@Prince CortSether said:
" @LordOfAllHumans said:
" @Argantyr said:
" @marvellover1: And why is that? If Phoenix Force truly exists in every universe, much like the many abstracts, then Shuma-Gorath has defeated Phoenix Force 100+ times. If not, then Phoenix Force is universal, not to mention all other alternate reality Phoenix Force entities have been royally demolished i.e. Goblin Force, which was only a portion of the Phoenix Force, but still it triumphed. Shuma-Gorath hasn't had nearly as many low showings as Phoenix Force, not even death can seem to kill Shuma-Gorath, nay, even cripple him. At the very least, Shuma-Gorath has had to get BFRd more time than he was defeated, and when he was he was defeated with his own power alone where as the Phoenix Force has been destroyed by Shi-Ar weapons, had a portion of it trapped in a sword, etc, etc.Phoenix Force = Most overrated abstract with Mikaboshi trailing in second place. "
Not even death can seem to kill Phoenix either, nay even cripple it, the Phoenix has avatars that exists in every universe wheter mortal or firebird, the Force proper resides outside of all space, time and dimensions, it's power touchs them all. The Phoenix was not destroyed by any Shi'ar weapon, a piece of it was reconstituted by one weapon, the weapon they believed would kill it failed and was neutralized by the White Phoenix. The portion was not trapped in the sword, their was residual energy left and Jean easily took it back, even Rachel was able to extract some because the piece in it recognized her and bonded, if it were trapped it would not have been able to decide to give her a piece of itself . "
The Phoenix Force is extremely vulnerable:
- Nearly gets killed by an alien spaceship
- Gets shattered by Xorn with a planetary EMP
- Gets shattered by the Shiar
- Nearly erased by Galactus
- BFR’d and beaten by a few members of the X-Men and some of the Ultraforce.
Let's see an actual decent feat from Phoenix instead of hyperbole. Shuma-Gorath has shown better. "
1. Was being used as a power source by an alien spaceship, and broke out, was stolen from Amber, used again got pissed broke out again and crippled it, inadvertantly being responsible for superhumans on that Earth.
2. And reconstitutes
3. Becomes a Dark Phoenix about to destroy the Earth and maybe more if left unchecked.
4. And nearly takes the universe with it.
5. Returns to it's home traversing both time and dimensions.
She has decent showings, your low open of them notwithstanding, her biggest feats, as few as they are, are granding in scale than his as far as the kind of power it takes to accomplish them, actual in print, actual printed feats not hyperbole.
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