Orion vs. Valor (aka Mon-el)

I just read Superman Confidential #9. I also read that Waid story in JLA way back and I read Death of the New gods.

Is Orion a psychopath or what?! He wasn't like that in his Simonson series.

Anyway, morals are default, fight to the death, ko, or submission with incentive to win but PIS and CIS are on and they act in-character. Standard equipment. No BFR. If someone does a BFR they are disqualified for thread purposes. Prior knowledge of opponent is default plus name and likeness of their opponent. No prep.

The battlefield is the Hades Paradox Cup arena. They start as far apart as Sora does from his enemies in KH2.

Who, and more importantly WHY?

Orion's always been Red Lantern-material, if that's what you mean.

How do Mon-El's feats compare next to Superman's? Because I could honestly place Orion as slightly higher than Supes.

@CitizenBane: He doesn't have much that is quantifiable.

He passed Brainiac 2's tests and even destroyed the machines in the process. He's about equal to Lady Quark if he's on a high-grav, yellow-sun planet according to Brainiac 2's computer simulation.

He's fought Lobo inconclusively, and even fought Superman a few times. One time he punched Lobo into space but his powerlevels were fluctuating. He's too much one on one for a warrior from Cosmic Boy's race, according to Cosmic Boy himself IIRC (either he or Brainiac 5 said it). Oh, and he fought Chaser Bron.

DC isn't big on lifting feats.

Doesnt Mon el have his green lantern ring?

@termiteone4ever: I have no idea. When he was Valor I don't remember him having one.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@termiteone4ever: I have no idea. When he was Valor I don't remember him having one.

Oh you are talking way back then . You know Technically when valor first came he was suppose be stronger than superman back in the days . They made him way weaker.

 @The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

I just read Superman Confidential #9. I also read that Waid story in JLA way back and I read Death of the New gods.

Is Orion a psychopath or what?! He wasn't like that in his Simonson series.

Orion's always been Red Lantern-material, if that's what you mean.

How do Mon-El's feats compare next to Superman's? Because I could honestly place Orion as slightly higher than Supes.

But Lar has been defeated by Superman. Does that change things?