Order of the White Lotus vs Team Avatar

Team Avatar: Zuko, Toph, Katara, Sokka (with space sword and boomerang), and Aang (doesn't start in avatar state)
Order of the White Lotus: Bumi, Pakku, Piandao, and Iroh.
 
battle takes place outside the walls of Ba Sing Se at dawn. No Sozins comet or full moon. Can the addition of Aang tip this in the avatars favor, or will superior experience hold out against these young powerful benders? No BFR.

nobody?

What BFR? No barf? 
 
This is a tough one. I would say Team Avatar though. Toph is definitely a better earth bender than Bumi. Katara is better than Pakku. I don;t think Sokka could take on his master, same with Zuko, but Team avatar having Aang gives them the win. If they didn't have Aang. White Lotus would win, in a close match.

" @Fire-brand: Ok so even if they're tied in bending or even is bumi is better. (Even though they have said Toph is the greatest earth bender alive) Team avatar has Aang! "

" @EpitomeofCool said:

" @Fire-brand: Ok so even if they're tied in bending or even is bumi is better. (Even though they have said Toph is the greatest earth bender alive) Team avatar has Aang! "

Toph called herself the greatest Earth-Bender, the same way Bumi refered to himself as the most powerful living Earth-Bender. I would argue that he is the stronger of the two, but the real clincher in their fight would be that Bumi has around one hundred years of experience of Toph.  Every member of the White Lotus has far more experience then any member of team Avatar, unless Aang is in the Avatar state. The Avatar state is also the only way that team Avatar will win this. "

despite the experience advantage, toph does have metalbending to her advantage. i'm not certain, but i feel that each member of team avatar can hold off their corresponding lotus members until aang can assist them. we already saw katara dueling pakku and holding her own quite well BEFORE she was trained, she might have advanced to the level to beat him. i think the kicker might be Iroh. he's called The Dragon of the West for a very good reason. i'm worried that he might be able to beat zuko AND aang. he was said to be the only other who could beat ozai, which even aang couldn't do without entering the avatar state. either way it's a very close call. i give it to team avatar 6/10  due to their experience working with each other in battle.

" despite the experience advantage, toph does have metalbending to her advantage.

we already saw katara dueling pakku and holding her own quite well BEFORE she was trained, she might have advanced to the level to beat him.

he was said to be the only other who could beat ozai, which even aang couldn't do without entering the avatar state. either way it's a very close call. i give it to team avatar 6/10  due to their experience working with each other in battle. "

Bumi and Iroh on the same team is cheating.

White Lotus wins this. They are all masters that have years of practice of different techniques and even trained some if not all of team avatar. i mean the only advantages for team 2 are that Toph can metal bend and Ang is the avatar so unless Ang goes into the avatar state White Lotus should win this.

" @EpitomeofCool said:

" @Fire-brand: Ok so even if they're tied in bending or even is bumi is better. (Even though they have said Toph is the greatest earth bender alive) Team avatar has Aang! "

Toph called herself the greatest Earth-Bender, the same way Bumi refered to himself as the most powerful living Earth-Bender. I would argue that he is the stronger of the two, but the real clincher in their fight would be that Bumi has around one hundred years of experience of Toph.  Every member of the White Lotus has far more experience then any member of team Avatar, unless Aang is in the Avatar state. The Avatar state is also the only way that team Avatar will win this. "

I agree that many of the match ups between the teams are even. I feel like the fight could go either way - whether Pakku was toying with Katara when she was less skilled or not, it is fairly clear that her bending skills are comparable to any we have seen from him. Also, whether Bumi has more raw power than Toph or not, I doubt he'd be able to defeat her - she might not be able to beat him, but I don't see any other earthbender taking the upper hand against Toph, she is too sensing savvy. I would call a stalemate of sorts with these two match ups. Sokka might be able to hold his own against Piandao, but would eventually probably lose. Iroh would be one deciding factor - he outmatches Zuko. Aang is another - with Aang it's possible they're all evenly matched, but they'd definitely need the extra person. 
 
The White Lotus might or might not have more experience together than Team Avatar. More general experience, yes. But together? That's not necessarily true. They all live in different parts of the world - it's not as though they've been together constantly for all these decades. And speaking of decades, they're all rather old. And while there is no doubt they're all incredibly powerful and skilled, do they share the same stamina/energy to endure a possibly ongoing battle that younger benders would have? *shrug* I'm not saying Team Avatar would always win, just that it might be possible and that it's not so cut and dry.

I believe Bumi knows Toph is blind. He turns the ground into sand or just jumps in the and punches her or levitates a few rocks in the air and sends them at her. Toph actually has a very big weakness that can be exploited and Bumi is the one to do it. Aang does not instantly go avatar. He can be tagged by any of them just as Azula did. And Aang doesn't attack he usually dodges. I'm giving this to the Old guys

Order of the White Lotus, easy. While Aang is good. He is only a master of Air. While the White Lotus group had two master fire benders(the best only behind Ozai), the best Water bender, and easily the best Earth Bender(besides maybe Toph, its hard to judge with her strong weakness against Sand). I don't think its a massive stomp, but I don't think the White Lotus Suffers much damage.

mmmhmmm the greats of the now vs the greats of the future..............i say white lotus...the children have much to learn still

White lotus  wins Team avatar loses due to lack of  experience.

" @EpitomeofCool said:

" @Fire-brand: Ok so even if they're tied in bending or even is bumi is better. (Even though they have said Toph is the greatest earth bender alive) Team avatar has Aang! "

Toph called herself the greatest Earth-Bender, the same way Bumi refered to himself as the most powerful living Earth-Bender. I would argue that he is the stronger of the two, but the real clincher in their fight would be that Bumi has around one hundred years of experience of Toph.  Every member of the White Lotus has far more experience then any member of team Avatar, unless Aang is in the Avatar state. The Avatar state is also the only way that team Avatar will win this. "

I think the oldies would win but we should consider kataras ability to blood bend also... i think everyone forgot her ability to blood bend...

She can't bloodbend in this scenario

@pooty why cant she blood bend in this scenario? I thought she could blood bend without the full moon.

No she can't. People try to use the Southern Raiders as an example, but they showed a full moon before they went onto the boat

@arcus: Damn Arcus...can I answer an Avatar question without you stealing my thunder??!! lol

P.S when I typed Arcus, my spell check changed it to "sexual".

@pooty: haha, no you cannot

Huh, well that's different

Aang is obviously MVP

• Iroh beats Zuko mid dif.
• Katara takes Pakku high dif.
• Bumi takes Toph mid-high dif.
• Piandao stomps Sokka

The Gaang easily wins here because of Aang, but if you add in Jeong Jeong, the the White Lotus should win on account of most old masters being able to defeat the prodigies.

Avatar state Aang slaughters.

However,

Iroh beats Zuko mid dif.

Katara stalemates/ just loses to Pakku.

Bumi beats Toph mid dif.

Piando curbs Sokka.

Aang however, is more than enough to completely turn this fight around for the gaang.