PikminMania's Tournament Round 1: Sherlock VS God__Spawn

 You can comment but your vote will not be official yet until the debaters can fill nearly two pages with debates
This is it ladies and gentlemans..... the first fight in a series of a bunch lol, the fight of a lifetime, in...Central Park, half of at at least.
Everyone's strength and speed is lowered to Venom's if it exceeds the qualifications.
Everyone's durability is lowered to Wolverine if it exceeds the qualifications
1 CLIP = 12 ROUNDS

EDIT: Use this more than a battle map,you can still have a map of what you want your guys doing though.
Like what Bucketz said:

 instead of putting out scenarios, you guys debate which of your teams would win. With scenarios there are too many variables and plans for the other team ignored. Think of this as one of the team battle threads, you each support the team that goes with it. Also scenarios seem to be causing arguments. 
I dunno if you are supposed to put scenarios, but if not then just use logic, proof and scans to show why your team would win.


No prep
Each team gets 10 hours to get to know their other teammates and make plans, etc.
Each team is walking through this park until they bump into each other, so the fight is a random encounter

God_Spawn:

Awesome sause
@PikminMania: Thanks man

OK if i start ill need to do so after dinner (Mostly because i need some idea time)

I'll follow up after the gym and  on research cause i have no idea who 3 of those guys are on your team.

Takes me to our Mystique vs Mcginnis thread.

OK so here my opener (I know Pikmin said no scenarios but thats how i debate in this sort of thing dont worry ill keep it in hand and make sure there is no fighting)

Top start off my team will use the 10 hours to party it up some in typical nerd fashion.Comic video games movies pizza wings and beer.

According to the OP we already met randomly so no real watch and wait type stuff coming on.
Canary pulls out a quick scream which should do some damage to Daken because of his advanced hearing
Krauser will take to the trees with his TMP and try to take people out in that manner
Mystique will go Chameleon and take people out without them seeing her
Teresa and Blink will just go for an all out offencive

*Grabs popcorn*

This should be good.

We'll see

Sherlock wins because I don't like God_spawn.

Alright here is my opening post.

Creeper laughs. This causes a pain sensation to all those who hear it pretty much stunning people and causing them pain like a high pitched kinda noise (affecting anyone except his own team). So while the opposing team is stunned

Creed's sword imagine blade level 1 is an invisible practically unbreakable sword that can turn visible and  can extend to 80 meters in length. a quick swirl around with it fully extended is bound to hit someone if not cut down some trees and Creed can deflect multiple bullets with his sword with a few swings so he isn't spinning it but performing multiple slashes and along with his HF that can regrow new organs and limbs bullets won't be a problem.

Vergil like Dante is practically bullet proof and can catch bullets on his sword and lay them out and slash them back on top of that his healing factor pretty much closes wounds instantly and yamato is sharp and can cut through objects from a distance and objects that are quite tall will come down and he can cut his opponent so fast they are basically dead before they know it and he and Dante fighting their combat speed is so great, in the pouring rain, not a drop touched the ground til they clashed swords. So cutting from a distance with his sword at that speed means trouble for alot of people.

Zuko can fire up the trees, leaving more ammo for him to bend and also getting rid of the tree hiding factor.

Daken's senses will come in handy and with tracking people.

@god_spawn: oh so that is why

@god_spawn: Vergil's durability is lowered to that of WolverineAlso I when I read Creed's profile it said he could just become invisible, but he can also make his sword 80 meters?

@PikminMania said:

@god_spawn: oh so that is why

Lol what? i'm confused, sus just likes clowning around. We make fun of eachother all the time.

@Sherlock: a list of what exactly? Powers? abilities?

Alright here is my opening post.Creeper laughs. This causes a pain sensation to all those who hear it pretty much stunning people and causing them pain like a high pitched kinda noise (affecting anyone except his own team). So while the opposing team is stunnedCreed's sword imagine blade level 1 is an invisible practically unbreakable sword that can turn visible and  can extend to 80 meters in length. a quick swirl around with it fully extended is bound to hit someone if not cut down some trees and Creed can deflect multiple bullets with his sword with a few swings so he isn't spinning it but performing multiple slashes and along with his HF that can regrow new organs and limbs bullets won't be a problem.Vergil like Dante is practically bullet proof and can catch bullets on his sword and lay them out and slash them back on top of that his healing factor pretty much closes wounds instantly and yamato is sharp and can cut through objects from a distance and objects that are quite tall will come down and he can cut his opponent so fast they are basically dead before they know it and he and Dante fighting their combat speed is so great, in the pouring rain, not a drop touched the ground til they clashed swords. So cutting from a distance with his sword at that speed means trouble for alot of people.Zuko can fire up the trees, leaving more ammo for him to bend and also getting rid of the tree hiding factor.Daken's senses will come in handy and with tracking people.

This.....is....intense

@Bucketz: 

This... is... Sparta~! +|Doom kicks|+ Couldn't resist. +|Resumes watching the debate.|+

1:I dont believe Creepers laugh works in that way i believe anyone who hears it gets the pain sensation which in this case would include the rest of your team

Gallery

2:Again i know nothing about Creed but a sword that size wouldnt be very hard to dodge and everyone here is agile enough to do it without trouble

3:Teresa is also very fast she should be able to engage him without an issue

4:Zuko is your weak link here.He has the worst reaction time here and has a good chance of being taken out by a stray shot

5:Daken would most likely be taken out when Dinah uses her scream

If you look in this Logan says that grey hulk thunderclap nearly kills him.Dinahs Scream out does that considerably

@Bucketz: 

This... is... Sparta~! +|Doom kicks|+ Couldn't resist. +|Resumes watching the debate.|+

Hm. I'm not voting yet but at the moment, I am leaning in Sherlock's favor.

Most of that isnt going to help him much since everyone with Durability above wolverine gets dummed down to his level anyway so that shouldnt be a problem for anyone on my team

Zuko has never had to dodge anything as fast as a bullet so if Krauser took a shot at him he would be finished

The only people on my team who may be apposed to killing would be Canary.Krauser Mystique Teresa and Blink wouldnt have much problem

And on one last note any of your team that goes blocking every projectile with their swords like you said Vergil and Creed would do will eventually get one of blinks and will be teleported out of the battle

@Sherlock:
My turn. Alright where to start.
Creeper with the laugh if he does it before Canary's cry he has the chance to put her down whether its a claw or KO, so for that i say we call it stalemate since it's who shoots first.

  

  Wolverine's durability is relatively high, i still think most incidents where he gets hurt by a guy like Mr. X i call it PIS, since more often than not he's still ok after tanking punches from bricks who are much stronger than the levels of strength we are restricted to right now. he's been punched by Wonder Man, Hulk, Thing, Colossus ( back in the old days at full strength). So attacks from Mystique and anyone around her level would be  manageable atleast for Vergil.

Vergil's sword Yamato cuts through the fabric of Space and Time, it was even deemed possible on this site it could through adamantium. The only thing the sword has not cut through was Dante's sword anything else can and will be cut.  Dante used it and tore down that huge gate.
    

Onto vergil's speed, because of the game graphics it looks slower but if it were anime style, i'd roughly guess it would be the same speed as Teresa.
    

 

    

 

 I won't disagree he;s mainly used for canon fodder and smoking out the enemies.

  

  

Dinah being unwilling to kill could prove a disadvantage, as im guessing morals are on. your other 4 characters are willing to kill but that could prevent Dinah from just outright using Canary's scream.


 

  

  Well that is kind of a cheap ability....anyways Creed's imagine blade level 2 is transforms into a living sword, it moves faster than multiple bullets and can eat projectiles and spit them back and can still elongate and cut through things harder than titanium and diamond easily. The best way to describe is thing of a blitzing mr. fantastic razor blade.  Vergil's long distance capabilities would prove enough. His rapid slashes can attack at a distance and he can also shoot his summon swords to either further block projectiles or create a shield around  of his body and he can shoot them off constantly while attacking to block projectiles at a distance to keep from hitting his blade. His other ability you guys have to deal with is since he can  speed burst and also cut from a distance he can cover the entire area with his slashes in a few moments and since Yamato is supposed to cut through anything besides Rebellion, your team is in trouble.

Not sure if he performs the attack in the video but it gives an example on the space warp cut. but if everyone that can burst in speed they should be around the same speed, the only difference is Vergil's attacks would be a problem because Yamato slices through space and time and arguable adamantium, ( i'll try and find the thread I think it was Ferro Vida who said so) so your team is in trouble. He could perform this right at the beginning and Dinah shouldn't even get the chance to scream.
  

Nice debate , I say Sherlock looking at the teams but i'll save my vote till the debate is done

Not true if you notice in your scans of Creeper the people while in pain are still talking and screaming Dinah could manage the same thing

I have scans of mystique putting him down i can post those if you like.Whil;e Vergil would be able to take her out easily with his lowered durability she could do the same to hi m

I didnt see anything to demonstrate that.I will admit thats a cool trick but nothing in that video suggests that at all

I can agree with that though i think Elaina is faster and Teresa has no trouble with her at all so i think her reflexes might be better.BTW you exagerated greatly on it originally

Her Canary cry ranges is strength as shes demonstrated when shes hit lower durability level people with and it and it hasnt killed them.Shes not stupid and shes well aware of this.I dont see any reason why she wouldnt use it

LOL After reading the rest of your post i had to laugh.Blinks projectiles teleporting people away is cheap and yet you have characters that have sword that can extend to 80 meters and cut through titanium and another whos sword can supposedly cut through adamantium.Blink doesnt need to teleport your teammates away.It may work just as well to cut your weapons in half while she cant tele dismember the people on your team nothing said she could do so to the weapons

Dont forget that no one will know where Mystique is Blink is a teleporter Teresa and Krauser have insane reflexes and Dinah will be screaming i dont think that Vergils first thought is going to be do a huge attack which gives my team a huge advantage

@god_spawn: 

It was a good match up none the less. Sherlock's team came off as more effective as a unit.

@god_spawn: 

It was a good match up none the less. Sherlock's team came off as more effective as a unit.

@Sherlock: I conceide. I'll admit your team outclasses mine save for Vergil and the only way i'm gonna win this is with Vergil's burst speed and multiple long distance slashes with a sword that cuts through virtually anything and constantly killing my own team in the process which i think is too cheap of a move. Vergil did it to Dante so he can and would most likely do it to anyone, there isn't a reason he really won't unless he actually wants a fight. I don't want to have to keep spamming the attack and there is a possibility i will have to bring that if i did beat you. I don't want to win in a really cheap manner so good luck to ya for the rest of the tourney. Vergil is just too cheap and good debate even if short.

@god_spawn: 

It was a good match up none the less. Sherlock's team came off as more effective as a unit.

Aw really?I will admit that is seriously cheap but i had a backup plan which was just as cheap...Blink teleports everyone into space theres no rule against it and shes demonstrated the ability though thats not a way i would want to win.Either way it was fun your pretty good at this.Hopefully well get a chance to finish one

@Sherlock:
 

Aw really?I will admit that is seriously cheap but i had a backup plan which was just as cheap...Blink teleports everyone into space theres no rule against it and shes demonstrated the ability though thats not a way i would want to win.Either way it was fun your pretty good at this.Hopefully well get a chance to finish one

 Lol so we both have cheap abilities. Anyways thx for the complement too, i think you're one of the best debaters on the site that still debates so it means something and im glad  i could give you a decent run considering how i once was but a noob few months ago. I was asked to join in the tourney and i was one of the last entrees so i worked my best with what i had, and what i could get and my team just didnt flow too well. I agree, one days lets finish our debates, maybe if we get an actual scenario, morals and location we could do something fun. I'd really like to bump our old Mystique vs Mcginnis thread we were stuck in deadlock on that and that was fun.

@god_spawn: Yeah iv noticed

@Sherlock said:

@god_spawn: Yeah iv noticed

So did Spidey look what he made me XD

Sure it exaggerates a bit but since alot of the better guys left or don't debate as much anymore i've had to get better. Which is why im glad your back, i needed someone to give me a good debate, unfortunately i wasn't as prepared for this one.

@god_spawn: Im actaullu serious about that though not in debating.Im stil counting the Batman Beyond VS Mystique thing your win