Which one is worst?
PIS vs CIS
CIS is actually good and enjoyable it is excellent for stories and character building
As well PIS when used correctly can be wonderful to like Batman using his environment to defeat Clayface
" @courtney12490: WIS isn't similar to PIS?=] "Similar. PIS is more the writer creating a plot to fit the needs of what they want to do with the character, but that doesn't make sense. WIS is just a writer being ignorant.
" @courtney12490: Oh, i see. Like Loeb.=] "Not entirely I mean really where was the Hulk book going anyway? Who was reading it before? I certainly was not and I do not know anyone who was. Allot of good things have come from Loeb's tinkering Loeb gets a bad rap because most people lay the blame with out looking into it. Just look at Hush and Superman for all Seasons and you can never doubt Loeb again.
" @courtney12490: It still sound a ittle complicated because there are some events that can be named PIS and WIS.=] "They're not mutually exclusive.
" @spidey 15 said:I guess you might be right. But there are plenty events that Loeb write withput using logic. I don't think we can ingnore them, even if they come good things from that.=]" @courtney12490: Oh, i see. Like Loeb.=] "Not entirely I mean really where was the Hulk book going anyway? Who was reading it before? I certainly was not and I do not know anyone who was. Allot of good things have come from Loeb's tinkering Loeb gets a bad rap because most people lay the blame with out looking into it. Just look at Hush and Superman for all Seasons and you can never doubt Loeb again. "
@courtney12490:
True.=]
PIS is Plot Induced Stupidity, which is when an event in a storyline of a comic book prevents characters from realistically using their full abilities in situations that should be obvious. PIS is also known as "Jobbing". Example: Batman easily defeating Shiva during the President Luthor arc.
CIS is Character Induced Stupidity, which is either when a character behaves out of typical personality to serve the needs of another character or storyline (borderline PIS), or is simply (and more commonly) the intellectual or personality shortcomings of the character. Example: Spider-Man wiping the floor with Venom, despite Venom clearly being the more powerful of the two.
WIS is Writer Induced Stupidity, the most unforgivable of the three, is when an ignorant, dreadfully unskilled, or flat-out stupid writer makes evident and outstanding blunders when writing for characters, especially when the blunder is extremely obvious. Example: When Rulk punched out the Watcher.
PIS is worse. Then WIS. Then CIS...
An annoying trend here is VIS. Viner Induced Stupidity aka trolling... Hehehehe!
" @Primmaster64: Here's a general breakdown of the terms, and examples:@courtney12490 said:
WIS is Writer Induced Stupidity, the most unforgivable of the three, is when an ignorant, dreadfully unskilled, or flat-out stupid writer makes evident and outstanding blunders when writing for characters, especially when the blunder is extremely obvious. Example: When Rulk punched out the Watcher. "
Ah. You have no idea how happy I am that people are using and understanding this term." @Twelve: Writer Induced Stupidity. It's when the writer does something stupid like randomly gives the character a new power without an explanation or ignores continuity. "
@spidey 15 said:
" @courtney12490: WIS isn't similar to PIS?=] "
PIS is when there's a convenient plot device to make a character win. WIS is when a writer makes a stupid mistake, is ignorant, or is bias.
Example: Rulk lifting Thor into space, claiming that he can lift the hammer because it's weightless in space (even though weight has nothing to do with it).
Get what I mean?
" This isn't a battle. "^This.
@NickA said:
" What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "PIS? Can't really think of a really bad one right now. WIS? Because I tend to read things from writers that I love, there aren't a lot that come to mind, but Matt Fraction keeps trying to make Emma omega level and that's irritating as all get out. I love Emma, but she doesn't have the feats to back the omega level status.
" @NickA said:Those would all be WIS or CIS. PIS is generally a plot device, not making something happen that shouldn't happen." What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "Spiderman beating firelord. Rhino giving a fight to Silver Surfer Bullseye KOing DD with a paper plane Kingpin lifting a table and hitting spidey with it etc..=] "
Example: Reed Richards beating Galactus was a plot device. He used Galactus' weapon (the Ultimate Nullifier) against him.
" @NickA said:Wait how is that pis? he's been consistantly tagging fast people his whole career." What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "Spiderman beating firelord. Rhino giving a fight to Silver Surfer Bullseye KOing DD with a paper plane Kingpin lifting a table and hitting spidey with it etc..=] "
As i said,WIS is similar to PIS but the difference is that what happened didn't serve the plot. It was a bad writing that the writer wanted it to be like this. I hope you get my meaning.=]
" @spidey 15 said:That's very different." @NickA said:Wait how is that pis? he's been consistantly tagging fast people his whole career. "" What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "Spiderman beating firelord. Rhino giving a fight to Silver Surfer Bullseye KOing DD with a paper plane Kingpin lifting a table and hitting spidey with it etc..=] "
Either it was PIS or spidey let him to tag him. When you see your opponet without him having super human speed, lifting a table and coming to hit you and you don't avoid it, then is really bad writing.=]
@spidey 15 said:
" @JediXMan: I don't think a plot device is what make something PIS. PIS is when we have a stupid/ bad writing in order to serve the plot. For example spidey beating firelord. Firelord is a herald of galactus. Only that explains how bad/stupid writing is for spidey being able to beat him. As i said,WIS is similar to PIS but the difference is that what happened didn't serve the plot. It was a bad writing that the writer wanted it to be like this. I hope you get my meaning.=] "Well said! That's also my interpretation of it.
But does it matter what difference these things have? I mean as far as I'm concerned all these represent SA Superman... Nyahahaha!
" @geraldthesloth said:1.Kingpin is very fast for a man of his size, multiple people have noted it including Daredevil,and Spiderman." @spidey 15 said:That's very different. Either it was PIS or spidey let him to tag him. When you see your opponet without him having super human speed, lifting a table and coming to hit you and you don't avoid it, then is really bad writing.=] "" @NickA said:Wait how is that pis? he's been consistantly tagging fast people his whole career. "" What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "Spiderman beating firelord. Rhino giving a fight to Silver Surfer Bullseye KOing DD with a paper plane Kingpin lifting a table and hitting spidey with it etc..=] "
2.A table has a wide strike radius it's not like doding a knife or baseball bat if it hits you it's going to hit you on a good portion of your body at once.
" @spidey 15 said:1) It's different to tag someone with your own fists. This is accepatable." @geraldthesloth said:1.Kingpin is very fast for a man of his size, multiple people have noted it including Daredevil,and Spiderman. 2.A table has a wide strike radius it's not like doding a knife or baseball bat if it hits you it's going to hit you on a good portion of your body at once. "" @spidey 15 said:That's very different. Either it was PIS or spidey let him to tag him. When you see your opponet without him having super human speed, lifting a table and coming to hit you and you don't avoid it, then is really bad writing.=] "" @NickA said:Wait how is that pis? he's been consistantly tagging fast people his whole career. "" What is the worst case of PIS yall have seen "Spiderman beating firelord. Rhino giving a fight to Silver Surfer Bullseye KOing DD with a paper plane Kingpin lifting a table and hitting spidey with it etc..=] "
2) My point is that kingpin needs time to lift the table and try to attack with it. Spidey has spider-sense and super human reflexes. Not to mention that the whole time he was looking at kingpin. I can't find any excuse of kingpin being so fast that he was able to lift a desk and then land it at spidey.=]
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