Could have sworn this was who could actually beat Superman to death the same exact way DD did so why is Punisher, Batman or any human for that matter being mentioned.
People Besides Doomsday Who Could Kill Superman W/O Kryptonite?
The Flash, Zoom, Majestic, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Black Atom, Silver Surfer, The Phoenix, and so forth.
Not that they would beat him, but that the possibility is there.
If you're asking who would beat him rather then who could, then the list gets a lot shorter.
Beings who can physically punch Superman to death? Like straight up slug fest?
1) Silver Surfer. Just ask Beta Ray Bill.
2) Mangog.
3) Kurse (were he alive)
4) Darkseid (PC Darkseid)
5) Thanos (just ask the Silver Surfer)
The minimum physical strength required to hurt Superman is mountain-mover level. Anyone on that level or above can kill Superman in an hour assuming he didn't fight back.
Silver Surfer can beat Superman without energy blast, of course, he might not be as strong as Superman, but he can amp up his strength and durability, otherwise he won't shed Beta Ray Bill's blood by just punches.
Any Flash and Zoom can also out-blitz Superman and beat him to death if they wanted to.
Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter; though they're physically weaker than Superman, that doesn't mean they can't beat him either.
@Jayfournines said:
@AweSam: I thought that was an old pre crisis thingie, didn't know they still could.
@Immortal777 said:
@Jayfournines: It is only PC unless someone has a scan to say otherwise.
Of course, this goes against the thread topic, but I figure I'd show.
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Strength/Relative%20Strength/Martian%20Manhunter/MOT%2013/week16-1999-supesmot-13-19.jpg
Dunno if there are any other examples Post-CRISIS. Also, to my knowledge, technically, most if not all of the Green Lantern appearances Pre-CRISIS are canon(albeit modified when necessary). But this is off-topic, so I've said enough here.
@blackadamFTW said:
Supes has never beaten Mr. Majestic, crossovers aren't canon regarding Thor, I'm pretty sure he hasn't beaten Lobo, and if he has, Lobo has beaten him as many. What do you mean he's taken out Ms. Marvel, Iron Man, Wonderman, and Jack of hearts? If that was the crossover, once again that isn't canon. I'm pretty sure he's only beaten CM once, and I'm pretty sure CM has beaten him once, as well. The two MM's aren't weaker, Supreme isn't weaker, Sodom Yat isn't weaker, Lobo isn't weaker, and I wouldn't say Thor is weaker.
Superman sorta beat Majestic. DC/WILDSTORM: DREAM WAR. Although it technically wasn't Superman, but a creation from a reality manipulator(or whatever exactly he was). Odds are it was comparable to Superman. And it was canon for WildStorm, so take it what you will. And if crossovers not counting is a rule, then so be it, but JLA/AVENGERS was canon, and showed Superman blatantly superior to Thor physically. Deal with it.
You're pretty sure Superman hasn't beaten Lobo? You're pretty wrong. In fact, to my knowledge, Lobo has NEVER beaten Superman. Their first published fight, people actually miss that Superman outsmarted Lobo, so it's actually a loss for Lobo. As for their other fights.....
This is actually their first canon fight. Their first published fight(the one people think is a win for Lobo although it's not) might have been retconned entirely.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Villains/Lobo/DC%201st/
Here Superman fights Lar Gand, then Lobo breaks it up just for him to take over, then Lar jumps in, then Superman simultaneously one-shots them both.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Villains/Lobo/AOS%20ANNUAL%202%20With%20Lar%20Gand/
Here Lobo gets grabbed and beat-on at super speed.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Villains/Lobo/AOS%20ANNUAL%204/Fight%201-Lobo%20Makes%20Great%20Super-Speed%20Punching%20Bag/
Here Lobo has help and can only stalemate Superman before the volcano explodes.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Villains/Lobo/AOS%20ANNUAL%204/Fight%20Two%20Round-One%20With%20Help/
Here Lobo picks-up where they left off.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Villains/Lobo/AOS%20ANNUAL%204/Fight%20Two%20Round-Two/
And yes, I know those 3 links are all when Superman was Eclipsoed, and people argue Superman was powered-up. But I read most of the issues in there, and saw nothing indicating Superman was powered-up. I only saw normal humans being given powers, not those with powers of their own.
And here, Superman BFRs Lobo.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Villains/Lobo/MOS%2030/
Superman's beaten Captain Marvel more than once.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Heroes/Captain%20Marvel/AC%20ANNUAL%204/
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Heroes/Captain%20Marvel/JSA%2034-34/
Technically, this is a stalemate. But Superman looks superior to Captain Marvel, and is weakened.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Heroes/Captain%20Marvel/S-B%204/
Superman also beats Captain Marvel off-panel after that. Superman wins here, too. While weakened, actually.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Superman%20VS--/Heroes/Captain%20Marvel/SUPERMAN%20V2-216/
The record, to my knowledge, between Superman and Captain Marvel is 4 wins Superman, 2 wins Captain Marvel(both sucker-punching, arguably both were Zeus-Amped), and 3 stalemates(one of them Superman was weakened).
Martian Manhunter is weaker than Superman, especially physically. I'd say Majestic is, too. Thor definitely is. And Lobo is. Sodam Yat? Why isn't he weaker? Sure, if he's amping himself with his Power Ring or Ion power he can be above Superman, but his own regular strength? Daxamites are inferior to Kryptonians despite the lip service they got early Post-CRISIS of being superior to Kryptonians(even by Superman himself), since to my knowledge they never actually SHOWED it(with one exception, but he was looking superior to Superman plus some Legion Of Super-Heroes members INCLUDING ANOTHER DAXAMITE at once, so he was way above normal for a Daxamite), and by the time Sodam appeared, they weren't even getting lip service. Power Girl referred to them as "Junior Supermans"(or something like that) and Superboy Prime called Sodam, "Superman-Lite with a Power Ring."
@Delta1938: Superman Blue beat Majestic. Superman Blue is a good amount more powerful than regular Supes (he's about Surfer level). Of course, Wildstorm was canon. I didn't say it wasn't.
I don't know who told you that was canon, but it's definitely not.
I know that statement was wrong, but Lobo is not weaker. He's a planet buster, and he's beaten planet busters. Every fight he's had with Supes has been total PIS. He's beaten the crap out of multiple Superman level beings at once multiple times, IIRC.
Captain Marvel has still beaten Supes more times than Supes has beaten him.
Martian Manhunter isn't weaker than Superman. He's about equal in strength. Even if he is weaker, he's be able to beat him rather easily with his telepathy, intangibility, strength, and healing factor. Majestic's feats>>>>Superman's feats. Majestros has moved every planet in the solar system rather easily. Superman moved something larger than the Earth using EVERY bit of strength he had. Supes has no feats to put him above him. Sodam Yat might be weaker, but he could possibly beat him with is ring. He could definitely beat him when he was Ion. Power Girl's said things that were wrong before, and SBP's an idiot.
SHAZAM
Thank you shawnbaby! Doomsday didn't kill superman, he fell into a coma! And a lot of the people on this list couldn't kill superman in a fight. Batman? Wonder woman? Give me a break. With out the help of green or gold kryptonite most people listed would lose, and the whole ideas is to do it WITHOUT kryptonite so I can safely cut this list in half if not more than that.
- Thor
- Sentry ( Void )
- Silver Surfer
- Beta Ray Bill
- Captain Marvel
- Quasar
- Adam Warlock
- Martian Manhunter
- Barry Allen
- Wally West
- Jay Garrick
- Lobo
- Sodam Yat
- Captain Atom
- Orion
- Black Adam
- Green Lantern Kyle Rayner
- Green Lantern Hal Jordan
- Mr.Majestic
- Firelord
- Green Lantern John Stewart
- Sinestro
- Green Lantern Alan Scott
- KC Superman
- Stardust
- Anyone From Phoenix 5
- Loki
- Mon-el
- Parasite
- Cyborg Superman
- Supreme
- Icon
- Gladiator
- Thragg
- Cyborg Superman
All these people have a chance or could beat Superman!! Superman is not unbeatable.
@blackadamFTW said:
@Delta1938: Superman Blue beat Majestic. Superman Blue is a good amount more powerful than regular Supes (he's about Surfer level). Of course, Wildstorm was canon. I didn't say it wasn't.
I don't know who told you that was canon, but it's definitely not.
I know that statement was wrong, but Lobo is not weaker. He's a planet buster, and he's beaten planet busters. Every fight he's had with Supes has been total PIS. He's beaten the crap out of multiple Superman level beings at once multiple times, IIRC.
Captain Marvel has still beaten Supes more times than Supes has beaten him.
Martian Manhunter isn't weaker than Superman. He's about equal in strength. Even if he is weaker, he's be able to beat him rather easily with his telepathy, intangibility, strength, and healing factor. Majestic's feats>>>>Superman's feats. Majestros has moved every planet in the solar system rather easily. Superman moved something larger than the Earth using EVERY bit of strength he had. Supes has no feats to put him above him. Sodam Yat might be weaker, but he could possibly beat him with is ring. He could definitely beat him when he was Ion. Power Girl's said things that were wrong before, and SBP's an idiot.
SHAZAM
Superman Blue is not more powerful than Superman with his regular powers, especially after NO LIMITS! and ONE YEAR LATER. And Surfer is overrated. And the point is, although it technically wasn't Superman, it was a creation made to mimic Superman, it took Majestic's punch, shrugged it off, and then one-shot Maj. Green Lantern restraining Majestic doesn't change the fact that Majestic was one-shot.
Who told me what was canon?
And yes, Lobo is weaker than Superman. The best Lobo can do against a holding back Superman is stalemate, and Superman's looked more impressive against some common opponents I've seen. Superman>>Lobo in strength. You using "PIS"(probably incorrectly) to dismiss their fights is irrelevant.
um No, Captain Marvel has not beaten Superman more times than the other way around. I've seen most, if not all of their Post-CRISIS/Pre-FLASHPOINT fights, and the record is 4 wins for Superman to two wins for Captain Marvel. And that's not even taking context into consideration making it look worse for Cap.
Martian Manhunter is most certainly weaker than Superman. They are NOT equal, even "about" in strength. Did you not see the scans I posted of Superman showing to be stronger than Martian Manhunter AND OTHERS COMBINED?
And no, Majestic's feats are not superior to Superman's feats. Superman's got far more impressive than planet-moving feats.
And I wouldn't say Sodam Yat would beat Superman with the Ion power. Pre-NO LIMITS! Superman put-up a respectable fight against Post-ZERO HOUR Hal Parallax who was arguably amped by Kyle's Power Ring. Hal is far more competent with that type of power than Sodam.
And you completely miss the point. I said that despite the lip service Daxamites got, I never saw anything to back the claim they were superior to Kryptonians, with one exception. And that exception showed to be superior to Superman and a few LSH members(including a Daxamite) COMBINED, so that was a well above normal Daxamite. And the point about Power Girl and Superboy Prime's comments was that Daxamites don't even get that lip service now. Basically, Daxamites were said to be more powerful, but I never saw it, now we don't even get those unsubstantiated statements and the statements are Kryptonians are more powerful. Power Girl having said things that were wrong before and your opinion of Superboy Prime's competence are irrelevant are were pointless for you to post.
@Killemall said:
@menaceforever said:
MongulI doubt that, specially given the fact that Superman has almost always gotten the better of Mongul.
Unless Superman is restrained or doesn't fight back for whatever reason, correct. I think Mongul II is more powerful than his "father"(not sure, but I think Mongul II and Mongal are more foster/adopted children than his biological offspring), but even Superman's beaten Mongul II while effected by Kryptonite. Mongul I beat Superman the first fight in SUPERMAN(Volume Two) #32, but lost the rematch, even though Superman had been weakened by weeks of solar deprivation.
@KMART4455 said:
GR perhaps maybe.... Just throwin it out there.. I mean Sups feels remorse when he does things......... maybe... lol
I'm reasonably sure the OP either had or intended it to be via physical force, and you think someone like Superman would be stopped by Ghost Rider's Penance Stare? The same guy who's taken Asmodel's "Heavenly Light"(or whatever it was called) attack that Asmodel stated only the purest of souls could survive? And there's other similar examples.
@KMART4455 said:
@Delta1938: I was just throwing a suggestion out I wasn't sure if It could or not. No arguments here.. Just know it only takes a small amount of remorse. And my bad about the physical aspect should have read post better.
I know ABOUT Ghost Rider, but mostly second hand. How exactly does the Penance Stare work? Based entirely on remorse, or actually being(not feeling) guilty?
Also, just checked. The original post doesn't specifically state only physical force, but it does imply it(by saying "without Kryptonite" and bringing-up Doomsday), then after a poster brings-up energy manipulators, the OP later states physical force. But really, just the title alone implies purely physical force.
@Strider92 said:
A frog with plot devices.....
Frog becomes the Herald of Squirrel Girl?
@Delta1938 said:
@Strider92 said:
A frog with plot devices.....
Frog becomes the Herald of Squirrel Girl?
Those are my thoughts yes!
@Strider92 said:
@Delta1938 said:
@Strider92 said:
A frog with plot devices.....
Frog becomes the Herald of Squirrel Girl?
Those are my thoughts yes!
So why did you edit your post to say "Aunt May" in the first place? I assume you edited it to change it back to "A frog with plot devices...." after I brought-up the Plot-Device being it becomes a Herald of Squirrel Girl.
@Delta1938 said:
@Strider92 said:
@Delta1938 said:
@Strider92 said:
A frog with plot devices.....
Frog becomes the Herald of Squirrel Girl?
Those are my thoughts yes!
So why did you edit your post to say "Aunt May" in the first place? I assume you edited it to change it back to "A frog with plot devices...." after I brought-up the Plot-Device being it becomes a Herald of Squirrel Girl.
I wanted to put both but eventually I decided that a frog with plot devices had a better shot. First instincts are normally right. Never underestimate a frog!
@Strider92 said:
@Delta1938 said:
@Strider92 said:
@Delta1938 said:
@Strider92 said:
A frog with plot devices.....
Frog becomes the Herald of Squirrel Girl?
Those are my thoughts yes!
So why did you edit your post to say "Aunt May" in the first place? I assume you edited it to change it back to "A frog with plot devices...." after I brought-up the Plot-Device being it becomes a Herald of Squirrel Girl.
I wanted to put both but eventually I decided that a frog with plot devices had a better shot. First instincts are normally right. Never underestimate a frog!
So I should run if I encounter one, because I don't speak or understand frog, and it might be hostile to me?
@Delta1938 said:
Toads aren't frogs. And which is worse? Frogs, or--
--?
Hence the reason I said "if it turns out to be".
The Killer Bunny is worse unless you have the holy hand grenade but remember! You must count to three not four or two unless thou then proceeds to three. Five is right out!
@Strider92 said:
@Delta1938 said:
Toads aren't frogs. And which is worse? Frogs, or--
--?
Hence the reason I said "if it turns out to be".
The Killer Bunny is worse unless you have the holy hand grenade but remember! You must count to three not four or two unless thou then proceeds to three. Five is right out!
Ya know, I've never actually seen the movie, but heard for years that I must. Off to Netflix streaming to see if they have it.
@Delta1938 said:
Ya know, I've never actually seen the movie, but heard for years that I must. Off to Netflix streaming to see if they have it.
WHAT!? go watch it!
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