#1 Posted by Pierpat (2669 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre New 52 Orion:

Current(616) hulk:

Rules:

Morals off

no prep, no info

win by ko/incapacitation/death

Fight here(no people around):

#2 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4359 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion should win this in a stomp

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#3 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion rather easily.

#4 Edited by comic_book_fan (5174 posts) - - Show Bio

if this is purely phisical fight then hulk if orion uses his other powers he can win.

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#5 Posted by Simon_the_digger (2817 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion.

#6 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3189 posts) - - Show Bio

You've got Orion in this fight with his morals (what few he has in the first place) OFF ?!? Sweet Christmas.....

#7 Posted by New_World_Order (12301 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk.

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#9 Posted by Evil Incarnate (3631 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion

#10 Posted by Needlebay (1931 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion stomps.

#11 Posted by Tesseract (872 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion won against Darkseid, how is Hulk going to win this?

#12 Posted by theDCkid (874 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion.

#13 Edited by New_World_Order (12301 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion won against Darkseid, how is Hulk going to win this?

That was only because it's his destiny. Just like how it's Thor's destiny to kill the Midgard Serpent.

#14 Posted by King Saturn (223716 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion wins in tough fight with Hulk...

#15 Posted by ChaosMarvel (991 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion

#16 Edited by AlteredBeast (149 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion would lose because of his personality. He is a hot shot shit talking asswhole who has a knack for pissing people off. He'd do the same shit to Hulk and only get him really angry.... and well.....we all know what happens when Hulk gets angry. Hulk would eventually get a hold of Orion because Orion probably assumes he can go toe-to-toe with him, but nobody can go toe-to-toe with the Hulk cause there are no brakes on that train. Anyway Orion tries to serve Hulk up using only hands, but instead gets his chest caved in if not just torn in half.

HULK starts slow but finishes him like the last slice of pizza.

#17 Posted by Immortal777 (6679 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion.

#18 Posted by Needlebay (1931 posts) - - Show Bio

Read Simonon's Orion. He was very intelligent in there and not so much of a hot shot compared to when he joined the JLA. Orion wins.

#19 Posted by Clark_EL (2346 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion

#20 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4359 posts) - - Show Bio

Read Simonon's Orion. He was very intelligent in there and not so much of a hot shot compared to when he joined the JLA. Orion wins.

Sorry to derail the topic a bit, but do they a TPB of Simonson's Orion run?

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#21 Posted by AlteredBeast (149 posts) - - Show Bio

If PIS or BFR is not an option then Hulk would beat Orion like a drum. Tell me why Hulk can't literally grab Orion's left art then grab his right arm then pull with his unlimited strength?

#22 Edited by whacknasty (5599 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Orion should win, given everything he has at his disposal (his harness/Astro Force and I would assume a motherbox). I also think he could ko Hulk with pure physicality since he is morals off from the start and, imo, would be stronger than Hulk at the beginning of the battle.

#23 Posted by rpottage (836 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion New-God stomps.

#24 Posted by rpottage (836 posts) - - Show Bio

If PIS or BFR is not an option then Hulk would beat Orion like a drum. Tell me why Hulk can't literally grab Orion's left art then grab his right arm then pull with his unlimited strength?

Hulk doesn't have unlimited strength.

#25 Posted by wolverinethesoldier (91 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion wins this

#26 Edited by AlteredBeast (149 posts) - - Show Bio

here is Hulk Mauling Silver Surfer, I think this feat counts for something because while we can debate who is strong between Silver Surfer and Orion we can agree that their abilities are at least comparable.

Here is why I said Hulk has unlimited strength:

According to the official Marvel website: "The Hulk possesses an incredible level of superhuman physical ability. His capacity for physical strength is potentially limitless due to the fact that the Hulk's strength increases proportionally with his level of great emotional stress, anger in particular."

If you think Orion can outrun the Hulk you'd be mistaken because: "The Hulk can also use his superhuman leg muscles to run at super speeds, although his legs have limitless strength he does not have limitless speed and once he reaches a certain speed his legs become too strong and destroy the ground giving him no friction to run on, therefore he jumps to travel."

If you think Orion can hurt the Hulk the website also describes his level of durability: "The Hulk has shown a high resistance to physical damage nearly regardless of the cause, and has also shown resistance to extreme temperatures, mind control, nuclear explosions, poisons, and all diseases. In addition to the regeneration of limbs, vital organs, and damaged or destroyed areas of tissue at an amazing rate. The Hulk also has superhuman endurance."

More on Marvel.com:

http://marvel.com/universe/Hulk_(Bruce_Banner)#ixzz2PAvirbgG

This is why I said HULK

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#28 Edited by rpottage (836 posts) - - Show Bio

@alteredbeast: That's not unlimited strength. He theoretically has the potential to keep increasing his strength as his rage increases; but that doesn't mean he simply has unlimited strength.

And the durability doesn't actually suggest that Orion would be unable to hurt him; the best in that description is the nuclear explosion which I'm sure most people would agree is far less powerful than Superman or Darkseid. Orion is depicted as being on par with them; so he should easily be able to harm Hulk.

#29 Posted by AlteredBeast (149 posts) - - Show Bio

Guys

You Guys

Guys:

Here is a list of Hulk feats (http://marvel.wikia.com/Robert_Bruce_Banner_(Earth-616))

-Among his most amazing feats are supporting a falling 150 billion ton mountain using leverage[177]

-ripping through a bunker designed to withstand the explosion of many thousands of megatons in magnitude[178]

-eventually overpowering the Invisible Woman, the Thing and the Human Torch[179], matching the Scarlet Witch (prior to House of M) and Wonder Man, Iron Man and Vision, while the narration establishes that the Hulk's power is greater than their combined might[180]

-matching theSuper Adaptoid who had acquired strength and durability of a hundred heroes like Iron Man and the Vision[181](if the statement of the cover is not directly contradicted by the story, then it is correct)

-closing the doors to a nuclear core that Thor and the Thing together could not budge[135]

-reflecting Gladiator's ocular beams back into his eyes, and knocking him unconscious[182](before entering in the factory)

-knocking the Silver Surfer out with three blows[183](both were very weakened by the passage through the black hole)

-matching two Avengers teams during a prolonged period of time in spite of becoming gradually weaker due to a physical separation from Banner[184]

-almost breaking the East Coast and also threatening to break the entire planet by the emission of energy from his body[147]

--destroying the Crypto Man after he was boosted with physical strength superior to that of Thor [185]

--overpowering Thor[186]

--pushing two spheres of matter and antimatter apart[187]

--holding together the tectonic plates of a planet[188]

--overpowering a field of energy endowed with sufficient power to change the orbit of a planet[47]

--destroying a planet in Dark Dimension after clashing with Red She-Hulk[176]

--destroying an asteroid twice the size of the planet Earth with a single punch [189] (due mainly to his superior physical toughness and to an impulse produced by the contraction of his legs. Based on the elastic potential energy, the impulse's kinetic energy was provided by the contraction)

--overcoming a power-draining mechanism which contained much of the combined power of himself, Doctor Strange, the Silver Surfer and Namor [190],

--applying force to the space-time structure itself to prevent all theDefenders from being absorbed into a fissure [120](with the size of the singularity estimated in about seven feets according to the Schwarzschild radius, then it's mass and gravitational attraction, by the equivalence principle, is thus equivalent to approximately two hundred Earths),

--smashing adamantium[167][191],

--breaking up the own space-time continuum [87],

--ripping off a powerful device designed to fight against the Celestials[192](levelling down, if it could withstand power proportional to the Kubik's, many orders of magnitude inferior to the Celestials, that's already significant),

--overcoming Onslaught's enormous strength[131](which achieved at least Celestial level in raw power[193]. He could alter reality and use telekinesis on Celestial level to amplify his great strength. Firstly, the ability to warp reality is essentially the materialization of any potential. Potential is, by definition, what can become reality, and the capacity to modify reality basically concretes this function. Franklin was the primary responsible for the resurrection of Galactus, created a replica of Galactus, etc. Secondly, the alternate versions varies in intrinsic power. For example, the 616 Mad Jim Jaspers is more powerful than the Earth-238 Jaspers. Additionally,the Psi-Lord ranks below the 616 "kid" Franklin Richards in the energy manipulation official ratings. Third, Onslaught was neutralized because of Franklin's intervention, sometime after Onslaught's last evolution, in order to save the heroes. Franklin's interference implies he broke free from Onslaught's control, weakening him. Nate is potentially an entity, but he lacked the property to bend reality and has only planetary feats. Finally, as Onslaught could not evolve by himself, since utilized the Hulk for that finality, then it means the Hulk surpassed his strength potential).

--However, Hulk's greatest feat was to propagate concussive force through an infinite number of dimensions by the impact of the collision withIronclad[194] (entire dimensions, and not multiversal planets. First, the writer describes dimensions and where there are planets there are also dimensions, as every planet is directly vinculated to dimensions. Therefore to send concussive force to planets propitiates to transmit concussive energy to dimensions and their multitudes of astronomical entities. Secondly, there are countless dimensions without planets: Universes in the beginning of formation, universes where equal quantities of matter and antimatter were produced and generated only radiation, etc. Besides, there are literally infinite inter-branched alternate universes in the entire Omniverse. Therefore the postulate that suggests that only planets received the entire energy is probabilistically equal to zero. The force would encompass a strictly infinite number of dimensions with the volume of our observable universe, intensifying in the close proximity of the impact. Finally, the few planets shown were just examples of what occurred inside the dimensions. Anyway, the diffusion of raw energy to infinite planets would equate the dissemination of force through the volume of infinite observable universes. The same argument is applied for the premise that they were sub-sections of the main universe, just replacing the word "planet" for "sub-dimension" and the word "dimension" for "universe". It is important to notice that the U-Foes's powers were vastly augmented while on Earth, so that Vector repelled the reality itself and thus transported them to Crossroads[195]. Undoubtedly not all physical laws were operationally identical, but the propagation of energy was shared by all dimensions and the Crossroads)

--Thor even stated once that the Hulk could possibly be stronger than himself[196].

#30 Posted by Pierpat (2669 posts) - - Show Bio

Seems somebody does not think it's a stomp after all…

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#31 Posted by WillPayton (9029 posts) - - Show Bio

@alteredbeast said:

If PIS or BFR is not an option then Hulk would beat Orion like a drum. Tell me why Hulk can't literally grab Orion's left art then grab his right arm then pull with his unlimited strength?

Again with the "Hulk has unlimited strength" baloney.

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#32 Posted by WillPayton (9029 posts) - - Show Bio

And Orion, especially with no morals, would beat Hulk to a bloody pulp. Deal with it fanboys.

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#33 Posted by TifaLockhart (13975 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk would win a fistfight. Unfortunately for him, Orion's MO is to blast with the astro-force. I say Hulk gets Ko'd by it unleashed.

#34 Edited by TheAcidSkull (17125 posts) - - Show Bio

hulk

#35 Edited by Billy Batson (57704 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion.

@needlebay said:

Read Simonon's Orion. He was very intelligent in there and not so much of a hot shot compared to when he joined the JLA. Orion wins.

Sorry to derail the topic a bit, but do they a TPB of Simonson's Orion run?

Just the first five issues (which were mediocre compared to the later issues) and the backup material of later issues.

If you can get the singles, do get it. It's a masterpiece.

BB

#36 Posted by TifaLockhart (13975 posts) - - Show Bio

Simonson's Orion was the best. Great art and writing. Sorry for thread jacking.

#37 Posted by xeon1cs (1479 posts) - - Show Bio

If PIS or BFR is not an option then Hulk would beat Orion like a drum. Tell me why Hulk can't literally grab Orion's left art then grab his right arm then pull with his unlimited strength?

Probably because the more likely scenario is Orion one-shots him with the Astro Force.

#38 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16882 posts) - - Show Bio

@alteredbeast:

Half of Your arguments are out of context. Like one with Surfer. Surfer was crushing Hulk AND Warbound in the same time. They couldn't do a thing to him, until Hulk broke his control disk. Surfer stopped fighting and was thanking Hulk for freedom and then Hulk punched him.

#39 Edited by izbighulk (590 posts) - - Show Bio

If Hulk can survive a blast from Galactus what will Orion do to him ?

#40 Posted by TifaLockhart (13975 posts) - - Show Bio

How hard did Galactus blast him? Cause Hulks been put down by far less.

#41 Posted by izbighulk (590 posts) - - Show Bio

And survived much worse like being shot by a Celestial !

#42 Posted by TifaLockhart (13975 posts) - - Show Bio

By that logic, Wasp can't be put down by Orion.

#43 Posted by izbighulk (590 posts) - - Show Bio

I was just trying to show that he is not just stronger than Orion

#44 Posted by TifaLockhart (13975 posts) - - Show Bio

So you're saying Hulk is stronger than Galactus and Celestials too? I don't follow.

#45 Posted by izbighulk (590 posts) - - Show Bio

No just that if he can endure their blast he can endure whatever Orion throws at him

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#47 Posted by TifaLockhart (13975 posts) - - Show Bio

And that's the point where I ignore izbighulk per the forum rules.

#48 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (11276 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion speed blitzes Hulk, he really does, he has a mother box that heals him nearly as fast as Hulk and can teleport him around just for that advantage if he wanted. If Orion was lazy he could just BFR Hulk through a boom tube, since he's not, he's gonna obliterate Hulk with his Astro Force or straight up blitz him

#49 Posted by izbighulk (590 posts) - - Show Bio

because you know as well as i do hulk wins this

#50 Posted by God_Spawn (37121 posts) - - Show Bio

@alteredbeast:

here is Hulk Mauling Silver Surfer, I think this feat counts for something because while we can debate who is strong between Silver Surfer and Orion we can agree that their abilities are at least comparable.

I'm not sure what your point in even posting this is? You realize in that same fight, Surfer, who was cut off from the power cosmic mind you, was beating Hulk around the coliseum and was about to kill him if not for Hulk's warbound stepping in to distract Surfer, allowing Hulk to catch him flat footed and proceed to pound on him only for ths Silver Surfer to get back up and thank him, right? And you realize Surfer has pretty much bested Hulk in the best part of their confrontations, right?

Sooo using an out of context scan and a bunch of wiki links (that some are even wrong to begin with or lack proper context) to begin with does nothing for your case.

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