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#1 Posted by NickA (2216 posts) - - Show Bio

Which one is worst?

#2 Edited by JediXMan (30285 posts) - - Show Bio

PIS. 
 
CIS is the character's faults. PIS is bringing in some outside influence.
 
EDIT: But WIS is the worst of all....

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#3 Posted by Twelve (229 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan:

Whats WIS?
#4 Posted by courtney12490 (3477 posts) - - Show Bio
@Twelve: Writer Induced Stupidity. It's when the writer does something stupid like randomly gives the character a new power without an explanation or ignores continuity.
#5 Posted by cascadeking09 (6752 posts) - - Show Bio

PIS is worse
#6 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@courtney12490: WIS isn't similar to PIS?=]
#7 Edited by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

CIS is actually good and enjoyable it is excellent for stories and character building  
 
As well PIS when used correctly can be wonderful to like Batman using his environment to defeat Clayface 

#8 Posted by courtney12490 (3477 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @courtney12490: WIS isn't similar to PIS?=] "
Similar. PIS is more the writer creating a plot to fit the needs of what they want to do with the character, but that doesn't make sense. WIS is just a writer being ignorant.
#9 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@courtney12490: Oh, i see. Like Loeb.=]
#10 Edited by rbysjti (10690 posts) - - Show Bio

PIS is worse than CIS.

#11 Posted by courtney12490 (3477 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @courtney12490: Oh, i see. Like Loeb.=] "
Yes.
#12 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@courtney12490: It still sound a ittle complicated because there are some events that can be named PIS and WIS.=]
#13 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @courtney12490: Oh, i see. Like Loeb.=] "
Not entirely I mean really where was the Hulk book going anyway? Who was reading it before? I certainly was not and I do not know anyone who was. Allot of good things have come from Loeb's tinkering Loeb gets a bad rap because most people lay the blame with out looking into it. Just look at Hush and Superman for all Seasons and you can never doubt Loeb again.
#14 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

The Writer , this is when fans need to do corrective action

#15 Posted by courtney12490 (3477 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @courtney12490: It still sound a ittle complicated because there are some events that can be named PIS and WIS.=] "
They're not mutually exclusive. 
#16 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" @spidey 15 said:
" @courtney12490: Oh, i see. Like Loeb.=] "
Not entirely I mean really where was the Hulk book going anyway? Who was reading it before? I certainly was not and I do not know anyone who was. Allot of good things have come from Loeb's tinkering Loeb gets a bad rap because most people lay the blame with out looking into it. Just look at Hush and Superman for all Seasons and you can never doubt Loeb again. "
I guess you might be right. But there are plenty events that Loeb write withput using logic. I don't think we can ingnore them, even if they come good things from that.=]
 
@courtney12490:
True.=]
#17 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio

What does PIS and CIS mean?

#18 Posted by NickA (2216 posts) - - Show Bio

Think of Batgirl's Career (Cassandra Cain)

#19 Posted by Twelve (229 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate it when people call PIS 

#20 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Primmaster64 said:
" What does PIS and CIS mean? "
Plot Included Stupidly
Character Included Stupidly
=]
#21 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15: Thanks =]
#22 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@Primmaster64: No prob.=]
#23 Edited by Reactor (2516 posts) - - Show Bio
@Primmaster64:  Here's a general breakdown of the terms, and examples:
 
PIS is Plot Induced Stupidity, which is when an event in a storyline of a comic book prevents characters from realistically using their full abilities in situations that should be obvious. PIS is also known as "Jobbing". Example: Batman easily defeating Shiva during the President Luthor arc.
 
CIS is Character Induced Stupidity, which is either when a character behaves out of typical personality to serve the needs of another character or storyline (borderline PIS), or is simply (and more commonly) the intellectual or personality shortcomings of the character. Example: Spider-Man wiping the floor with Venom, despite Venom clearly being the more powerful of the two.

WIS is Writer Induced Stupidity, the most unforgivable of the three, is when an ignorant, dreadfully unskilled, or flat-out stupid writer makes evident and outstanding blunders when writing for characters, especially when the blunder is extremely obvious. Example: When Rulk punched out the Watcher.
#24 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@Reactor: Good to know. Thanks
#25 Posted by Zoom (14668 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @courtney12490: Oh, i see. Like Loeb.=] "

Quote of the day.
#26 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

PIS is worse. Then WIS. Then CIS... 
 
An annoying trend here is VIS. Viner Induced Stupidity aka trolling... Hehehehe!

#27 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad: lol. This is a good one.
XD
#28 Edited by JediXMan (30285 posts) - - Show Bio
@Reactor said:
" @Primmaster64:  Here's a general breakdown of the terms, and examples:

WIS is Writer Induced Stupidity, the most unforgivable of the three, is when an ignorant, dreadfully unskilled, or flat-out stupid writer makes evident and outstanding blunders when writing for characters, especially when the blunder is extremely obvious. Example: When Rulk punched out the Watcher. "
@courtney12490 said:

" @Twelve: Writer Induced Stupidity. It's when the writer does something stupid like randomly gives the character a new power without an explanation or ignores continuity. "

Ah. You have no idea how happy I am that people are using and understanding this term.
 
@spidey 15 said:

" @courtney12490: WIS isn't similar to PIS?=] "


PIS is when there's a convenient plot device to make a character win. WIS is when a writer makes a stupid mistake, is ignorant, or is bias. 
 
Example: Rulk lifting Thor into space, claiming that he can lift the hammer because it's weightless in space (even though weight has nothing to do with it).
 
Get what I mean?
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#29 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan: Of course. Thanks.=]
#30 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

This isn't a battle.

#31 Posted by NickA (2216 posts) - - Show Bio

What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen
#32 Posted by Mercy_ (92684 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" This isn't a battle. "
^This. 
@NickA said:
" What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "
PIS? Can't really think of a really bad one right now. WIS? Because I tend to read things from writers that I love, there aren't a lot that come to mind, but Matt Fraction keeps trying to make Emma omega level and that's irritating as all get out. I love Emma, but she doesn't have the feats to back the omega level status.
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#33 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@NickA said:
" What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "
Spiderman beating firelord.
Rhino giving a fight to Silver Surfer
Bullseye KOing DD with a paper plane
Kingpin lifting a table and hitting spidey with it
etc..=]
#34 Posted by JediXMan (30285 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @NickA said:
" What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "
Spiderman beating firelord. Rhino giving a fight to Silver Surfer Bullseye KOing DD with a paper plane Kingpin lifting a table and hitting spidey with it etc..=] "
Those would all be WIS or CIS. PIS is generally a plot device, not making something happen that shouldn't happen.
 
Example: Reed Richards beating Galactus was a plot device. He used Galactus' weapon (the Ultimate Nullifier) against him.
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#35 Posted by NickA (2216 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan:
What about Batgirl dodging bullets after they're fired without having a single metahuman gene
#36 Posted by JediXMan (30285 posts) - - Show Bio
@NickA said:
" @JediXMan: What about Batgirl dodging bullets after they're fired without having a single metahuman gene "
That's comic book logic.
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#37 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @NickA said:
" What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "
Spiderman beating firelord. Rhino giving a fight to Silver Surfer Bullseye KOing DD with a paper plane Kingpin lifting a table and hitting spidey with it etc..=] "
Wait how is that pis? he's been consistantly tagging fast people his whole career.
#38 Posted by NickA (2216 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan:
but bullets travel over 2,000 feet per second
#39 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan: I don't think a plot device is what make something PIS. PIS is when we have a stupid/ bad writing in order to serve the plot. For example spidey beating firelord. Firelord is a herald of galactus. Only that explains how bad/stupid writing is for spidey being able to beat him.
As i said,WIS is similar to PIS but the difference is that what happened didn't serve the plot. It was a bad writing that the writer wanted it to be like this. I hope you get my meaning.=]
#40 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" @spidey 15 said:
" @NickA said:
" What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "
Spiderman beating firelord. Rhino giving a fight to Silver Surfer Bullseye KOing DD with a paper plane Kingpin lifting a table and hitting spidey with it etc..=] "
Wait how is that pis? he's been consistantly tagging fast people his whole career. "
That's very different.  
Either it was PIS or spidey let him to tag him. When you see your opponet  without him having super human speed, lifting a table and coming to hit you and you don't avoid it, then is really bad writing.=]
#41 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

 @spidey 15 said:

" @JediXMan: I don't think a plot device is what make something PIS. PIS is when we have a stupid/ bad writing in order to serve the plot. For example spidey beating firelord. Firelord is a herald of galactus. Only that explains how bad/stupid writing is for spidey being able to beat him. As i said,WIS is similar to PIS but the difference is that what happened didn't serve the plot. It was a bad writing that the writer wanted it to be like this. I hope you get my meaning.=] "
Well said! That's also my interpretation of it.
 
But does it matter what difference these things have? I mean as far as I'm concerned all these represent SA Superman... Nyahahaha!
#42 Posted by Reactor (2516 posts) - - Show Bio

This is probably closer to WIS, but, T'Challa putting Silver Surfer in a chokehold/joint lock position.
 
 

#43 Posted by The Mango (1477 posts) - - Show Bio
@NickA said:
" What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "

#44 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@spidey 15 said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @spidey 15 said:
" @NickA said:
" What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "
Spiderman beating firelord. Rhino giving a fight to Silver Surfer Bullseye KOing DD with a paper plane Kingpin lifting a table and hitting spidey with it etc..=] "
Wait how is that pis? he's been consistantly tagging fast people his whole career. "
That's very different.   Either it was PIS or spidey let him to tag him. When you see your opponet  without him having super human speed, lifting a table and coming to hit you and you don't avoid it, then is really bad writing.=] "
1.Kingpin is very fast for a man of his size, multiple people have noted it including Daredevil,and Spiderman.
 2.A table has a wide strike radius it's not like doding a knife or baseball bat if it hits you it's going to hit you on a good portion of your body at once.
#45 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad: lol
#46 Posted by The Mango (1477 posts) - - Show Bio
@Reactor: Damn same time, LOL
#47 Posted by Reactor (2516 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mango: Great minds think alike, bro.
#48 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" @spidey 15 said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @spidey 15 said:
" @NickA said:
" What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "
Spiderman beating firelord. Rhino giving a fight to Silver Surfer Bullseye KOing DD with a paper plane Kingpin lifting a table and hitting spidey with it etc..=] "
Wait how is that pis? he's been consistantly tagging fast people his whole career. "
That's very different.   Either it was PIS or spidey let him to tag him. When you see your opponet  without him having super human speed, lifting a table and coming to hit you and you don't avoid it, then is really bad writing.=] "
1.Kingpin is very fast for a man of his size, multiple people have noted it including Daredevil,and Spiderman.  2.A table has a wide strike radius it's not like doding a knife or baseball bat if it hits you it's going to hit you on a good portion of your body at once. "
1) It's different to tag someone with your own fists. This is accepatable.
2) My point is that kingpin needs time to lift the table and try to attack with it. Spidey has spider-sense and super human reflexes. Not to mention that the whole time he was looking at kingpin. I can't find any excuse of kingpin being so fast that he was able to lift a desk and then land it at spidey.=]
#49 Posted by Mercy_ (92684 posts) - - Show Bio
@Reactor said:
" This is probably closer to WIS, but, T'Challa putting Silver Surfer in a chokehold/joint lock position.
 
  "
He doesn't even have human anatomy. 
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#50 Posted by JediXMan (30285 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Dark Huntress: 
 
HE'S NOT EVEN HUMAN!
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