instead of creating something new?

#8 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (7092 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Posted by Sovereign91001 (3959 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr_ingenuity: Sorry I'm plotting a strategy and I'll have something up tonight.

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#12 Posted by beatboks1 (6958 posts) - - Show Bio

soverign you have 10 hours to offer rebuttal before i call for votes. sorry guy's some hie missed most of this

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#13 Posted by beatboks1 (6958 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok I'm running late

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#14 Posted by Sovereign91001 (3959 posts) - - Show Bio

@beatboks1: @esquire: @mr_ingenuity: Apologies I put this on the back burner and it slipped past me. There's no need to go to votes. Mr_I deserves the win here. Sorry guys.