Ozymandias vs Captain America (No Shield)

Yeah Ozy has definitely shown varied combat styles, and even used a shield-like object before.

That being said, Captain America's advanced physical perfection might give him too much of an edge, and has more feats movie-wise to back it up. He's fought aliens, which is far out of the league of anything movie Watchmen Ozymandias has fought against.

Yes, I was talking about the movie versions.

You forget to mention that she was behind him when she called his name, so he had to turn around. So, yes, he had to move and turn around when she called him to get into position to even do what he did. It's not like he was facing her and then put up his hand like a catchers mitt to catch the bullet.

Also, Rorschach previously mentioned that they used to joke that he could catch a bullet. In other words, Ozy has a history of being fast, fast enough that they thought he could catch a bullet. Then he actually does, in panel. So we DO have evidence to suggest he could do it again, because he did it. Even if you think it was lucky, the fact is still that he did it.

Fine. Even if it were movie Ozy vs comic Cap, Cap still has better speed feats.

Movie vs movie depends, but I don't feel like having that discussion.

I realize.

Again: joked. Ozy himself never did it before. He openly admits that he wasn't sure he could do it. I don't see him duplicating that with a higher caliber bullet, as the bullet from that rather small revolver already shredded his hands, as shown by the blood.

I say once more: he's good by real life standards. He can't compete against other comic book characters. Simple as that. And no, not being in enough issues is not a good enough excuse.

It's not an excuse, it's an explanation for why one character has a lot of feats and the other has few.

As far as whether you think he can do it again or not, the CV rules say that each character is fighting at their best. The feat already proves he's capable of catching a bullet, and hence by the CV rules he can catch a bullet.

It's en excuse. It means making up feats.

No. The CV rules still account for the character's limitations. There's no proof that he's as good as you claim he is.

See, this is why I don't debate Watchmen characters. Good comic with characters who have suffered from fan hyperbole. I'm done.

I wouldn't say calling him olympic level is off though. I mean Daredevil him self is a top notch best of the best.... athlete. And his bullet feats are just as impressive or more.

And here is Cap beating bullets to there target. Bullet timer.

@krauser99:

You also have Cap doing this...

Note the gun being fired, THEN Cap dodges and throws is shield and it ricochets and hits Winter Soldier in the back all before he can get off a second shot, also we all know Winter Soldier isn't just some thug. He's a highly trained, highly accomplished assassin, who later became none other than Captain America himself. ;-)

Oh, we're posting Cap America bullet-dodging feats now? Ah, what the heck, I'll join in:

Thanks for the props man. You also make good points.

@veshark: Good pics, bro. I'd also like to add that in the third pic Cap is also dodging the bullets in mid flip after they've been fired again...

And the other pics are gold, when showing Cap's ability to actually dodge bullets rather than just time when a shooter is about to fire.

No prob. When you make valid points, it should be recognized. And thanks to you too. :-)

Ozy has really no way to win here. Cap Ftw.

I would just like to put this out. I am not arguing for Ozy but people are using a limited showing. To give a better appreciation of Ozymandias allow me to provide this.

Ozy as a youth was bullied and learned to fight in self defense:

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Improving his martial arts skill and effortlessly taking out a group of thugs who attack him from behind:

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Disassembling a gun before a thug can finish pulling the trigger:

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You'll note he calls the thug here a professional. Take that as you will. But he's easily able to counter and subdue him

Now here is a good one. Ozymandias is able to subdue a room full of thugs. He's able to do it easily and effectively so. But more importantly he's able to use his headband in ricochet and cause a light to fall on the last man standing with his gun to his head as if by design. While it's never stated, he's stated to fire it with pinpoint accuracy and it's a little too neat to be coincidince:

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His first fight with Comedian. He dodges machine gun fire easily. Is able to throw a stiletto down the barrel of gun while the trigger is being pulled. And is an even match for Comedian:

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He doesn't exactly lose but Comedian is able to catch him off-guard with a pretty simple tactic. But this is still in Ozy's early carrier here. This is some twenty years before the events of Watchmen.

Could Ozy take Cap? I still don't think so. But it wouldn't be a stomp though as some seem to suggest. But I figured it'd be beneficial to give some better definition of feats.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: heh

captain america duh