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#1 Posted by GhostRider29 (2673 posts) - - Show Bio

Both are book versions only. Morals are off, Eragon gets his dragon. Battle is near a river. They start off with Eragon on Saphira 100 feet away and Percy ten feet away from the river. Who wins?  
 
 
 
 
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#2 Posted by Saren (25688 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither one are comic characters.

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#3 Posted by difficlus (10679 posts) - - Show Bio

Percy Jackson is basically unbeatable when he gets in water. I'd root for him though i barely know anything about eragon

#4 Posted by Jezer (3129 posts) - - Show Bio

...Shouldn't Percy get his flying Pegasus Black Jack?
#5 Posted by difficlus (10679 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jezer said:
...Shouldn't Percy get his flying Pegasus Black Jack?
it only gives him flying advantage -which he doesn't need- its better to keep him in water.  
he should be invulnerable to whatever the dragon lands on him.  
I'd also say he has better combat speed, deflecting bullets with his sword in sea of monsters compared to eragon catching arrows. 
#6 Posted by Jezer (3129 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh, I guess you're right. I just saw the comparison between Percy being able to talk to Black Jack with his mind. And Eragon doing the same with Saphira. 
But...lol all BlackJack can really do in this fight is fly, so he'd be worthless -  which is what you said.
 
I'm not entirely sure that Percy has faster combat speed than Eragon, who got boosted into an elf giving him superhuman strength, speed, everything. 
 
I'd put them as equal since I forget the specific examples of how much faster Elfs were than humans.  
Furthermore, there aren't bullets in Eragon. You can't really argue that Percy is faster since the projectiles he deflected are faster than the projectiles Eragon caught - they both are faster than the projectiles of their respective worlds.
#7 Posted by difficlus (10679 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jezer said:
Eh, I guess you're right. I just saw the comparison between Percy being able to talk to Black Jack with his mind. And Eragon doing the same with Saphira. But...lol all BlackJack can really do in this fight is fly, so he'd be worthless -  which is what you said. I'm not entirely sure that Percy has faster combat speed than Eragon, who got boosted into an elf giving him superhuman strength, speed, everything.  I'd put them as equal since I forget the specific examples of how much faster Elfs were than humans.  Furthermore, there aren't bullets in Eragon. You can't really argue that Percy is faster since the projectiles he deflected are faster than the projectiles Eragon caught - they both are faster than the projectiles of their respective worlds.
In the last book after becoming invulnerable bullets bounce off him and arrows and swords shatter on his skin, stuff like bombs/grenades cause no harm at all. He becomes basically unkillable. Only high tier magic can affect him. In water he has limitless stamina and augmented strength and skill, with his ADHD he has acutely sharp combat senses. 
#8 Posted by Jezer (3129 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, the Elf upgrade for Eragon and River Styx upgrade for Percy is what makes this a really good fight. 
 
I forget, did Percy ever show any telepathic defense or skill?
#9 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9740 posts) - - Show Bio

With moral off, actually even with morals on, Eragon could break into his mind and kill him with 1 word.
Death words have to be restricted for this fight

#10 Posted by Final Arrow (24388 posts) - - Show Bio

@buttersdaman000: It has never been shown how magic works against demi and gods within inheritance we can't just assume it will work!

#11 Posted by difficlus (10679 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jezer said:
Yeah, the Elf upgrade for Eragon and River Styx upgrade for Percy is what makes this a really good fight.  I forget, did Percy ever show any telepathic defense or skill?
..he did fight off Kronos trying to come into his mind...but that was in dreams. 
#12 Posted by Jezer (3129 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know, I figured Death Words wouldn't work on him with his invunerability - since harming that one spot is supposed to be the only way to kill Percy. 
 
But then I figured Eragon could break into his mind and find his weakpoint.
#13 Edited by buttersdaman000 (9740 posts) - - Show Bio
@Final Arrow
Magic doesnt work the same in Eragons books as they do most others though. All he has to do is break into Percys mind and say/think a death word....and Percy will die, whether it be from heart stoppage, nerve in his brain being shut off, or whatever.
 
@Jezer
I think Eragons regular magic wont work as well on Percy since he is a demigod. 
#14 Posted by difficlus (10679 posts) - - Show Bio
@buttersdaman000: No the only way to damage or kill him (physically or otherwise) is the spot on his back. His entire soul and body is invulnerable from death. He's unkillable. 
#15 Posted by Jezer (3129 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:
@Jezer said:
Yeah, the Elf upgrade for Eragon and River Styx upgrade for Percy is what makes this a really good fight.  I forget, did Percy ever show any telepathic defense or skill?
..he did fight off Kronos trying to come into his mind...but that was in dreams. 

Oh okay. I don't think that's enough to show he can stand up to Eragon's telepathic assualt, though.
#16 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9740 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus
Ahh ok...so his heart cant even be commanded to stop beating?
Also, how powerful does the magic have to be to effect Percy?
 
But, if Eragon couldnt possibly defeat Percy through sword combat since he is invulnerable that only leave telepathy and magic.
#17 Posted by difficlus (10679 posts) - - Show Bio
@buttersdaman000 said:
@difficlus:  Ahh ok...so his heart cant even be commanded to stop beating? Also, how powerful does the magic have to be to effect Percy?  But, if Eragon couldnt possibly defeat Percy through sword combat since he is invulnerable that only leave telepathy and magic.
Only Lord Kronos has been seen affecting him. The usual magic that would kill him doesn't hurt him anymore. However Kronos slows/freezes down time (he's the god of time) and though percy wasn't completely frozen he was moving in slow motion only. 
#18 Posted by Final Arrow (24388 posts) - - Show Bio

@buttersdaman000: I have read the Eragon books but what I am saying we have never seen how this magic would work against a demi god or god, we have never seen how his magic would effect anyone of that level.

#19 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9740 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus
Hmm I dont think eragons magic would work then......maybe if he combined his strength with Saphira, but seeing as how a god couldnt completely affect Percy, I dont think Eragon and Saphira should. 
That only leaves TP, which Eragon is a master with. He could break into Percy's mind and incapacitate him with pain and sift through his thoughts until he finds Percys one weak point.
#20 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9740 posts) - - Show Bio
@Final Arrow
I dont think magic would work anymore
#21 Posted by difficlus (10679 posts) - - Show Bio
@buttersdaman000 said:
@difficlus:  Hmm I dont think eragons magic would work then......maybe if he combined his strength with Saphira, but seeing as how a god couldnt completely affect Percy, I dont think Eragon and Saphira should.  That only leaves TP, which Eragon is a master with. He could break into Percy's mind and incapacitate him with pain and sift through his thoughts until he finds Percys one weak point.
I doubt he'd know that at first. meanwhile percy closes the distance and goes for a kill. 
#22 Posted by GhostRider29 (2673 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane
Don't need to be.
#23 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9740 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus
With morals of the first thing Eragon would do is break into Percys mind and use a death word. Once that fails he would probably press harder into percys mind, causing a lot of pain in the process. Once he finds the reason he keeps up his assault, walks up to percy and stabs him in his weak spot.
#24 Posted by Jezer (3129 posts) - - Show Bio

I forget, in the first book was Eragon battling Durza(the Shade) with his sword while they were struggling against each other's mind?
#25 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9740 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jezer
Yeah, but Durza's memories were screwing with Eragon which allowed Durza to slash him in the back before Eragon could react
#26 Posted by difficlus (10679 posts) - - Show Bio
@buttersdaman000: I'm not even sure this telepathy will work. Is it based on magic?
#27 Posted by Jezer (3129 posts) - - Show Bio
@buttersdaman000 said:
@Jezer:  Yeah, but Durza's memories were screwing with Eragon which allowed Durza to slash him in the back before Eragon could react

Okay. Just making sure he can sword fight and telepathically fight at the same time. 
 
Difficlus- I don't remember his telepathy being based in magic. But I'm not too sure. However, I think it's different from the magic they use - as I don't remember him using wards or saying anything to perform it.
#28 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9740 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus
No, I just think you have to be trained in it. But it comes easier to those who can wield magic.
#29 Posted by difficlus (10679 posts) - - Show Bio
@buttersdaman000 said:
@difficlus:  No, I just think you have to be trained in it. But it comes easier to those who can wield magic.
Ok then. 
#30 Posted by progenitor (7541 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll go with Percy Jackson here.
#31 Posted by jojjimbo (2472 posts) - - Show Bio

Percy Jackson.

#32 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9740 posts) - - Show Bio
@jojjimbo: @progenitor
 
Why?
#33 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

 
Rooting for Eragon since this thread reminded me how he had some solid telepathy going on in the books.

#34 Posted by venomyak (1443 posts) - - Show Bio

eragon uses telepathy  to win plus i think a sleep spell might work on percy
#35 Posted by GhostRider29 (2673 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow there are some good arguements here.
#36 Posted by davdjams (51 posts) - - Show Bio

by putting percy near water this has made things very difficult for eragon but as people have already established death words would be effective in this case.

#37 Posted by Jezer (3129 posts) - - Show Bio

@davdjams said:

by putting percy near water this has made things very difficult for eragon but as people have already established death words would be effective in this case.

They wouldn't because most death words shut down the heart or affect parts of the body that are invunerable on Percy.

Eragon would have to break into his mind, find out his weakness, and specifically attack the small of his back.

#38 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

Eragon has this, TP should be enough, he has also a better sword and Saphira is here, I really can't see how Percy could win. If somehow Percy resists TP, then one of the twelve killing spells, or a decently powerfull magic blast should do.

#39 Posted by _Cain_ (23670 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmm......

#40 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jezer: Percy is not invulnerable anymore.

#41 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9740 posts) - - Show Bio

Final book Eragon should take this without a hitch 

#42 Posted by Jezer (3129 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMightyAvenger said:

@Jezer: Percy is not invulnerable anymore.

I'm almost positive the Percy in this thread is the invunerable one that was featured throughout most of the last book.

#43 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jezer: OP only states that they are book versions, which implies the most current one, and in Neptune's Son he loses the curse. But even if he had the curse Eragon would still defeat him, would be a better fight but Eragon is still out of his league in terms of swordsmanship and mental powers, this might change though, as there are still a few more books to come.

#44 Posted by Jezer (3129 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMightyAvenger said:

@Jezer: OP only states that they are book versions, which implies the most current one, and in Neptune's Son he loses the curse. But even if he had the curse Eragon would still defeat him, would be a better fight but Eragon is still out of his league in terms of swordsmanship and mental powers, this might change though, as there are still a few more books to come.

Neptune's Son was released in October after this thread was initially made, thus the current book version the OP meant was him at the end of the last Olympian.

Also, why do you think Percy is out of league in his swordsmanship? What argument do you have for that?

#45 Posted by Alex_Tides145210 (73 posts) - - Show Bio

waste of time after the last book percy became invincible with only one secret weak spot eragon is toast

#46 Posted by venomyak (1443 posts) - - Show Bio

Eragon: "Slytha"

(Percy passes out and Eragon stabs him)

#47 Posted by TheMightyAvenger (1912 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jezer: Oh yeah, didn't see when the thread was made.

As for why Eragon is out of his league, first Eragon has the body of an elf, which makes him stroger, faster, and gives him better reflexes than a normal human, and he has better training with better masters, he was trained by Brom, trained with Murtagh, Arya and Oromis, while Percy is more of a self taught swordsman, he never had any formal training ( unless you count his few classes with Luke ). With the curse Eragon can't really hurt him in a direct way, so he'd have to enter Percy's mind and discover his weak spot.

#48 Posted by The Impersonator (5483 posts) - - Show Bio

Isn't this supposed to be a battle between comic book characters? :P

#49 Posted by Skaddix (3114 posts) - - Show Bio

Eragon. Sure Percy is immune to physical attacks pretty much but that will not stop Eragon from breaking into Percy's mind and crushing it.

#50 Posted by Jezer (3129 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMightyAvenger said:

@Jezer: Oh yeah, didn't see when the thread was made.

As for why Eragon is out of his league, first Eragon has the body of an elf, which makes him stroger, faster, and gives him better reflexes than a normal human, and he has better training with better masters, he was trained by Brom, trained with Murtagh, Arya and Oromis, while Percy is more of a self taught swordsman, he never had any formal training ( unless you count his few classes with Luke ). With the curse Eragon can't really hurt him in a direct way, so he'd have to enter Percy's mind and discover his weak spot.

Percy is a demi-god which gave him natural fighting skill, speed, and reflexes before he was even trained at Camp Half Blood. He's matched blades with The God of War who's been alive for how many thousands of years? And managed to injure him. He's matched swords with the God of Time. He's extremely battle tested, regardless of not being trained as extensively as Eragon, which shows his skill.

Training doesn't necessarily matter - Murtagh was able to best Eragon despite his training at the Battle of Burning Plains. Roran was able to best a multitude of soldiers despite his lack of training.

I wouldn't say either of them have necessarily shown better sword skill than the other. They're both proficient swordsmen who rely a great deal on their swordsmanship.

But yes, Eragon would win through his mental attack.