Original fantastic 4 vs Thorless Avengers

round 1: 1 day prep, battle in new york, KO

Iron man

antman

wasp

hulk

vs

human torch

invisble women

thing

mr. fantastic

Round 2: 3 hour prep, KO, battle in new york

Captain america

iron man

hulk

wasp

antman

vs

human torch

thing

invisible women

mr. fantastic

Having no Thor does nothing here, they still win.

The avengers wins this on both rounds.

With prep the FF stomp. Is this current versions or how the power levels they were at originally?

Sorry to be a spelling Nazi but it's invisible womAn unless there's two Sue Storms. I'll have to go with Avengers on both

Avengers.

Avengers

@charlieboy said:

With prep the FF stomp. Is this current versions or how the power levels they were at originally?

No they don't. The FF has one prep master, the Avengers have three.

@charlieboy said:

With prep the FF stomp. Is this current versions or how the power levels they were at originally?

current

@guttridgeb: Reed is a bit above the others though. I still think the FF win. Sue's field's alone are going to be a major problem for the Avengers.

Avengers.

If both have prep we have Reed vs. Tony, and I don't think Reed can do more in 3 hours than Tony can, he just has more tech readily available. Including things like an army of Iron Man suits.

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Reed could just come up with something that shuts down all tech during the fight.

@charlieboy: Stark, Pym and Banner working together are superior to Mr. Fantastic on his own.

@guttridgeb: Maybe but he is superior to each of them individually.

@charlieboy: Definitely.

@guttridgeb said:

@charlieboy: Stark, Pym and Banner working together are superior to Mr. Fantastic on his own.

I don't know man. I feel like Reed could teach them all something in their respective fields. I still think Avengers win.

@spinningbirdcake: Why does everybody think that the Avengers win? Is it because of the prep. If it is because of the Hulk Sue has beat him by cutting off his oxygen before.

@charlieboy said:

@spinningbirdcake: Why does everybody think that the Avengers win? Is it because of the prep. If it is because of the Hulk Sue has beat him by cutting off his oxygen before.

Cutting off his oxygen won't work, Hulk can survive in vacuums.

@spinningbirdcake said:

@guttridgeb said:

@charlieboy: Stark, Pym and Banner working together are superior to Mr. Fantastic on his own.

I don't know man. I feel like Reed could teach them all something in their respective fields. I still think Avengers win.

Possibly, though I haven't seen anything to suggest that Reed is superior to Banner when it comes to Gamma rays and I have seen stuff proving Banner's superiority.

@charlieboy: I was initially saying Avengers win because of Hulk yeah. The FF can win the first round, but I think they lose the second round. They're outnumbered oh and the Avengers now have Cap.

@guttridgeb: Since when does Hulk not need air? He has been beaten by being oxygen deprived. I am not saying you are wrong. But this is a change I was not aware of.

@spinningbirdcake: What is Cap going to do?

@charlieboy: Be the leader and organizer he always is (when written well.) That's like saying "what is Batman going to do in the Justice League?" (Don't mention Johns's J.L.) He's the strategist.

@spinningbirdcake: I know. I just don't think Cap can take any of the FF. Him, the Wasp, and Pym are pretty much dead weight here in that I don't think they can defeat an FF member.

@charlieboy: I'm not sure when Hulk first showed that he doesn't need air but he definitely doesn't at the moment.

@charlieboy: I just checked and he could survive in space as early as 1969.

@guttridgeb: Was this by holding his breath or not needing air?

@charlieboy: He survived for quite a while IIRC. Come to think of it though, I'm not quite sure, I'll see if I can find the graphic novel and check that :)

@charlieboy: Earlier he used to hold his breath I believe. Though now, simillar to his water breathing, his body adapts to the situation.

@guttridgeb: @Mr_Winchester: Thanks guys. I am not as up on the Hulk as I should be apparently.

@Lvenger said:

Round 1 should go to the Avengers given the combined minds of Pym, Banner and Stark being able to conjure up something to take down the FF and outwit Reed. Plus Hulk is more than tough enough to take down Sue's forcefields or thunderclap Johnny's flame out. As for Round 2, that would be closer but I think Cap's strategic mind coupled with Banner and Stark's should enable the Avengers to come out on top again. Stark can always remote control his armours to attack the FF.

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