PC Darkseid vs Trion Juggernaut

Pure and simple - Random encounter with Morals on, and PC Darkseid thinks he has found a challenge.

" @TheFallenOne: good post exluding the fact that PC darkseid could just absorb trion juggernaught, when he sucked logan and charles into his conciousness thats not so much a telepathic feat and your forgetting alot of PC darkseids abilities such as matter manipulation if that even works on trion juggernaught which it probalby doesnt, genetic manipulation im not sure what happens if trion juggernaught turns into a baby version or a cell,  and the part about having to outmuscle him your forgetting darkseid can just BFR him threw space and time with the omega effect not just to a different part of the universe. But ye you covered most of it and trion should win the majority here as we dont know what happens if trion juggernaught was de-evolved or absorbed into Darkseid "

"@TheFallenOne: good post exluding the fact that PC darkseid could just absorb trion juggernaught, when he sucked logan and charles into his conciousness thats not so much a telepathic feat and your forgetting alot of PC darkseids abilities such as matter manipulation if that even works on trion juggernaught which it probalby doesnt, genetic manipulation im not sure what happens if trion juggernaught turns into a baby version or a cell,  and the part about having to outmuscle him your forgetting darkseid can just BFR him threw space and time with the omega effect not just to a different part of the universe. But ye you covered most of it and trion should win the majority here as we dont know what happens if trion juggernaught was de-evolved or absorbed into Darkseid "

Darkseid will BFR Trion Juggernaut.

"@TheFallenOne: PC darkseid doesnt have to touch or do anything to de-evolve someone bty and if juggernaught has shield it might not block something its just something that happes to juggernaughts body at a genetic level unless he is somehow immune to genetic manipulation if someoen has a time he showed immune to it than that wont work, pre crisis time trapper or modru are hardly low sky father level "

"Darkseid will BFR Trion Juggernaut. "

" @TheFallenOne: PC darkseid doesnt have to touch or do anything to de-evolve someone bty and if juggernaught has shield it might not block something its just something that happes to juggernaughts body at a genetic level unless he is somehow immune to genetic manipulation if someoen has a time he showed immune to it than that wont work, pre crisis time trapper or modru are hardly low sky father level "

" @Valtot said:

" @TheFallenOne: PC darkseid doesnt have to touch or do anything to de-evolve someone bty and if juggernaught has shield it might not block something its just something that happes to juggernaughts body at a genetic level unless he is somehow immune to genetic manipulation if someoen has a time he showed immune to it than that wont work, pre crisis time trapper or modru are hardly low sky father level "

I think Juggernaut's body becomes magical when he is the Juggernaut. Depowered Juggernaut (Excalibur) isn't a magical being anymore if you mean him then yes of course PC Darkseid stomps him. "

" @Valtot said:

"@TheFallenOne: PC darkseid doesnt have to touch or do anything to de-evolve someone bty and if juggernaught has shield it might not block something its just something that happes to juggernaughts body at a genetic level unless he is somehow immune to genetic manipulation if someoen has a time he showed immune to it than that wont work, pre crisis time trapper or modru are hardly low sky father level "

 
Well as a bench mark i used Odin who has far impressive feats than them. Anyway Time-Trapper destroyed half of a galaxy with anti-matter plot device, Mordru has a statement on him self that he is severla -galaxies buster. Anyway as i said Odin has far better feats. But enough with that. I understand what is de-evolution. But we must rethink, who was the most powerfull person which was effected by de-evolution ? Can he de-evolve at least sky-father biengs (Trion Juggy is above sky-father level) ? Anyway since you came with scientific aproach i must answer it in the same way ? As you know genetic manipulation can be 2 types: 
 
- artificial (must need a skin pircing and Juggy is imune to injuries so it falls off) 
- natural - in this type we include genetic mutations. No most mutations come with bad nutrition and radiation. Juggy doesn't need to eat (so mutations that would come with lack of food) can't effect him. Now for radiation well he doens't have showings with that (he has far better durbaility feats), but characters liek Thor and Hulk were unphased by insane levels of radiation and he is much better than them ay enduring things. 
 
And he was shown in Venom: Madness to be imune to the likes of parasitic mutation ( type of natural mutation which I lefed off above). 
 
No if Darkseid doesn't come up with 2 of above types. He must effect him with some wi-fi type of transmitting of de-evolution attack but: 
- nothing comes through forcefield 
- he has a constant power growth (so de-evolution won't change anything)  
 
And about absorption. How can Darkseod drain/absorb something with limitless strength, durability, stamina and constant power growth ?
 

@Nefarious said:

"Darkseid will BFR Trion Juggernaut. "

He can't. I covered that option.   "

" @Cypher's Gambit: that showed magneto effecting juggernaughts metal suit... magneto cant control genetics with his power "

"@Cypher's Gambit: that showed magneto effecting juggernaughts metal suit... magneto cant control genetics with his power "

" @Cypher's Gambit: that was with machines i think he cant effect peoples genetics with his own abilities and it even states in that scan he was trying to effect the metals in juggernaguhts suit at a molecular level so that scan didnt show anything anyway "

" @TheFallenOne: good post exluding the fact that PC darkseid could just absorb trion juggernaught, when he sucked logan and charles into his conciousness thats not so much a telepathic feat and your forgetting alot of PC darkseids abilities such as matter manipulation if that even works on trion juggernaught which it probalby doesnt, genetic manipulation im not sure what happens if trion juggernaught turns into a baby version or a cell,  and the part about having to outmuscle him your forgetting darkseid can just BFR him threw space and time with the omega effect not just to a different part of the universe. But ye you covered most of it and trion should win the majority here as we dont know what happens if trion juggernaught was de-evolved or absorbed into Darkseid "

This is no stomp..... 
 
PC Darkseid could easily smack around SA Superman and SA Supergirl at the same time.......

Ok.. this is a little bit off topic.. but wasn't Pre-Crisis Darkseid actually a bit weaker than he is now?  I seem to remember reading somewhere that due to some where that Darkseid didn't really get 'depowered' by the Crisis.  I seem to remember Pre-Crisis Darkseid hiding behind minions and his Omega Beams an awful lot and it wasn't until after Crisis that we saw him beating the tar out of Superman with his bare hands very often.

"Ok.. this is a little bit off topic.. but wasn't Pre-Crisis Darkseid actually a bit weaker than he is now?  I seem to remember reading somewhere that due to some where that Darkseid didn't really get 'depowered' by the Crisis.  I seem to remember Pre-Crisis Darkseid hiding behind minions and his Omega Beams an awful lot and it wasn't until after Crisis that we saw him beating the tar out of Superman with his bare hands very often. "

" @entropy_aegis: ah ha! THank you! I've been terribly confused about that for awhile now! "

" @scarbearer said:

"Ok.. this is a little bit off topic.. but wasn't Pre-Crisis Darkseid actually a bit weaker than he is now?  I seem to remember reading somewhere that due to some where that Darkseid didn't really get 'depowered' by the Crisis.  I seem to remember Pre-Crisis Darkseid hiding behind minions and his Omega Beams an awful lot and it wasn't until after Crisis that we saw him beating the tar out of Superman with his bare hands very often. "

No,the problem was that post crisis darkseid was mismanaged and they told us that everything was an avatar,it's a big mess. hopefully within the next 5 years morrison finally gives them consistency.  "

" @entropy_aegis said:

" @scarbearer said:

"Ok.. this is a little bit off topic.. but wasn't Pre-Crisis Darkseid actually a bit weaker than he is now?  I seem to remember reading somewhere that due to some where that Darkseid didn't really get 'depowered' by the Crisis.  I seem to remember Pre-Crisis Darkseid hiding behind minions and his Omega Beams an awful lot and it wasn't until after Crisis that we saw him beating the tar out of Superman with his bare hands very often. "

No,the problem was that post crisis darkseid was mismanaged and they told us that everything was an avatar,it's a big mess. hopefully within the next 5 years morrison finally gives them consistency.  "

They said that was an avatar because they couldn't find a better excuse for Darkseid being a puny jobber. "

" @Inevitable said:

" @entropy_aegis said:

" @scarbearer said:

"Ok.. this is a little bit off topic.. but wasn't Pre-Crisis Darkseid actually a bit weaker than he is now?  I seem to remember reading somewhere that due to some where that Darkseid didn't really get 'depowered' by the Crisis.  I seem to remember Pre-Crisis Darkseid hiding behind minions and his Omega Beams an awful lot and it wasn't until after Crisis that we saw him beating the tar out of Superman with his bare hands very often. "

No,the problem was that post crisis darkseid was mismanaged and they told us that everything was an avatar,it's a big mess. hopefully within the next 5 years morrison finally gives them consistency.  "

They said that was an avatar because they couldn't find a better excuse for Darkseid being a puny jobber. "

Say's CV's resident troll,who thinks hulk>all of DC. "

" @entropy_aegis said:

" @scarbearer said:

"Ok.. this is a little bit off topic.. but wasn't Pre-Crisis Darkseid actually a bit weaker than he is now?  I seem to remember reading somewhere that due to some where that Darkseid didn't really get 'depowered' by the Crisis.  I seem to remember Pre-Crisis Darkseid hiding behind minions and his Omega Beams an awful lot and it wasn't until after Crisis that we saw him beating the tar out of Superman with his bare hands very often. "

No,the problem was that post crisis darkseid was mismanaged and they told us that everything was an avatar,it's a big mess. hopefully within the next 5 years morrison finally gives them consistency.  "

They said that was an avatar because they couldn't find a better excuse for Darkseid being a puny jobber. "

pc darkseid teleport him away with oe

" @entropy_aegis said:

" @scarbearer said:

"Ok.. this is a little bit off topic.. but wasn't Pre-Crisis Darkseid actually a bit weaker than he is now?  I seem to remember reading somewhere that due to some where that Darkseid didn't really get 'depowered' by the Crisis.  I seem to remember Pre-Crisis Darkseid hiding behind minions and his Omega Beams an awful lot and it wasn't until after Crisis that we saw him beating the tar out of Superman with his bare hands very often. "

No,the problem was that post crisis darkseid was mismanaged and they told us that everything was an avatar,it's a big mess. hopefully within the next 5 years morrison finally gives them consistency.  "

They said that was an avatar because they couldn't find a better excuse for Darkseid being a puny jobber. "

" @Inevitable said:

" @entropy_aegis said:

" @scarbearer said:

"Ok.. this is a little bit off topic.. but wasn't Pre-Crisis Darkseid actually a bit weaker than he is now?  I seem to remember reading somewhere that due to some where that Darkseid didn't really get 'depowered' by the Crisis.  I seem to remember Pre-Crisis Darkseid hiding behind minions and his Omega Beams an awful lot and it wasn't until after Crisis that we saw him beating the tar out of Superman with his bare hands very often. "

No,the problem was that post crisis darkseid was mismanaged and they told us that everything was an avatar,it's a big mess. hopefully within the next 5 years morrison finally gives them consistency.  "

They said that was an avatar because they couldn't find a better excuse for Darkseid being a puny jobber. "

Say's CV's resident troll,who thinks hulk>all of DC. "

" @entropy_aegis said:

" @Inevitable said:

" @entropy_aegis said:

" @scarbearer said:

"Ok.. this is a little bit off topic.. but wasn't Pre-Crisis Darkseid actually a bit weaker than he is now?  I seem to remember reading somewhere that due to some where that Darkseid didn't really get 'depowered' by the Crisis.  I seem to remember Pre-Crisis Darkseid hiding behind minions and his Omega Beams an awful lot and it wasn't until after Crisis that we saw him beating the tar out of Superman with his bare hands very often. "

No,the problem was that post crisis darkseid was mismanaged and they told us that everything was an avatar,it's a big mess. hopefully within the next 5 years morrison finally gives them consistency.  "

They said that was an avatar because they couldn't find a better excuse for Darkseid being a puny jobber. "

Say's CV's resident troll,who thinks hulk>all of DC. "

I'm sorry, Mr. Fanboy, I forgot how that you had a Darkseid avatar image. "

" @comicdude23:You talk when you're allowed to talk, jasraj. "

"@comicdude23:The funny thing that you did just about the same thing concerning the Hulk, though he is not in this battle. Talk about the fanboys. "

Trion wins.

" @entropy_aegis said:

" @Inevitable said:

" @entropy_aegis said:

" @scarbearer said:

"Ok.. this is a little bit off topic.. but wasn't Pre-Crisis Darkseid actually a bit weaker than he is now?  I seem to remember reading somewhere that due to some where that Darkseid didn't really get 'depowered' by the Crisis.  I seem to remember Pre-Crisis Darkseid hiding behind minions and his Omega Beams an awful lot and it wasn't until after Crisis that we saw him beating the tar out of Superman with his bare hands very often. "

No,the problem was that post crisis darkseid was mismanaged and they told us that everything was an avatar,it's a big mess. hopefully within the next 5 years morrison finally gives them consistency.  "

They said that was an avatar because they couldn't find a better excuse for Darkseid being a puny jobber. "

Say's CV's resident troll,who thinks hulk>all of DC. "

Did he really say that? "

" @Inevitable: So you actually think Hulk can beat Darkseid? Read the latest Hulk issue, i think it was the latest, Hulk got his ass kicked by Zeus, made him look like a puny jobber. "

" @comicdude23 said:

" @Inevitable: So you actually think Hulk can beat Darkseid? Read the latest Hulk issue, i think it was the latest, Hulk got his ass kicked by Zeus, made him look like a puny jobber. "

zeus could beat up darkseid tho, dude "

" @comicdude23: uh yeah he could. Zeus is even with Odin and Surtur. "

" DS has conquered Olympus twice already... "

Only way for Darkseid to win is through BFR.

@TheFallenOne said:

Trion Juggernaut takes this rather easily. All arguments for Darkseid fail at this one. OF won't work since regular Classic Juggernaut couldn't be deleted from existence. Mind-raping, telepathic control won't work either. This Juggy was totaly imune to psi-blasts - furthere argument is that Cain's mind is takes by the evil side of the Trion gods who are at least the abstract level (totality of their realm/universe/dimension so basicly Eternities of their domain). He actually sucked Logan and Charles into his conciousness (with that feat shown the massive telepathic abilities himself). Also strength, durability and stamina of Trion Juggernaut are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even PC Darkseid (he was busting dimensions and dimensional barriers with his punches, incident left of dozens of dimensions/universes messed up ). Actually his durability and stamina are infinite. Like Classic Cain this Juggy was immortal (he is powered version of Classic). And Trion Juggernaut was an inteligent villain so no arguments like PC Darkseid wins due to inteligence. Also BFR I think won't be an option, since it would be impossible. To BFR him to another dimension/universe he will come back after 1 punch. To try to toss him to another side of the universe well out-muscle his forcefield and than outmuscle him (which is impossible).

Bump.

TJ's one weakness is telepathy. PC DS has one of the best telepathies in DC.

@Nefarious said:

Darkseid will BFR Trion Juggernaut.

Or just mind control him.