Orion Vs. Maestro

Vs.

Rules

• Random encounter
• Start 50 ft apart
• Standard equipment
  
• Morals off
• Bloodlusted

Location: Warworld

Orion.

Orion can handle any Hulk wannabe. 

Orion wins.

Orion

What. The. Heck. Maestro wins. Check out his trophies.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: Orion was already capable to beat his own father,that is more stronger than Maestro.

@matchesmalone21: He fulfulled his destiny one time. Also, Maestro is the strongest Hulk ever.

  when someone with Superman lvl strength is playing kick box with your head, you are going down for the count. 
Orion takes his.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: Orion was already capable to beat his own father,that is more stronger than Maestro.

@IZZR: I'm aware of the death of Darkseid from volume 3 of New gods, but I don't recall Orion resurrecting him. Darkseid IIRC let himself be killed to taint the Source and he came back through something that wasn't likely.

When was the other death? Was it during Yuga Khan's assault? Thanks.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@matchesmalone21: He fulfulled his destiny one time. Also, Maestro is the strongest Hulk ever.

No, Maestro is not "the strongest Hulk ever".

He is from an alternate reality, where the events of World War Hulk(and the events after that), never happened.

World War/World Breaker Hulk is considerably stronger than Maestro, same goes for Heart of the Monster Hulk.

@SirMethos: So are you saying Orion wins?

@IZZR: I'm aware of the death of Darkseid from volume 3 of New gods, but I don't recall Orion resurrecting him. Darkseid IIRC let himself be killed to taint the Source and he came back through something that wasn't likely.

When was the other death? Was it during Yuga Khan's assault? Thanks.

Orion

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: I haven't given an opinion on who wins either way. I was simply correcting a statement that was flat out false.

@SirMethos: I have a question for you. Who came first - the Maestro or War Hulk?

@Nefarious said:

Orion can handle any Hulk wannabe.

Well technically he is the Hulk, just from an alternate dimension.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia:Maestro.

Future Imperfect(where Maestro first appeared) was published in 1997, while World War Hulk wasn't published until 2007.

@matchesmalone21 said:

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: Orion was already capable to beat his own father,that is more stronger than Maestro.

No he killed Darkseid 3 times, and resurrected him twice.

@WaveMotionCannon said:

@IZZR

@matchesmalone21 said:

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: Orion was already capable to beat his own father,that is more stronger than Maestro.

No he killed Darkseid 3 times, and resurrected him twice.

Was it the real DS or his "avatar"?

Well the infamous fight everyone has seen of them 2 when Orion punches a hole in his chest...that fight Darkseid lost on purpose...the fight before that Orion killed him and the fight before that he killed his avatar.

@SirMethos: According to what I read on the Internet, Future Imperfect was '92, while War Hulk was '97.

PAD has gone on record as saying that the Maestro is more powerful than War Hulk because he's been War Hulk. So it stands to reason the Maestro was also Worldbreaker.

@SirMethos: According to what I read on the Internet, Future Imperfect was '92, while War Hulk was '97.

PAD has gone on record as saying that the Maestro is more powerful than War Hulk because he's been War Hulk. So it stands to reason the Maestro was also Worldbreaker.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: You're right about '92(not sure why I put '97, brain fart on my end :/ ) But World War Hulk was published in 2007.

Also, War Hulk =/= World War Hulk. War Hulk was the version that was taken by Apocalypse and turned into his Horseman(war). World War Hulk was the one that was sent into space, landed on Sakaar, etc.

Maestro has never been through the events of World War Hulk.

@IZZR: World War Hulk was exposed to a huge amount of radiation as well, and has an unparalleled level of rage, due to the slaughter of his wife and unborn child. World War/World Breaker Hulk, and by extension the Heart of the Monster Hulk, is more powerful than Maestro.

@IZZR: I have to see those scans. Can you please post all of them?

If this is a brawl, it will be tough for Orion.

@IZZR: I have to see those scans. Can you please post all of them?

@IZZR: Yes, But just the one when he looks like Darkseid. You can Pm me if you want to because I don't want to flood this thread.

@IZZR: Yes, But just the one when he looks like Darkseid. You can Pm me if you want to because I don't want to flood this thread.

@SirMethos: War Hulk stopped the Juggernaut. He tapped into an entire universe of power. And he debuted after Future Imperfect, so PAD is obviously of the opinion that Maestro has been through whatever Hulk's been through.

Also, you're seriously confused about World War Hulk. I never even mentioned him. I said War Hulk.

this is hard.... i really dont know

@IZZR said:

@matchesmalone21 said:

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: Orion was already capable to beat his own father,that is more stronger than Maestro.

No he killed Darkseid 3 times, and resurrected him twice.

I am quite certain Orion has never resurrected Darkseid, while he has killed him before, those incident seem to have been retconned.

Orion killed Darkseid during New Gods Volume 3: Day of wratch, and this is how it was retconned:

assuming you are talking about these scans

Gallery

Although if you wanna include New Gods Volume 1 Issue 12 , Orion after losing his mother box fought Darkseid in a short fight, and got the better of Darkseid who was very scared of him at that time.

@Killemall:Are you sure it was Volume 1? Because that's all Pre Crisis.

@SokMaDeak: Some of the Pre-Crisis stuff stands (or at least pre-Flashpoint it did) when it comes to events in the Fourth World. For instance, the time Superman wanted to go to Supertown and met the Forever People.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@SokMaDeak: Some of the Pre-Crisis stuff stands (or at least pre-Flashpoint it did) when it comes to events in the Fourth World. For instance, the time Superman wanted to go to Supertown and met the Forever People.

Wouldn't that make all of Darkseids Pre Crisis showings stand still?

@SokMaDeak said:

@Killemall:Are you sure it was Volume 1? Because that's all Pre Crisis.

Yes it is pre-crisis and hence i never bothered to save the scans :p.

@SokMaDeak: No. It's hard to explain, but obviously they're not at Pre-Crisis levels of power but the events chronicled are the same. Billion Dollar Bates did have a full working copy of the Anti-Life Equation, for instance, as it was referenced Post-Crisis.

Also, Darkseid helped create the Post-Crisis Parasite due to his memories of the Pre-Crisis Parasite. Technically, the Fourth World was hidden during COIE.

@IZZR: Okay Thanks.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: Maestro has also had appearances in Incredible Hulk Vol2 #460-461, which was released in january and febuary of '98(after War Hulk), and a last appearance in 2002(which, in-universe, took place before his debut).

Which explains why he has been through the events of War Hulk. Again, Maestro has never been through the events of World War Hulk.

World War/World Breaker Hulk, and by proxy, the Heart of the Monster Hulk, is the strongest version of Hulk, not the Maestro.

@IZZR: Yes, But just the one when he looks like Darkseid. You can Pm me if you want to because I don't want to flood this thread.

@IZZR: Thanks.

@IZZR: Thanks.

Orion

@IZZR: :D

@SirMethos: Fair point. I did neglect that Maestro had more appearances.

I still think PAD intended him to be future Hulk though, and I still think Hulk feats are his, but I can't prove it.