Phantom Stranger and ION vs Parallax and Lord Marvel

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#1  Edited By King_Saturn

Can Phantom Stranger and Original ION (Kyle Rayner) defeat Parallax of Zero Hour (Hal Jordan) and Lord Marvel.

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#2  Edited By warlock360

Parallax of Zero Hour (Hal Jordan) and Lord Marvel.

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#3  Edited By Nighthunter

team 1

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#4  Edited By King_Saturn

Nighthunter says:

"team 1"

I think this would be one hell of a battle. I cant really decide.

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#5  Edited By Supreme Marvel

I thought Parallax was stronger than ION.

But in my opinion i think Lord Marvel is more powerful than the others. Magic being a great help against ION, and also Marvel knows all magic, Telepathy. He should be stronger than Phantom Stranger.

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Supreme Marvel says:

"I thought Parallax was stronger than ION. But in my opinion i think Lord Marvel is more powerful than the others. Magic being a great help against ION, and also Marvel knows all magic, Telepathy. He should be stronger than Phantom Stranger."

He should, but do you know for a fact that Lord Marvel is more powerful than Phantom Stranger ? Cause I dont.

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Supreme Marvel says:

"I thought Parallax was stronger than ION.But in my opinion i think Lord Marvel is more powerful than the others. Magic being a great help against ION, and also Marvel knows all magic, Telepathy. He should be stronger than Phantom Stranger."

Ion is more powerfull than parallax. maybe also than marvel

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Nighthunter says:

"Supreme Marvel says:
"I thought Parallax was stronger than ION.But in my opinion i think Lord Marvel is more powerful than the others. Magic being a great help against ION, and also Marvel knows all magic, Telepathy. He should be stronger than Phantom Stranger."

Ion is more powerfull than parallax. maybe also than marvel"

no

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King Saturn says:

"Supreme Marvel says:
"I thought Parallax was stronger than ION. But in my opinion i think Lord Marvel is more powerful than the others. Magic being a great help against ION, and also Marvel knows all magic, Telepathy. He should be stronger than Phantom Stranger."

He should, but do you know for a fact that Lord Marvel is more powerful than Phantom Stranger ? Cause I dont."

Thats why i said in my opinion. Am going off what i've seen in Trials of shazam and Katnna and Shazam.

If people use this 'book' to cast magic, or the birth of magic, and its a part of Lord Marvel, why shouldn't he be more powerful. Not forgetting all the marvels powers inside of him. and Shazam

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plus the fact that he can rewrite it lol

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Warlock360 says:

"plus the fact that he can rewrite it lol"

that also.

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if someone is looking for an example look at Black adams recent events ;) Shazam Changed the "magic" word

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It'll come down to Ion vs Marvel. If it's orignal Ion, then he's basically the Parallax power and then some. So he takes it. Marvel has more to call on than PS does. I'm not sure who to call between Marvel and Ion..... I guess Ion. Until we see Marvel mess with the fabrick of the universe like that, it's speculation.

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#14  Edited By SilverMan91

wasn't ION more powerful than parallax? were do they stand nowadays?  and can anyone explain what created ION? cause people say it wasdifferent energies and i dint understand it.

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#15  Edited By sexy_merc

Kyle goes back in time and the incident in Coast City never happens. He could solo this and beat Parallax in so many different ways. Phantom Stranger can take a nap.

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@Sexy Merc said:
"Kyle goes back in time and the incident in Coast City never happens. He could solo this and beat Parallax in so many different ways. Phantom Stranger can take a nap. "

 I think ION is more poweful then parallax but hes not doing this alone ZH Parallax would give him hell this might be a toss up but i say team 1 barely
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#17  Edited By sexy_merc
@slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
"Kyle goes back in time and the incident in Coast City never happens. He could solo this and beat Parallax in so many different ways. Phantom Stranger can take a nap. "
 I think ION is more poweful then parallax but hes not doing this alone ZH Parallax would give him hell this might be a toss up but i say team 1 barely "
He is doing it alone. Lord Marvel isn't a threat to Kyle. Kyle in Zero Hour took hits from Parallax as a Green Lantern. Now you have Kyle with the Central Power Battery of Oa, the power of every Guardians (not the weak New Guardians, and except Ganthet), every Green Lantern Ring in existence, Parallax (Hal, he had the power of Parallax when we see the manifestation of Hal within him as he absorbed his power), and Oblivion (we also see the manifestation).
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@Sexy Merc said:
" @slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
"Kyle goes back in time and the incident in Coast City never happens. He could solo this and beat Parallax in so many different ways. Phantom Stranger can take a nap. "
 I think ION is more poweful then parallax but hes not doing this alone ZH Parallax would give him hell this might be a toss up but i say team 1 barely "
He is doing it alone. Lord Marvel isn't a threat to Kyle. Kyle in Zero Hour took hits from Parallax as a Green Lantern. Now you have Kyle with the Central Power Battery of Oa, the power of every Guardians (not the weak New Guardians, and except Ganthet), every Green Lantern Ring in existence, Parallax (Hal, he had the power of Parallax when we see the manifestation of Hal within him as he absorbed his power), and Oblivion (we also see the manifestation). "

Im still not sure i actually just finished reading zero hour hand of god was good too
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#19  Edited By sexy_merc
@slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
" @slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
"Kyle goes back in time and the incident in Coast City never happens. He could solo this and beat Parallax in so many different ways. Phantom Stranger can take a nap. "
 I think ION is more poweful then parallax but hes not doing this alone ZH Parallax would give him hell this might be a toss up but i say team 1 barely "
He is doing it alone. Lord Marvel isn't a threat to Kyle. Kyle in Zero Hour took hits from Parallax as a Green Lantern. Now you have Kyle with the Central Power Battery of Oa, the power of every Guardians (not the weak New Guardians, and except Ganthet), every Green Lantern Ring in existence, Parallax (Hal, he had the power of Parallax when we see the manifestation of Hal within him as he absorbed his power), and Oblivion (we also see the manifestation). "
Im still not sure i actually just finished reading zero hour hand of god was good too "
I am sure though.
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@Sexy Merc said:
" @slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
" @slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
"Kyle goes back in time and the incident in Coast City never happens. He could solo this and beat Parallax in so many different ways. Phantom Stranger can take a nap. "
 I think ION is more poweful then parallax but hes not doing this alone ZH Parallax would give him hell this might be a toss up but i say team 1 barely "
He is doing it alone. Lord Marvel isn't a threat to Kyle. Kyle in Zero Hour took hits from Parallax as a Green Lantern. Now you have Kyle with the Central Power Battery of Oa, the power of every Guardians (not the weak New Guardians, and except Ganthet), every Green Lantern Ring in existence, Parallax (Hal, he had the power of Parallax when we see the manifestation of Hal within him as he absorbed his power), and Oblivion (we also see the manifestation). "
Im still not sure i actually just finished reading zero hour hand of god was good too "
I am sure though. "

yes but in a previous thread i made which was dr.solar vs classic ion vs am coie u said ion would win
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#21  Edited By sexy_merc
@slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
" @slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
" @slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
"Kyle goes back in time and the incident in Coast City never happens. He could solo this and beat Parallax in so many different ways. Phantom Stranger can take a nap. "
 I think ION is more poweful then parallax but hes not doing this alone ZH Parallax would give him hell this might be a toss up but i say team 1 barely "
He is doing it alone. Lord Marvel isn't a threat to Kyle. Kyle in Zero Hour took hits from Parallax as a Green Lantern. Now you have Kyle with the Central Power Battery of Oa, the power of every Guardians (not the weak New Guardians, and except Ganthet), every Green Lantern Ring in existence, Parallax (Hal, he had the power of Parallax when we see the manifestation of Hal within him as he absorbed his power), and Oblivion (we also see the manifestation). "
Im still not sure i actually just finished reading zero hour hand of god was good too "
I am sure though. "
yes but in a previous thread i made which was dr.solar vs classic ion vs am coie u said ion would win "
You should know when I'm being serious and when I'm not. Kyle COULD theoretically beat Anti-Monitor though.
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@Sexy Merc said:
" @slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
" @slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
" @slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
"Kyle goes back in time and the incident in Coast City never happens. He could solo this and beat Parallax in so many different ways. Phantom Stranger can take a nap. "
 I think ION is more poweful then parallax but hes not doing this alone ZH Parallax would give him hell this might be a toss up but i say team 1 barely "
He is doing it alone. Lord Marvel isn't a threat to Kyle. Kyle in Zero Hour took hits from Parallax as a Green Lantern. Now you have Kyle with the Central Power Battery of Oa, the power of every Guardians (not the weak New Guardians, and except Ganthet), every Green Lantern Ring in existence, Parallax (Hal, he had the power of Parallax when we see the manifestation of Hal within him as he absorbed his power), and Oblivion (we also see the manifestation). "
Im still not sure i actually just finished reading zero hour hand of god was good too "
I am sure though. "
yes but in a previous thread i made which was dr.solar vs classic ion vs am coie u said ion would win "
You should know when I'm being serious and when I'm not. Kyle COULD theoretically beat Anti-Monitor though. "

U Have spoken Madness Ion would mees Am COIE up but he would not beat him Buts as i said team 1 takes this in a ruff fight
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#23  Edited By RiseofApocalypse

Kyle Rayner wins imo. Hal makes him work for it though.

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#24  Edited By sexy_merc
@slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
" @slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
" @slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
" @slacker the hacker said:
" @Sexy Merc said:
"Kyle goes back in time and the incident in Coast City never happens. He could solo this and beat Parallax in so many different ways. Phantom Stranger can take a nap. "
 I think ION is more poweful then parallax but hes not doing this alone ZH Parallax would give him hell this might be a toss up but i say team 1 barely "
He is doing it alone. Lord Marvel isn't a threat to Kyle. Kyle in Zero Hour took hits from Parallax as a Green Lantern. Now you have Kyle with the Central Power Battery of Oa, the power of every Guardians (not the weak New Guardians, and except Ganthet), every Green Lantern Ring in existence, Parallax (Hal, he had the power of Parallax when we see the manifestation of Hal within him as he absorbed his power), and Oblivion (we also see the manifestation). "
Im still not sure i actually just finished reading zero hour hand of god was good too "
I am sure though. "
yes but in a previous thread i made which was dr.solar vs classic ion vs am coie u said ion would win "
You should know when I'm being serious and when I'm not. Kyle COULD theoretically beat Anti-Monitor though. "
U Have spoken Madness Ion would mees Am COIE up but he would not beat him Buts as i said team 1 takes this in a ruff fight "
No directly but what if he goes back in time and stops the creation of the Anti-Matter Universe, it's a possibility considering he's omniscient..
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#25  Edited By sexy_merc
@slacker the hacker: Pre-Retcon, before the symbiotes, it's already canon that Kyle as ION was above Hal as Parallax, though this is Zero Hour, there isn't a huge difference. This scan I dug up should explain it clearer and it also shows that Kyle is omnipresent in the last little panel.
 

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#26  Edited By FinalStar86

On paper Ion is more powerful then Parallax although Parallax has better feats

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#27  Edited By sexy_merc
@FinalStar86 said:
" On paper Ion is more powerful then Parallax although Parallax has better feats "
I can agree with this.
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#28  Edited By Achilles.

parallax and marvel

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#29  Edited By Valtot

i cant figure out what to belive with ion he sais hes everywhere but omnipresence means you little are spread throughout the universe you wouldnt have a physical body shape like ion just showed, and omniscience he didnt show either more on the lines of high cosmic awareness but ye team 1 wins