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#1 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (3548 posts) - - Show Bio

We all know it's been said that only kryptonite can work Superman down enough to kill him, but Doomsday has shown us otherwise. Who else could accomplish the feat of killing the Man of Steel without kryptonite?

#2 Posted by eisjfiejss (513 posts) - - Show Bio

Too many people.

#3 Edited by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

off the top of my head? The Phoenix, any time traveler done correctly, Uber level telepaths (if they get a crack at him), High level magic users, maybe....MAYBE...Doom.

And if you mean people who can physically beat the sh*t out of Superman..then Sodam Yat.

#4 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

People, or just anything in general? There's actually too many to name. Any highly skilled magic user, Darkseid, Spectre, any Green Lantern, Sinestro, Cyborg Superman, Anti-Monitor, Martian Manhunter, Mr. Mxy... etc.

#5 Posted by VercingetorixTheGreat (2823 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain Marvel

#6 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@AweSam: really? ANY Green Lantern?

#7 Posted by pooty (11157 posts) - - Show Bio

Photon, Silver Surfer, Captain Atom or anyone who produce red sunlight or drain his power cells

#8 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

Ryu Hayabusa :)

#9 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (3548 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm talking physically make him die, punching him to death.

#10 Posted by VercingetorixTheGreat (2823 posts) - - Show Bio

Lobo

#11 Edited by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@ImTheDamnBatman: then Sodam Yat can due to him being a Daxamite and a Green Lantern and...well...Ion. Mr. Majestic might be able to...and even though it pains me to say it...Supreme.

#12 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines said:

@AweSam: really? ANY Green Lantern?

Sure, if they used their rings to make kryp... Damn it.

#13 Edited by greenteaforme (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman is supposed to be as vulnerable to magic as any person on the street, having no association with magic or magical roots. Meaning anyone with access to any sufficient magical equipment or a powerful magic user could kill him as simply as someone without any powers at all.

Of course, Superman has often been struck by magic (like Captain Marvel's lightning) and come out only slightly singed. Just because he's Superman. His vulnerability to magic seems to be only "on paper" and rarely in practice.

#14 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

darkseid

#15 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@AweSam: I thought that was an old pre crisis thingie, didn't know they still could.

#16 Posted by Immortal777 (7588 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines: It is only PC unless someone has a scan to say otherwise.

#17 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

@greenteaforme: @Jayfournines said:

@AweSam: I thought that was an old pre crisis thingie, didn't know they still could.

Whether they could or not, I just remembered this is a no kryptonite thread lol. Static's going to yell at me again

#18 Edited by BigCimmerian (8311 posts) - - Show Bio

List is pretty long, but since I doubt you want us to post cosmic level characters I will only skyfather level and below, Marvel characters Thanos, Odin, Zeus, almost any skyfather, Onslaught, Silver Surfer post annihilation, Ymir, Surtur, Trion Juggernaut, DC characters Lobo, Darkseid, Despero, Starro, Sodam Yat, Ares, Black Adam

#19 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (3548 posts) - - Show Bio

DAMN IT I SAID NO KRYPTONITE! ARE YOU ALL IDIOTS CAN YOU READ?!?!?! lol jk.

#20 Posted by joshuagamer (634 posts) - - Show Bio

Let's get something straight: Captain Marvel is weaker, Supreme is weaker, Sodom yat, though close, is weaker, Mr. Majestic is weaker, Martian Manhunter is weaker, Pulsar is weaker, storm is weaker, captain atom is weaker, silver surfer is weaker, lobo is weaker, all green lanterns are weaker, wonderwoman is weaker, ms. marvel is weaker, gladiator is weaker, Icon is weaker, thor is weaker,etc. Supes has defeated Thor, captain Marvel, Mr. majestic, Wonderwoman, and lobo. Gladiator has been defeated by Thor, so he's out. Supes was barely taken out by a combined effort of ms. marvel, iron man, wonderman, and jack of hearts-after he put thor to sleep. Acceptable answers: Mr. Mxyzptlk, Spectre, living tribunal, bat-mite, kal kent (only if he fights our superman, not his time's superman), amazo, etc.

#21 Posted by ImTheDamnBatman (3548 posts) - - Show Bio

Some of those don't count, i said BEAT him to death.

#22 Posted by BigCimmerian (8311 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshuagamer said:

Let's get something straight: Captain Marvel is weaker, Supreme is weaker, Sodom yat, though close, is weaker, Mr. Majestic is weaker, Martian Manhunter is weaker, Pulsar is weaker, storm is weaker, captain atom is weaker, silver surfer is weaker, lobo is weaker, all green lanterns are weaker, wonderwoman is weaker, ms. marvel is weaker, gladiator is weaker, Icon is weaker, thor is weaker,etc. Supes has defeated Thor, captain Marvel, Mr. majestic, Wonderwoman, and lobo. Gladiator has been defeated by Thor, so he's out. Supes was barely taken out by a combined effort of ms. marvel, iron man, wonderman, and jack of hearts-after he put thor to sleep. Acceptable answers: Mr. Mxyzptlk, Spectre, living tribunal, bat-mite, kal kent (only if he fights our superman, not his time's superman), amazo, etc.

looool Lobo and Thor >=Superman

#23 Edited by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshuagamer: Can you prove Supreme and Majestros are weaker? also, I mentioned Supreme due to his plot device power of developing any power in order to find an enemy's weakness.

#24 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshuagamer said:

Let's get something straight: Captain Marvel is weaker, Supreme is weaker, Sodom yat, though close, is weaker, Mr. Majestic is weaker, Martian Manhunter is weaker, Pulsar is weaker, storm is weaker, captain atom is weaker, silver surfer is weaker, lobo is weaker, all green lanterns are weaker, wonderwoman is weaker, ms. marvel is weaker, gladiator is weaker, Icon is weaker, thor is weaker,etc. Supes has defeated Thor, captain Marvel, Mr. majestic, Wonderwoman, and lobo. Gladiator has been defeated by Thor, so he's out. Supes was barely taken out by a combined effort of ms. marvel, iron man, wonderman, and jack of hearts-after he put thor to sleep. Acceptable answers: Mr. Mxyzptlk, Spectre, living tribunal, bat-mite, kal kent (only if he fights our superman, not his time's superman), amazo, etc.

Supes has never beaten Mr. Majestic, crossovers aren't canon regarding Thor, I'm pretty sure he hasn't beaten Lobo, and if he has, Lobo has beaten him as many. What do you mean he's taken out Ms. Marvel, Iron Man, Wonderman, and Jack of hearts? If that was the crossover, once again that isn't canon. I'm pretty sure he's only beaten CM once, and I'm pretty sure CM has beaten him once, as well. The two MM's aren't weaker, Supreme isn't weaker, Sodom Yat isn't weaker, Lobo isn't weaker, and I wouldn't say Thor is weaker.

#25 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@eisjfiejss said:

Too many people.

#26 Posted by The Stegman (24410 posts) - - Show Bio

Mike Tyson.

#27 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain Marvel, Darkseid, Mongul, Mr. Majestic, Mr. Mxy, Zod, Silver Surfer, Dr. Manhattan, KEll-El, VAL-El, Specter, Black Adam, Bizarro, Superboy-Prime, Brainiac, ect..Lots of other people.

#28 Posted by nickthedevil (12498 posts) - - Show Bio

The entire flash family. And the Reverse Flash family.

#29 Posted by NEEK_03 (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshuagamer said:

Let's get something straight: Captain Marvel is weaker, Supreme is weaker, Sodom yat, though close, is weaker, Mr. Majestic is weaker, Martian Manhunter is weaker, Pulsar is weaker, storm is weaker, captain atom is weaker, silver surfer is weaker, lobo is weaker, all green lanterns are weaker, wonderwoman is weaker, ms. marvel is weaker, gladiator is weaker, Icon is weaker, thor is weaker,etc. Supes has defeated Thor, captain Marvel, Mr. majestic, Wonderwoman, and lobo. Gladiator has been defeated by Thor, so he's out. Supes was barely taken out by a combined effort of ms. marvel, iron man, wonderman, and jack of hearts-after he put thor to sleep. Acceptable answers: Mr. Mxyzptlk, Spectre, living tribunal, bat-mite, kal kent (only if he fights our superman, not his time's superman), amazo, etc.

thank you. GL's cant beat superman they havnt been able to construct kryptonite for awhile. plus the op says no krypto. plus not any magic user can beat him. he can speed blitz most magic users actually.

#30 Posted by The_MVPs (84694 posts) - - Show Bio
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#31 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines said:

@ImTheDamnBatman: then Sodam Yat can due to him being a Daxamite and a Green Lantern and...well...Ion. Mr. Majestic might be able to...and even though it pains me to say it...Supreme.

Sodam Yat without Ion isn't on Superman's level. He lacks the solar energy to put his Daxamite powers on Superman's level.

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#32 Posted by nickzambuto (13682 posts) - - Show Bio

I can.

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#33 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget: Sodam Yat without Ion is a daxamite with a Green Lantern ring, I believe he can put a hurtin' on Superman

#34 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

Any Herald of Galactus

Classic Doctor Strange, or any other high level magic being

Miss Marvel could do it, she can replicate the energy given off by a red sun (No this isn't krytponite, the energy is not from Krypton, unless we count the noble gas)

Pretty much any Skyfather+ (Odin, Galactus, Celestials)

Thanos

Darkseid

Any high level reality warper could do it

Any high level time traveler

Thor, BRB

Wonderwoman could probably take him (Not 10/10, but easily 4 or 5 our of 10)

Green Phoenix+

Molecular Man

Nate Grey at full power

Vulcan might if he had knowledge and prep

High level power mimics

Martian Manhunter

Lobo

Despero

Emperor Joker

Any of the Annihilators could do it

Juggernaut (Classic, or 8th Day+ Incarnations)

Iron Destroyer

Atum

Sentry at his best

Void

Desak

Spawn

Mr. Majestic

Mister Mxyzptlk

Ultron's stronger versions

Cyborg Superman

Strongest Solomon Grundy (The one that took on JLA)

Mar-Vell

Black Adam

Captain Marvel

This list goes on and on and on. Remember, the question isn't who would beat Superman to death, it's who COULD beat Superman to death. And in a fight to the death, I think all of these characters could accomplish this feat at least 2-3 out of 10 battles.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#35 Posted by sawmbi (12 posts) - - Show Bio

the black lantern guy

#36 Posted by nickthedevil (12498 posts) - - Show Bio

Mirror Master. Captain Cold(?) The Top(?)

#37 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines: Never said he couldn't hurt Superman, merely stated he can't physically dominate him as Doomsday did.

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#38 Posted by vuviper (5531 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay: I don't think their are definitely some heralds who would lose to Superman

#39 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9190 posts) - - Show Bio

Compsosite Superman. 
 

#40 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@vuviper: I wasn't stating people who would win 10/10 or even 5/10 battles. I was just stating people who COULD kill him under reasonable circumstances (I mean Punisher could kill Superman if Superman was suffering from massive kryptonite poisoning, which is something I did just make up, and weakened to a point via magic where he permanently lost his super powers, however that's just stupid rationing), and I think with Cosmic Awareness, any of the Heralds should be capable of killing him at least 2-3 out of 10 battles. Except maybe Deadpool as a herald from that spoof comic, but that doesn't count!

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#41 Posted by vuviper (5531 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay said:

@vuviper: I wasn't stating people who would win 10/10 or even 5/10 battles. I was just stating people who COULD kill him under reasonable circumstances (I mean Punisher could kill Superman if Superman was suffering from massive kryptonite poisoning, which is something I did just make up, and weakened to a point via magic where he permanently lost his super powers, however that's just stupid rationing), and I think with Cosmic Awareness, any of the Heralds should be capable of killing him at least 2-3 out of 10 battles. Except maybe Deadpool as a herald from that spoof comic, but that doesn't count!

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

OK then, I wasn't sure but I commented assuming you meant that each Herald could take the majority against Supes

#42 Posted by bee14ish (248 posts) - - Show Bio

Mister Mxyzptlk

#43 Edited by Saren (25679 posts) - - Show Bio
This dude.
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#44 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20251 posts) - - Show Bio

There are plenty of people who COULD beat Superman.

  • Billy Batson
  • Sentry
  • Lobo
  • Batman (w/ prep)
  • Darkseid
  • Orion
  • Worldbreaker Hulk
  • Black Adam
  • Thor
  • Morg
  • Thanos
  • Silver Surfer
  • Gladiator
  • Runner
  • Void
  • Quasar
  • Hyperion
  • Dr.Doom (w/ prep)
  • Adam Warlock
#45 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

all dc high and top tiers

#46 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure I'd say Captain Marvel, although he can take Superman, Superman has also taken him out. And I'm not convinced Jean Grey either.

Maybe Captain Atom

MMH for sure

Maybe, Maybe GL Batman. Although I doubt either could kill the man of steel.

Mxy, Spectre, LT, Bat-Mite, Kal-Kent, Zatanna if not speed blitzed, Amazo, Doomsday obviously

Note: if you're using the most powerful version in Superman Prime One Million, uhh nobody other then Presence and TOAA, maybe Spectre. I just remember reading DC said he was top 3, 4 most powerful DCU characters lol. But I trust, we're using the regular Superman here lol.

#47 Posted by nickthedevil (12498 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash.

#48 Posted by SoA (4838 posts) - - Show Bio

captain universe, majestic , silver surfer , plutonian , proteus make my top 5

#49 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@eisjfiejss said:

Too many people.

#50 Posted by TERMINATOR1000 (1203 posts) - - Show Bio

Majestic probably could kill Superman if he wanted.... Supermans a human compared to him.