Pennywise vs Violator

VS

No Morals

No kids around.

Both clowns can transform freely.

Pennywise

Violator fought Spawn, various armies of Heaven and against more powerful supernatural creatures. Pennywise got killed by a bunch of semi-psyhic kids. No contest the guy who made made Spawn bleed wins.

Interesting fight. Penny Wise has better feats in Psy power. However, I can see Violator arriving to Its true from in the deadlights due to his interdimensional teleportation and stomping the Werespider easy.

Violator

Vman will take pennywise v card

There is absolutely nothing the Violator could do to Pennywise. Pennywise was defeated by the Losers only through the grace of divine intervention for Maturin and Gan, the later of which is essentially God. I don't see Violator getting that kind of support. On the other hand Violator can be destroyed.

Pennywise. Spite.

Pennywise stomps.

@newworldorder: @seastone98: @johnmountain: Come on Pennywise is universal level meaning Violator can't take down Pennywise at all even though he's from Hell Pennywise has existed during the dawn of time during the Dark Tower that is more universal than Hell. Pennywise can solo Violator at any cost.

Then why bump?

@ultimate-man: Pennywise is not even Universal lol. He is barely town level in what he can effect. He is a Todash monster in Todash space, aka the Deadlights, aka the Prime, according to Dark Tower lore that supersedes all other King books before that.

@sirfizzwhizz: doesnt he live outside the universe? Affecting something from that distance could be considered universal

not at all. There is tons of creatures that affect real space from To Dash space and are not universal. Randall Flagg of the same SK Multiverse has psychically traveled to another universe to possess a man. He is not universal, neither is Penny Wise.

@sirfizzwhizz: Randall was also in the children of the corn movie aka he who walks behind the rows. He had impressive feats IIRC

About ur post thx for the info so Pennywise is mostly city lvl

Was he in that!?

@sirfizzwhizz: He is supposedly the false god of the children mostly through SKs words

nice

I didn't know he was "He Who Walks Behind the Rows," that dudes everywhere. He's in Eye of the Dragon too, working up his sorcery, and the Stand as the messiah of the wicked folks. Not enough battles with Flagg on here.

Violator

@sirfizzwhizz: What yes he is Universal level. Thanks to the Novel version Pennywise is universal level who existed during the dawn of time and it's more level than Hell where the Violator came from

@batmanprep: Pennywise wins because he is universal level

@creeper113: Demons are rarely used tho

Violator wins this.

@helloman: Actually no because Pennywise is more powerful than Violator because he is more leveler than Violator

@ultimate-man:if he is universal i feel dat him loosing 2 a few kids is major WIS on kings part

@seastone98: Don't be so silly that was the movie the novel version is different and if they didn't have the power of the turtle they wouldn't defeat Pennywise. Pennywise wins this

@ultimate-man: Being "more leveler" than something...isn't a thing. Words don't work that way.

Pennywise never did anything close to planet level, much less universal. Existing before the universe makes him old, not more powerful than a universe. It was also no match at all to Maturin, much less Gan. It never fought Maturin, and it was defeated by Maturin indirectly by a fraction of its power channeled through human children.

It's one claim that it was stronger than Matutin was simply spite, as it was shown to be IC, and coming from a creature that wasn't even aware of its weakness (it takes on the vulnerabilities of its form) until near the end of the book. When a creature that doesn't even know it's own limits claims it can beat something...that claim is empty. By feats Maturin can beat It without even fighting it directly.

Btw...that weakness, that all things are bound to the form they take...Maturin is clearly beyond that. Unless you know of a turtle that can breath in space and vomit galaxies.

Pennywise loses in a mismatch here. His actual combat feats leave much to be desired.

@ultimate-man: ah well i was unaware of dat since i only seen da tv movie

Does Violator have battery acid?

@thelocust619: Pennywise wins deal with it and this is not a mismatch. Pennywise being Universal level can beat Violator read the novel and Pennywise has greater powers and doesn't need much feats when he has greater powers

Violator wins due to having real feats.

@khael: No Pennywise has greater advantages and powers than Violator read the novel

@ultimate-man: Not feats

@thelocust619:

What if Pennywise decided to take on the form of Ninja turtle or something instead of a spider? He already hangs out in the sewers all day. Would that make a difference in anything?

@jagernutt: since Stephen King stated Pennywise is a werewspider like Crimson King and Dandelo, I dont see the issue.

@sirfizzwhizz:

So it may not be a stomp in Violators favor.

@jagernutt: I don't think it's a stomp. Pennywise is a town level psychic force. Violator is just the better psycher by feats IMO. As well able to travel to Pennywise true were monster form in the deadlights and kill him there.

This seems tilted in Violators favor.

@khael: Pennywise doesn't need that much feats because it has greater powers

@jagernutt: Pennywise has the better advantages over Violator

@khael: yeah

@jagernutt: It never took on a spider form in the first place. Pennywise was an apparation, beating it doesn't do anything as far as defeating It other than piss it off. This is the form that the shapeshifting weaknesses apply to, because it's the one that does all the work.

The Spider isn't a spider either. This is It's solid physical form under Derry, the kids saw a spider because that was what their minds converted it to. The Spider is really just some kind of inconcievable Eldrict abomination. This part of It doesn't change its form tmk, though it's actual form (before they saw it as a spider) was in constant motion...but their brains were still trying and failing to process what they were even seeing.

I swear to God, people saying Pennywise is a universal are out of their mind. Violator wins this. What is Pennywise going to be able to do to Violator?

Violator gets violated.

if we use novels Pennywise if not probably still pennywise.

Well, since this thread was bumped might as well repeat the opinion I have about Pennywise. He is absurdly overrated, novel feats or not.

His only feats are killing and mind-******* humans in a single town.

Saying that he is universal because he exists in another dimension is as laughable as saying that Nightcrawler is universal because he can also access other dimensions.

Unless someone gives a direct statement from a narrator or a character with actual knowledge inside the Stephen King Multiverse, Pennywise is not above "killing a town's population" level.