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#51  Edited By crmidnight
@MrDirector786 said:
" @Chesapeake said:
" @crmidnight said:

" @MrRagePants said:

" @Chesapeake said:
"Therefore I said that Beta Ray Bill had faced equal impressive adversaries in his own universe. For me, that was not a good reason why Orion will defeat BRB. "
Orion would defeat BRB because...
  • He is physically superior.
  • His most impressive feat is defeating Darkseid. I don't recall BRB defeating Thanos or someone resembling DS in MU.
  • His Motherbox + Harness + Astrofoce >= Stormbreaker.
  • If all else fails, he got a human face.
"
ROFLMFAO! XD WIN! I'm sold! Human Face wins! "
It has been interesting to read your opinions but I disagree with the idea that Beta Ray Bill can not find the weakness of Orion and use it against him during the battle.

BRB would defeat Orion because...

  • He is as equal physically superior.
  • His Stormbreaker. >= Motherbox + Harness + Astrofoce
  • If all else fails, he got a Horse face.

I give you that:

  • He had not defeated Galactus who is a similar version of Darksaid. However, he kept him away from destroying the universe.
"
 First of all, all Bill did with Galactus in Godhunter was destroy planets he was trying to eat in an attempt to starve him as revenge for destroying his people. Galactus at the time was also extremely weakened and Bill's plan wouldn't have worked if he wasn't so weakened at the time. If your referring to Stormbreaker: Saga of Beta Ray Bill, he cracked Galactus' armor, but many here agree that it was bad writing and he should not have been able to crack his armor open.  Second of all, he is not equal to him physically. He's about Thor's level of strength. Orion is above Superman's level of strength. And Superman is stronger than Thor. And if you want proof as to how Superman is physically superior, the greatest feat of strength Thor displayed was lifting the midgard serpent. Thor and Bill also worked together to lift Asgard. Superman on the other hand has moved the Earth with the help of Wonder Woman and the Martian Manhunter. He also pretty much moved the Earth on his own in Justice League of America issue 29. Moving the Earth >>> Lifting the midgard serpent or Asgard with help  Orion also has superior fighting skills and his motherbox, harness, and astroforce are more powerful than Stormbreaker.  Orion wins. "

She doesn't get that... 
People keep throwing fact after fact out there,  
and she keeps trying to go another route. 
This battle is pretty much over. 
Orion Wins
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#52  Edited By Daydream
@Chesapeake said:
" @crmidnight said:

" @Chesapeake said:

" @Backflip said:

" Power Ranking isn't valid. Noh-Varr comes in at second, yet The Spectre is lower than him? Why? Fanboys. "
You are right. The power rankings do not apply but just as a reference : Superman #51, Hulk #23 and Thor #6 "
Then why would you use that for your arguement? "
Because someone said " Orion is a great fighter too though... and Orion has beaten Superman level foes before... I dont see how Bill can beat Orion " . Therefore I said that Beta Ray Bill had faced equal impressive adversaries in his own universe. For me, that was not a good reason why Orion will defeat BRB. "
I don't see how you can say that BRB faced equally impressive adversaries if you cannot prove that his opponents are similar in power to Orion's foes.
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#53  Edited By crmidnight
@Daydream:
It's also been pointed out that he didn't BEAT Galactus, he only slowed him down, and when he cracked his armor, 
people agree that the writing was BS... So I don't think that counts. BRB really isn't in Orion's league. Impressive, but 
not stronger.
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#54  Edited By kheranlord12
@MrDirector786 said:
" @Chesapeake said:
" @crmidnight said:

" @MrRagePants said:

" @Chesapeake said:
"Therefore I said that Beta Ray Bill had faced equal impressive adversaries in his own universe. For me, that was not a good reason why Orion will defeat BRB. "
Orion would defeat BRB because...
  • He is physically superior.
  • His most impressive feat is defeating Darkseid. I don't recall BRB defeating Thanos or someone resembling DS in MU.
  • His Motherbox + Harness + Astrofoce >= Stormbreaker.
  • If all else fails, he got a human face.
"
ROFLMFAO! XD WIN! I'm sold! Human Face wins! "
It has been interesting to read your opinions but I disagree with the idea that Beta Ray Bill can not find the weakness of Orion and use it against him during the battle.

BRB would defeat Orion because...

  • He is as equal physically superior.
  • His Stormbreaker. >= Motherbox + Harness + Astrofoce
  • If all else fails, he got a Horse face.

I give you that:

  • He had not defeated Galactus who is a similar version of Darksaid. However, he kept him away from destroying the universe.
"
 First of all, all Bill did with Galactus in Godhunter was destroy planets he was trying to eat in an attempt to starve him as revenge for destroying his people. Galactus at the time was also extremely weakened and Bill's plan wouldn't have worked if he wasn't so weakened at the time. If your referring to Stormbreaker: Saga of Beta Ray Bill, he cracked Galactus' armor, but many here agree that it was bad writing and he should not have been able to crack his armor open.  Second of all, he is not equal to him physically. He's about Thor's level of strength. Orion is above Superman's level of strength. And Superman is stronger than Thor. And if you want proof as to how Superman is physically superior, the greatest feat of strength Thor displayed was lifting the midgard serpent. Thor and Bill also worked together to lift Asgard. Superman on the other hand has moved the Earth with the help of Wonder Woman and the Martian Manhunter. He also pretty much moved the Earth on his own in Justice League of America issue 29. Moving the Earth >>> Lifting the midgard serpent or Asgard with help  Orion also has superior fighting skills and his motherbox, harness, and astroforce are more powerful than Stormbreaker.  Orion wins. "
Prove it that orion is stronger then superman
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#55  Edited By crmidnight
@warlord1234 said:
" @MrDirector786 said:
" @Chesapeake said:
" @crmidnight said:

" @MrRagePants said:

" @Chesapeake said:
"Therefore I said that Beta Ray Bill had faced equal impressive adversaries in his own universe. For me, that was not a good reason why Orion will defeat BRB. "
Orion would defeat BRB because...
  • He is physically superior.
  • His most impressive feat is defeating Darkseid. I don't recall BRB defeating Thanos or someone resembling DS in MU.
  • His Motherbox + Harness + Astrofoce >= Stormbreaker.
  • If all else fails, he got a human face.
"
ROFLMFAO! XD WIN! I'm sold! Human Face wins! "
It has been interesting to read your opinions but I disagree with the idea that Beta Ray Bill can not find the weakness of Orion and use it against him during the battle.

BRB would defeat Orion because...

  • He is as equal physically superior.
  • His Stormbreaker. >= Motherbox + Harness + Astrofoce
  • If all else fails, he got a Horse face.

I give you that:

  • He had not defeated Galactus who is a similar version of Darksaid. However, he kept him away from destroying the universe.
"
 First of all, all Bill did with Galactus in Godhunter was destroy planets he was trying to eat in an attempt to starve him as revenge for destroying his people. Galactus at the time was also extremely weakened and Bill's plan wouldn't have worked if he wasn't so weakened at the time. If your referring to Stormbreaker: Saga of Beta Ray Bill, he cracked Galactus' armor, but many here agree that it was bad writing and he should not have been able to crack his armor open.  Second of all, he is not equal to him physically. He's about Thor's level of strength. Orion is above Superman's level of strength. And Superman is stronger than Thor. And if you want proof as to how Superman is physically superior, the greatest feat of strength Thor displayed was lifting the midgard serpent. Thor and Bill also worked together to lift Asgard. Superman on the other hand has moved the Earth with the help of Wonder Woman and the Martian Manhunter. He also pretty much moved the Earth on his own in Justice League of America issue 29. Moving the Earth >>> Lifting the midgard serpent or Asgard with help  Orion also has superior fighting skills and his motherbox, harness, and astroforce are more powerful than Stormbreaker.  Orion wins. "
Prove it that orion is stronger then superman "

Has Superman ever done anything like this?
 
 
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#56  Edited By Chesapeake
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#57  Edited By Silver2467
@Chesapeake: Try not to post pictures out of context. Bill never fought equally with Post-Annihilation Surfer. He challenged Surfer and was hit by Surfer's board, followed by two punches from Surfer. Bill was bleeding after that. He was not unconscious and could have continued fighting, but he chose not to. Posting a picture of Bill against Surfer does not prove anything given their actual interaction. 
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#58  Edited By crmidnight
@Silver2467 said:
" @Chesapeake: Try not to post pictures out of context. Bill never fought equally with Post-Annihilation Surfer. He challenged Surfer and was hit by Surfer's board, followed by two punches from Surfer. Bill was bleeding after that. He was not unconscious and could have continued fighting, but he chose not to. Posting a picture of Bill against Surfer does not prove anything given their actual interaction.  "

Besides, Surfer wasn't at his strongest that he's been in that encounter. He was watered down, then. About it. 
And that encounter with Galactus was poor writing... I wouldn't even count that as something tough he's done.
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#59  Edited By Silver2467
@crmidnight said:

" @Silver2467 said:

" @Chesapeake: Try not to post pictures out of context. Bill never fought equally with Post-Annihilation Surfer. He challenged Surfer and was hit by Surfer's board, followed by two punches from Surfer. Bill was bleeding after that. He was not unconscious and could have continued fighting, but he chose not to. Posting a picture of Bill against Surfer does not prove anything given their actual interaction.  "

Besides, Surfer wasn't at his strongest that he's been in that encounter. He was watered down, then. About it. And that encounter with Galactus was poor writing... I wouldn't even count that as something tough he's done. "
My point was though that Surfer quickly proved superiority in their fight, especially given that Surfer never even wanted to fight Bill. It proves very little. I agree with you about Galactus instance also. 
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#60  Edited By crmidnight
@Silver2467 said:
"@crmidnight said:

" @Silver2467 said:

" @Chesapeake: Try not to post pictures out of context. Bill never fought equally with Post-Annihilation Surfer. He challenged Surfer and was hit by Surfer's board, followed by two punches from Surfer. Bill was bleeding after that. He was not unconscious and could have continued fighting, but he chose not to. Posting a picture of Bill against Surfer does not prove anything given their actual interaction.  "

Besides, Surfer wasn't at his strongest that he's been in that encounter. He was watered down, then. About it. And that encounter with Galactus was poor writing... I wouldn't even count that as something tough he's done. "
My point was though that Surfer quickly proved superiority in their fight, especially given that Surfer never even wanted to fight Bill. It proves very little. I agree with you about Galactus instance also.  "

Yep, I was agreeing with you, too. Trying to explain to Chesapeake that just because there's a picture of BRB Smacking Surfer doesn't  
mean BRB took him out. That pic I posted of Orion Punching out Darkseid, that's legit, because Orion killed him.
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#61  Edited By Silver2467
@crmidnight said:
" @Silver2467 said:
"@crmidnight said:

" @Silver2467 said:

" @Chesapeake: Try not to post pictures out of context. Bill never fought equally with Post-Annihilation Surfer. He challenged Surfer and was hit by Surfer's board, followed by two punches from Surfer. Bill was bleeding after that. He was not unconscious and could have continued fighting, but he chose not to. Posting a picture of Bill against Surfer does not prove anything given their actual interaction.  "

Besides, Surfer wasn't at his strongest that he's been in that encounter. He was watered down, then. About it. And that encounter with Galactus was poor writing... I wouldn't even count that as something tough he's done. "
My point was though that Surfer quickly proved superiority in their fight, especially given that Surfer never even wanted to fight Bill. It proves very little. I agree with you about Galactus instance also.  "
Yep, I was agreeing with you, too. Trying to explain to Chesapeake that just because there's a picture of BRB Smacking Surfer doesn't  mean BRB took him out. That pic I posted of Orion Punching out Darkseid, that's legit, because Orion killed him. "
Understood. 
 
To be fair though, in that fight with Darkseid, I think Darkseid allowed Orion to kill him. Most of Darkseid and Orion's fights have been staged by Darkseid in some form or another. I think Orion has legitimately defeated Darkseid once or twice though. 
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#62  Edited By crmidnight
@Silver2467 said:
" @crmidnight said:
" @Silver2467 said:
"@crmidnight said:

" @Silver2467 said:

" @Chesapeake: Try not to post pictures out of context. Bill never fought equally with Post-Annihilation Surfer. He challenged Surfer and was hit by Surfer's board, followed by two punches from Surfer. Bill was bleeding after that. He was not unconscious and could have continued fighting, but he chose not to. Posting a picture of Bill against Surfer does not prove anything given their actual interaction.  "

Besides, Surfer wasn't at his strongest that he's been in that encounter. He was watered down, then. About it. And that encounter with Galactus was poor writing... I wouldn't even count that as something tough he's done. "
My point was though that Surfer quickly proved superiority in their fight, especially given that Surfer never even wanted to fight Bill. It proves very little. I agree with you about Galactus instance also.  "
Yep, I was agreeing with you, too. Trying to explain to Chesapeake that just because there's a picture of BRB Smacking Surfer doesn't  mean BRB took him out. That pic I posted of Orion Punching out Darkseid, that's legit, because Orion killed him. "
Understood.  To be fair though, in that fight with Darkseid, I think Darkseid allowed Orion to kill him. Most of Darkseid and Orion's fights have been staged by Darkseid in some form or another. I think Orion has legitimately defeated Darkseid once or twice though.  "

Yeah, I'll agree to that, too...But the fact remains that Orion has defeated Darkseid in a legit situation... 
Something Superman hasn't done that often... If Superman defeated DS at all...My memory is blurry 
on that situation...
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#63  Edited By MrRagePants
@Chesapeake said:
It has been interesting to read your opinions but I disagree with the idea that Beta Ray Bill can not find the weakness of Orion and use it against him during the battle.

BRB would defeat Orion because...

  • He is as equal physically superior.
  • His Stormbreaker. >= Motherbox + Harness + Astrofoce
  • If all else fails, he got a Horse face.

I give you that:

  • He had not defeated Galactus who is a similar version of Darksaid. However, he kept him away from destroying the universe.
"
  • Then answer us, how will BRB find Orion's weakness? I posted an analogy to you before, if you encountered a man on the street who started fighting you, how would you find out his weakness (let's say in this case, his weakness is Swiss Miss with Marshmallow)?
  • They are not physically equal, Orion's strength at his best is equal or even above Superman's. Bill will never surpass Thor's. 
  • Given the option to marry a human and a horse face you would choose a horse?
  • Though I must say that's a pretty impressive feat for BRB, but keeping away or slowing Galactus is not equivalent to killing him. Orion KILLED Darkseid.
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@MrRagePants: Don't sound like Darkseid is comparable to Galactus. He is a bug to Big G.
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#65  Edited By crmidnight
@MrRagePants said:
" @Chesapeake said:
It has been interesting to read your opinions but I disagree with the idea that Beta Ray Bill can not find the weakness of Orion and use it against him during the battle.

BRB would defeat Orion because...

  • He is as equal physically superior.
  • His Stormbreaker. >= Motherbox + Harness + Astrofoce
  • If all else fails, he got a Horse face.

I give you that:

  • He had not defeated Galactus who is a similar version of Darksaid. However, he kept him away from destroying the universe.
"
  • Then answer us, how will BRB find Orion's weakness? I posted an analogy to you before, if you encountered a man on the street who started fighting you, how would you find out his weakness (let's say in this case, his weakness is Swiss Miss with Marshmallow)?
  • They are not physically equal, Orion's strength at his best is equal or even above Superman's. Bill will never surpass Thor's. 
  • Given the option to marry a human and a horse face you would choose a horse?
  • Though I must say that's a pretty impressive feat for BRB, but keeping away or slowing Galactus is not equivalent to killing him. Orion KILLED Darkseid.
"

That's a good point about that random encounter. One of the best points of the thread.
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#66  Edited By MrRagePants
@TheJuggernautpunch said:
" @MrRagePants: Don't sound like Darkseid is comparable to Galactus. He is a bug to Big G. "
I don't see Juggernaut's name being thrown around. Why are you here? If you're correcting me, please, you're not worthy. I wasn't comparing Galactus to DS, I was comparing the best feats done by each. Orion killed DS. BRB slowed Galactus.
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#68  Edited By MrDirector786

The first time Bill encountered Galactus, he cracked his armor and many have agreed that it was PIS and that he shouldn't have been able to do that.
 
The second time, which was in Godhunter, Bill tried to starve Galactus by destroying the planets Galactus was trying to devour and his plan was only working because Galactus was considerably weakened at the time because he was captured and a lot of his energy was being stolen and used to destroy planets and so by the time he freed himself he was really weak. The Surfer told Bill that if it hadn't been for that, his plan would not have worked at all.

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#69  Edited By MrRagePants
@MrDirector786 said:
" The first time Bill encountered Galactus, he cracked his armor and many have agreed that it was PIS and that he shouldn't have been able to do that.  The second time, which was in Godhunter, Bill tried to starve Galactus by destroying the planets Galactus was trying to devour and his plan was only working because Galactus was considerably weakened at the time because he was captured and a lot of his energy was being stolen and used to destroy planets and so by the time he freed himself he was really weak. The Surfer told Bill that if it hadn't been for that, his plan would not have worked at all. "
Still, what's done is done. It still counts as his feats, but it's still moot in this thread seeing it's not comparable to Orion killing DS. Your point is taken though, thanks for clarifying.
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#70  Edited By crmidnight
@MrRagePants said:
" @MrDirector786 said:
" The first time Bill encountered Galactus, he cracked his armor and many have agreed that it was PIS and that he shouldn't have been able to do that.  The second time, which was in Godhunter, Bill tried to starve Galactus by destroying the planets Galactus was trying to devour and his plan was only working because Galactus was considerably weakened at the time because he was captured and a lot of his energy was being stolen and used to destroy planets and so by the time he freed himself he was really weak. The Surfer told Bill that if it hadn't been for that, his plan would not have worked at all. "
Still, what's done is done. It still counts as his feats, but it's still moot in this thread seeing it's not comparable to Orion killing DS. Your point is taken though, thanks for clarifying. "

But the Armor was only Cracked. Galactus was never defeated by BRB. That could NEVER happen and if it does, the writer needs to be fired.
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#71  Edited By Alyssabird

How come everybodies picking on beta ray bill tonight?

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Orion one shots BRB with Astro Force.

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Orion would smash BRB..

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Orion.

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bill breaks him

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Orion.

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Orion all day

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This is good fight, it could go either way IMO.

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Horse god of thunder vs dog of war? lol

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I think Orion, superior reaction speed and the astro force for the win.

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Probably BRB.

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Bump

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Orion borderline stomps.

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Orion wins comfortably

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Orion.

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Orion, not even close.

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#87  Edited By Kevd4wg

Orion solidly

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Orion tears him apart

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Orion

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Orion, pretty considerably.

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Beta Ray Bill would stomp. Orion would lose to Superman, Beta Ray Bill is Superman on steroids with versatility equal to a GL and Thor and Surfer.

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Lol at the post above me

Orion wins

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Orion one shots

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@brax said:

Orion would smash BRB..

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#96  Edited By teganstone7

Orion easily. Also, Bill knows nothing about Orion's weakness to Radion. Having weaknesses doesn't necessarily mean that they will lose, especially if the other character has no way of knowing about it.

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Orion in massive mismatch one shots. sorry thor

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#100  Edited By ComicGirl21

Just compare Orion fights with Darkseid (pretty decent fights, some he even won with context) with BRB fights with Thanos. (He is one shot each time). BRB is not in one tier with Orion. Highballed astro force has universal feats. BRB gets stomped.