#1 Posted by Amazonia_Kryptonia (23 posts) - - Show Bio

The DBZ guys or the DC guys?

#2 Posted by Amazonia_Kryptonia (23 posts) - - Show Bio

Perfect Cell, Kid Buu, and Ultimate Form Freeza, vs JLU Amazo, Zoom, and Superboy Prime at full power. Who wins? DBZ guys or DC guys?

#3 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

DC should win in a stomp

#4 Posted by Grandmastersexyhd (305 posts) - - Show Bio

Superboy Prime and Zoom? Oh goodness DC

#5 Edited by Batman242 (4860 posts) - - Show Bio

DC in a stomp.

#6 Posted by King Saturn (223796 posts) - - Show Bio

Amazo, Zoom, Superboy Prime wins easy... won't nobody on the DBZ team be able to even see Zoom... and Superboy Prime will clobber whoever he is going up against... Amazo can also be very effective because of his versatility.

#7 Edited by Tim_Drake4444 (1070 posts) - - Show Bio

Ouch, DC stomps hard in this bout

#8 Posted by Immortal777 (6843 posts) - - Show Bio

wow

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#9 Edited by SMXLR8 (1285 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

As much as it pains me to say it, this is a one-sided mismatch.

#11 Posted by NeonGameWave (7686 posts) - - Show Bio

DC stomps.

#12 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11707 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom could very well solo, he hits almost has hard as SBP and is a hundred times faster, hell SBP could solo, hell depending on the version Amazo could solo....

#13 Posted by Juiceboks (7764 posts) - - Show Bio

Mismatch to the max. Anyone on DBZ team can solo..

#14 Posted by uberhikari (2421 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks: Are you serious? Suerboy Prime survived a universe destroying blast from Monarch. And Kid Buu is useless here because SBP is pretty much immune to magic.

#15 Edited by Immortal777 (6843 posts) - - Show Bio

DC team plays rock paper scissors to figure out who gets to solo.

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#16 Posted by Batman242 (4860 posts) - - Show Bio

Mismatch to the max. Anyone on DBZ team can solo..

Please.....explain.

#17 Posted by Juiceboks (7764 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by Batman242 (4860 posts) - - Show Bio

@juiceboks: I mean, you did say it. I can't hear you, so I can't detect sarcasm.

#19 Posted by Tacos_Kickass (844 posts) - - Show Bio

Amazo.

#20 Edited by ImBoredLetsDebate (451 posts) - - Show Bio

JLU Amazo could solo all of them except for Zoom

#21 Edited by Juiceboks (7764 posts) - - Show Bio

@batman242

I really just thought I'd try and make light of the situation by making a humorous remark. No one who knows anything about any of the DC characters would say they lose here. As long as theyre in their right mind anyway.

#22 Posted by theONEtaichou (1502 posts) - - Show Bio

this is a mismatch, heck I would go as far as to say a spite match.

potentially I would say anyone on team DC can solo but my problem is Kid Buu... how could they defeat him... he learns techniques and attacks seemingly instantly as he did with the IT (kinda like a ki powered Amazo)... eh...

#23 Posted by theONEtaichou (1502 posts) - - Show Bio

JLU Amazo could solo all of them except for Zoom

I think minus PIS JLU Amazo (the gold one) should solo all of them, including Zoom

#24 Posted by trebean (625 posts) - - Show Bio

this is a mismatch, heck I would go as far as to say a spite match.

potentially I would say anyone on team DC can solo but my problem is Kid Buu... how could they defeat him... he learns techniques and attacks seemingly instantly as he did with the IT (kinda like a ki powered Amazo)... eh...

I dunno, Reverse Speed Force Dump by Zoom?

#25 Edited by THC (367 posts) - - Show Bio

Amazo can steal Cell's versatile powers granted by his DNA which contains Frieza's so they're not even worth anything. Superboy vaporizes Buu a few times before Zoom throws him into some time vortex or some shit. Zoom could solo easily by tearing Cell apart on a molecular level, though that wouldn't eliminate Buu, but again some sort of time/reality/Speed Force technique would.

Not sure if Superboy alone has the versatility to take out Buu.

Amazo could solo too.

#26 Edited by theONEtaichou (1502 posts) - - Show Bio

@thc said:

Amazo can steal Cell's versatile powers granted by his DNA which contains Frieza's so they're not even worth anything. Superboy vaporizes Buu a few times before Zoom throws him into some time vortex or some shit. Zoom could solo easily by tearing Cell apart on a molecular level, though that wouldn't eliminate Buu, but again some sort of time/reality/Speed Force technique would.

Not sure if Superboy alone has the versatility to take out Buu.

Amazo could solo too.

I suppose except the way Kid Buu learned the IT, Fat Buu did Vegeta's attacks against Goku it seems that Buu should be able to recreate attacks that his combatants do especially Kid Buu who did it from watching the Goku/Vegeta/Kai while blowing up the Earth. I suppose Superboy HV's Buu, Buu does similar back to him?

As for time Vortex couldn't Buu IT out of it, he did cross worlds and dimensions instantly.

With the Amazo its tough, I wanna say Buu copies Amazo's attacks as much as Amazo copies his attacks...

@trebean: I didn't know Zoom had access to the Speed force like the Flashes...

#27 Edited by THC (367 posts) - - Show Bio

I like to stay out of Buu debates because I'm seriously not a fan of the saga after Buu is hatched, I truly found the Fusion Saga horrendously boring.

And yeah Zoom might not solo Buu but he also might, I dunno, he'll certainly blast him apart with IMPs a few times at the least

#28 Edited by terry2012 (4760 posts) - - Show Bio

Laughing out loud, I'm like DBZ, but DC guys stomp horribly. Amazo Can solo this with ease. All he have to do is think them out of existent. Unless Kid buu does exactly what he did to the earth.

#29 Edited by Bossmonster (2163 posts) - - Show Bio

@theonetaichou: I will reaffirm that everyone on DC team solos.

In regards to you asking about Kid Buu,

During his fight with Fat Buu, it proved that not only does Buu take damage but gets tried and that is powers are limited. I say that given that they are both the same creature.

With that in mind, with amazo's already power set and seeing Buu, he stomps him out.

Zoom just murder stomps Buu all night long. This doesn't require explanation.

If Prime and punch though different reality walls, he will devastate Kid Buu. Buu is a casual planet buster. But Prime took the Big Bang, but did not survive the Spirit Bomb of much less yield.

Cell and Freeza are really not factors.

#30 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

dc stomp

#31 Posted by theONEtaichou (1502 posts) - - Show Bio

@theonetaichou: I

will reaffirm that everyone on DC team solos.

In regards to you asking about Kid Buu,

During his fight with Fat Buu, it proved that not only does Buu take damage but gets tried and that is powers are limited. I say that given that they are both the same creature.

With that in mind, with amazo's already power set and seeing Buu, he stomps him out.

Zoom just murder stomps Buu all night long. This doesn't require explanation.

If Prime and punch though different reality walls, he will devastate Kid Buu. Buu is a casual planet buster. But Prime took the Big Bang, but did not survive the Spirit Bomb of much less yield.

Cell and Freeza are really not factors.

Amazo can solo, the others cannot. Superboy Prime cannot win against Kid Buu, it would take more than pure physical strength to take down Kid Buu so he cannot solo. Again I asked what Zoom can do - I am still not convinced of the Speed force bfr. He has relativistic time control which he uses to achieve great speeds but no Speedforce abilities. So he has speed and strength, again how does he take down Kid Buu?

By the way surviving a Big Bang is about Prime's durability not his damage output... he can survive Big Bangs all he wants doesn't mean he can deal enough damage to equal a Big Bang. I stand by physical strength will not defeat Buu, and apart from Amazo who should be able to copy ki, that is all the DC team bring. Vast strength and Speed. Who here will make a spirit bomb?

I agree, Cell and Freeza are non-factors.

#32 Posted by Bossmonster (2163 posts) - - Show Bio

@theonetaichou:

Amazo can solo

Real Talk.

Superboy Prime cannot win against Kid Buu, it would take more than pure physical strength to take down Kid Buu so he cannot solo.

No. This was disproved by the fight between Kid Buu and Fat Buu. Kid Buu beat Fat buu into submission for all intents and purposes. More so, because Kid Buu has such high durability, Fat also ran out of energy to attack with. Further more, Kid buu was stomped by Super Buff Kai (I actually don't know his name.) But these things show that Kid buu can be beat up and stopped. Heat Vision on Full power after he's weaken would finished he job.

Again I asked what Zoom can do - I am still not convinced of the Speed force bfr. He has relativistic time control which he uses to achieve great speeds but no Speedforce abilities. So he has speed and strength, again how does he take down Kid Buu?

Speed corruption and not being able to be hit. IMP. I think he might be able to speed steal.

By the way surviving a Big Bang is about Prime's durability not his damage output... he can survive Big Bangs all he wants doesn't mean he can deal enough damage to equal a Big Bang. I stand by physical strength will not defeat Buu, and apart from Amazo who should be able to copy ki, that is all the DC team bring. Vast strength and Speed. Who here will make a spirit bomb?

I stand by Physical strength of Prime. Again, with him being able to psychically distort reality with his power alone, I think we are talking about a entirely different level of punching power. I agree with you on Amazo. Zoom, back to IMP. However after further though, perhaps, that is a stalemate.

I agree, Cell and Freeza are non-factors.

Real Talk.

#33 Posted by Walzo (4355 posts) - - Show Bio

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#34 Posted by theONEtaichou (1502 posts) - - Show Bio

@theonetaichou:

Amazo can solo

Real Talk.

Superboy Prime cannot win against Kid Buu, it would take more than pure physical strength to take down Kid Buu so he cannot solo.

No. This was disproved by the fight between Kid Buu and Fat Buu. Kid Buu beat Fat buu into submission for all intents and purposes. More so, because Kid Buu has such high durability, Fat also ran out of energy to attack with. Further more, Kid buu was stomped by Super Buff Kai (I actually don't know his name.) But these things show that Kid buu can be beat up and stopped. Heat Vision on Full power after he's weaken would finished he job.

Fat Buu =/= Kid Buu, in fact Kid Buu outpaces on endurance everybody including Fat Buu, his energy level didn't weaken. Goku even notes that Kid Buu is not getting weaker during their fight, Fat Buu on the other hand got pummelled and lost his energy, so unless Kid Buu must behave exactly as Fat Buu (contradicted many time by the things Fat Buu and Kid Buu did) I don't think Kid/Fat Buu's are transferable. Not forgetting the ki attacks done on Fat Buu aas well as the ones Fat Buu did which would deplete his power.

Kid Buu was not stomped, they fought and he toyed with the Buff Kai, letting him tear limbs off and regenerate and attack with said regenerated limb, allow himself to be cut and ki blast away, no stomping there but of Buff Kai. I doubt HV would put him down, considering he can just be elastic when he is pummelled as he did in his fight with Goku = lessening the damage of physical attacks.

Again I asked what Zoom can do - I am still not convinced of the Speed force bfr. He has relativistic time control which he uses to achieve great speeds but no Speedforce abilities. So he has speed and strength, again how does he take down Kid Buu?

Speed corruption and not being able to be hit. IMP. I think he might be able to speed steal.

I know Zoom cannot be tagged here, but how does he take down Buu. Wait, since when can Zoom speed steal?

I still standby that it takes more than physical strength to beat Buu, Goku did ki and physical attacks and nothing! It too a PIS spirit bomb to defeat him.

I stand by Physical strength of Prime. Again, with him being able to psychically distort reality with his power alone, I think we are talking about a entirely different level of punching power. I agree with you on Amazo. Zoom, back to IMP. However after further though, perhaps, that is a stalemate.

I agree Prime's strength is bar none here. And as much as I love Prime and his reality distortion punches, when he punched other beings nothing trans-dimensional occurred. They bled, they died (and it was fun), black holes and tears into alternate realities etc did not occur.

I still stand by that Amazo can solo (I question if he can make a spirit bomb or can he increase his ki to huge levels to do a ki attack that destroys Kid Buu), the others bring a powerset I don't believe can defeat Kid Buu.

#35 Edited by AngryHulks (3000 posts) - - Show Bio

@bossmonster said:

@theonetaichou: I

will reaffirm that everyone on DC team solos.

In regards to you asking about Kid Buu,

During his fight with Fat Buu, it proved that not only does Buu take damage but gets tried and that is powers are limited. I say that given that they are both the same creature.

With that in mind, with amazo's already power set and seeing Buu, he stomps him out.

Zoom just murder stomps Buu all night long. This doesn't require explanation.

If Prime and punch though different reality walls, he will devastate Kid Buu. Buu is a casual planet buster. But Prime took the Big Bang, but did not survive the Spirit Bomb of much less yield.

Cell and Freeza are really not factors.

Amazo can solo, the others cannot. Superboy Prime cannot win against Kid Buu, it would take more than pure physical strength to take down Kid Buu so he cannot solo. Again I asked what Zoom can do - I am still not convinced of the Speed force bfr. He has relativistic time control which he uses to achieve great speeds but no Speedforce abilities. So he has speed and strength, again how does he take down Kid Buu?

By the way surviving a Big Bang is about Prime's durability not his damage output... he can survive Big Bangs all he wants doesn't mean he can deal enough damage to equal a Big Bang. I stand by physical strength will not defeat Buu, and apart from Amazo who should be able to copy ki, that is all the DC team bring. Vast strength and Speed. Who here will make a spirit bomb?

I agree, Cell and Freeza are non-factors.

Superboy Prime have energy-based attack, heat vision, which is much more powerful than Superman's, it can be used to atomized Buu. His ice breath can also freeze Buu, and Prime can toss him into the Sun, and as far as I knew, several DBZ characters have their final resting place inside the Sun.

Not to mention Superboy Prime at full power is Superman Prime with Guardian energy.

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#37 Posted by Bossmonster (2163 posts) - - Show Bio

@theonetaichou:

1) In regard to them being equal, I agree with that. However, they are in fact different versions of the same creature. Thus not much of them should change between version. I thought that I admitted to Kid buu having the higher durability and stamina of the two. If I did now, I will now. However, Prime makes that look like nothing. That is to say, if Kid Buu can make Fat buu look foolish and really all he did was beat him up, toss him around and blast him now and again, what would Prime do to Buu who physically dwarfs them both? That is my point. All of Buu Ki based attacks are non factors given Primes ability to walk away from a big bang and we know Buu doesn't punch or kick that hard either. So, What can buu hope to do but change him to Candy which was discribed as Magic that not only is Prime not weak against, but is so easy to avoid (when PIS isn't involved) that it can be blown back at the user. (Super Breath anyone??)
But Perhaps, you and I are just of different minds on this matter. Either way, I respect the points you made and respectfully disagree.

2)Perhaps I should say it differently. Zoom slows down the time around him from what I understand. This is not unlike speed steal. Also, I recall him having the ability to create a anti speed force. The two should effectively make Kid Buu motionless. But, as I said, this is likely a stalemate as I see now way for Kid Buu to ever defeat Zoom.

3)Much like you said about the Spirit Bomb, Prime not knocking people out of reality is just PIS. He used that punch on more than one occasion so it's a legit thing he can do, why he never did it to people is stupid to me. So, I accept what you are saying about that, but seriously, he should be able to one shot just about anyone he can tag.

#38 Edited by AnotherVillain (33 posts) - - Show Bio

lol you guys do know freiza WAY WAY WAYYYYYYYY weaker than the other dbz fighters destroyed planet vegeta which is bigger than earth in his base form LITERALLY with one finger. in his base form.. where he is in 1% of his power. and if you guys wanna talk feats master roshi destroyed the moon in 2 seconds with his kamehama.. that proves 1. kamehama travels FTL and 2. goku has dodged attacks faster than the kamehama before he was even ssj1so doesnt that mean hes FTL.. and kid buu is a galaxy buster and cell says hes a solar system buster but that doesnt mean he is so that wont cant..so we have a confirmed planet buster, a solar system buster(not confirmed), and a galaxy bustter.

#39 Edited by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (19908 posts) - - Show Bio

@anothervillain said:

lol you guys do know freiza WAY WAY WAYYYYYYYY weaker than the other dbz fighters destroyed planet vegeta which is bigger than earth in his base form LITERALLY with one finger. in his base form.. where he is in 1% of his power. and if you guys wanna talk feats master roshi destroyed the moon in 2 seconds with his kamehama.. that proves 1. kamehama travels FTL and 2. goku has dodged attacks faster than the kamehama before he was even ssj1so doesnt that mean hes FTL.. and kid buu is a galaxy buster and cell says hes a solar system buster but that doesnt mean he is so that wont cant..so we have a confirmed planet buster, a solar system buster(not confirmed), and a galaxy bustter.

Problem is Zoom could kill all these guys in under a picosecond. 2 seconds and faster than light isn't fast enough. I don't think you really understand Zoom's powers. He isn't fast. He isn't technically even in the same timeline as ours. No matter how fast you are, he will be "faster".

Jay Garrick explaining Zoom's powers

Humiliates Impulse

Effortlessly beats Jay Garrick and Wally West

Defeats Wally West even when he used Jay Garrick's Speed Force

  • Note that this allows Wally to go at lightspeeds instantly, so none of the DBZ team will have an attack fast enough to even touch Hunter Zolomon.

Beating Wally West again with Jesse Quick's Speed Force

Fighting so fast that Superman doesn't notice

  • Superman is generally accepted to have far greater travel speed, and on-par combat speed with Goku. Clark doesn't even notice Zoom/Wally's fight (which lasts less than a second), so how would anyone on the DBZ Team even touch Zoom?

I'm sorry but these DBZ Villains are outclassed. This is Zoom alone, not even accounting Superboy Prime, and Amazo (who has beaten the entire JLA before).

#40 Posted by AnotherVillain (33 posts) - - Show Bio

@anothervillain said:

lol you guys do know freiza WAY WAY WAYYYYYYYY weaker than the other dbz fighters destroyed planet vegeta which is bigger than earth in his base form LITERALLY with one finger. in his base form.. where he is in 1% of his power. and if you guys wanna talk feats master roshi destroyed the moon in 2 seconds with his kamehama.. that proves 1. kamehama travels FTL and 2. goku has dodged attacks faster than the kamehama before he was even ssj1so doesnt that mean hes FTL.. and kid buu is a galaxy buster and cell says hes a solar system buster but that doesnt mean he is so that wont cant..so we have a confirmed planet buster, a solar system buster(not confirmed), and a galaxy bustter.

Problem is Zoom could kill all these guys in under a picosecond. 2 seconds and faster than light isn't fast enough. I don't think you really understand Zoom's powers. He isn't fast. He isn't technically even in the same timeline as ours. No matter how fast you are, he will be "faster".

Jay Garrick explaining Zoom's powers

Humiliates Impulse

Effortlessly beats Jay Garrick and Wally West

Defeats Wally West even when he used Jay Garrick's Speed Force

  • Note that this allows Wally to go at lightspeeds instantly, so none of the DBZ team will have an attack fast enough to even touch Hunter Zolomon.

Beating Wally West again with Jesse Quick's Speed Force

Fighting so fast that Superman doesn't notice

  • Superman is generally accepted to have far greater travel speed, and on-par combat speed with Goku. Clark doesn't even notice Zoom/Wally's fight (which lasts less than a second), so how would anyone on the DBZ Team even touch Zoom?

I'm sorry but these DBZ Villains are outclassed. This is Zoom alone, not even accounting Superboy Prime, and Amazo (who has beaten the entire JLA before).

does zoom have super strength or anything like that? cause i dont see zoom even hurting any of those Z villains. Freiza survived a planet explosion with half his body cut off and he survived in space after the explosion with his half body. i just dont see zoom hurting the Z vallians.. i may be wrong since i dont know much about zoom

#41 Posted by Wardemon32 (4073 posts) - - Show Bio

So this is

2 Superboy Primes and Two Zooms and Kid Buu, Perfect Cell, Freeza vs Kid Buu, Perfect Cell, and Freiza?

#42 Edited by theONEtaichou (1502 posts) - - Show Bio

Superboy Prime have energy-based attack, heat vision, which is much more powerful than Superman's, it can be used to atomized Buu. His ice breath can also freeze Buu, and Prime can toss him into the Sun, and as far as I knew, several DBZ characters have their final resting place inside the Sun.

Not to mention Superboy Prime at full power is Superman Prime with Guardian energy.

I doubt ice breath would hold anyone here, as for HV... I have never seen it used like that and also how long? Is Kid Buu not allowed to regenerate while SBP blasts so as to atomise KB? And while he is on his way to the sun should he forget IT as well?

SBP at full power is SBP, not Man Prime with GA.

#43 Edited by theONEtaichou (1502 posts) - - Show Bio

@bossmonster:

1) Like you said they are different versions of the same creature. So while they are both Buu, one was stronger (Kid Buu) and seemingly inexhaustable in a fight where he lasted longer against SS3 Goku, did more ki attacks, and took more ki+physical attacks and still was not depowering. He was on a different level than Fat Buu. I do agree Buu can be beaten down physically (by anyone on team DC actually) but I question being put down by physical strength. I do not believe anyone can hurt Prime here, that is not what I am saying. But they cannot finish off Buu due to his properties barring Amazo. I still say DC wins, due to Amazo, without him I would say stalemate due to Kid Buu.

We are of different minds in this battle. It's cool, it's what makes debates fun.

2) I do agree here but I have never heard of the anti-speedforce ability. Guess I need to read up on Zoom

3) I would so love that, Prime punching people out realities. Finally I would just post scans of that in Prime vs WBH forum battles. So much fun!

#44 Edited by trebean (625 posts) - - Show Bio

Zoom does have his own Speed Force

"Zoom created a negative Speed Force that consumes the regular Speed Force with every step that he takes. When enough of it is generated and someone is made a host for this energy it will consume anyone the host touches who has access to the Speed Force. The Negative Speed Force is like cancer to the regular Speed Force and was basically Professor Zoom's attempt to have Barry kill his loved ones. But it needs the regular Speed Force to exist."

It's in Flash Rebirth.

@anothervillain:

You don't need Super Strength when you're fast, a FTL punch has the same impact as a White Dwarf Star .

#45 Posted by ComicStooge (11991 posts) - - Show Bio

@trebean said:

Zoom does have his own Speed Force

"Zoom created a negative Speed Force that consumes the regular Speed Force with every step that he takes. When enough of it is generated and someone is made a host for this energy it will consume anyone the host touches who has access to the Speed Force. The Negative Speed Force is like cancer to the regular Speed Force and was basically Professor Zoom's attempt to have Barry kill his loved ones. But it needs the regular Speed Force to exist."

It's in Flash Rebirth.

@anothervillain:

You don't need Super Strength when you're fast, a FTL punch has the same impact as a White Dwarf Star .

Wrong Zoom, dude.

#46 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (19908 posts) - - Show Bio

@anothervillain said:

does zoom have super strength or anything like that? cause i dont see zoom even hurting any of those Z villains. Freiza survived a planet explosion with half his body cut off and he survived in space after the explosion with his half body. i just dont see zoom hurting the Z vallians.. i may be wrong since i dont know much about zoom

Zoom has hurt characters as durable, if not more durable, than the DBZ characters. He has no trouble taking (and dishing) shots out/from the high-tier heroes.

Hunter Zolomon explaining his powers

Punching Wonder Woman harder than Superman

Owning Wonder Woman a bit more.

Zoom tanking Flash's punch (which is going over 100,000 mph).

Throwing a few million punches in seconds

Soloing The Justice League

And if this is Eobard Thawne Professor Zoom, this is a bit of what he could do :

Blitzing Superman, Hal Jordan, Booster Gold, Rip Hunter

#47 Posted by russellmania77 (14539 posts) - - Show Bio

dc boys, only cuz zoom, nobody else would even mess with kid buu

#48 Posted by xlab3000 (3130 posts) - - Show Bio

DC stomps