Gohan at the end of the Vegeta Saga
Most powerful GodzillaSetting: Namek, full moonRules: No BFRFight!Bonus round: Golden Oozaru Bebi vs Mecha Godzilla and GodzillaOozaru Gohan vs Godzilla
Godzilla 8/10
Gohan Oozaru is out of control, and Godzilla has combat experience + the fact he has delt with giant monster before and always comes out on top.
Most powerful Godzilla is Final wars Godzilla, who survived various nukes and is extremely durable.
The only reason i'm giving Gohan 2 wins is because of his power.
Smash mountains taller then skyscrapers with his hand.
Impressive energy blasts
If Gohan kept going the world would of been destroyed
@CadenceV2 said:
@XImpossibruX: Yeah hes way more Durable. Its not like a Sword can cut thru tail... oh wait :)
Godzilla never got his tail cut off?
And Yes that's the weakpoint on the Oozaru and Sayains.
@XImpossibruX said:
@CadenceV2 said:
@XImpossibruX: Yeah hes way more Durable. Its not like a Sword can cut thru tail... oh wait :)
Godzilla never got his tail cut off?
And Yes that's the weakpoint on the Oozaru and Sayains.
I meant that toward Gohan.
This alone is why Final Wars STOMPS!
Skip to :25
Seriously Godzilla beat down like 12 monsters and then fought Monster X at the end. His Blasts is accurate enought to hit a Meteor from Space and blow Cities Away! His Durability is even better to take all these attacks and fully recover.
@CadenceV2: Love that tune!
And yes Godzilla is much more durable, and stronger then Oozaru gohan, good scans Godzilla wins.
@Laurcus: He can be Power Level 10,000,000 It doesnt mater since A) He wa detailed by Power Level under 500 Fat Guy with a Sword and B) He never showed any real awsome use of Ki at all.
@CadenceV2 said:
@Laurcus: He can be Power Level 10,000,000 It doesnt mater since A) He wa detailed by Power Level under 500 Fat Guy with a Sword and B) He never showed any real awsome use of Ki at all.
Vegeta cut off Gohan's tail, not Yajirobe. You also have no idea whatsoever what Yajirobe's power level is. And Gohan did use a mouth blast, so he has ki control. Power level also just generally increases strength, speed and durability.
@Laurcus said:
@CadenceV2 said:
@Laurcus: He can be Power Level 10,000,000 It doesnt mater since A) He wa detailed by Power Level under 500 Fat Guy with a Sword and B) He never showed any real awsome use of Ki at all.
Vegeta cut off Gohan's tail, not Yajirobe. You also have no idea whatsoever what Yajirobe's power level is. And Gohan did use a mouth blast, so he has ki control. Power level also just generally increases strength, speed and durability.
Wow a Power Level does all that? Thats awsome bro! He still has crap Drability vs Sharp Objects. Now you pointed out the Superior Power level Vegeta Ape had his Tail cut off. Wow! Way to help Gohan lose!
None of his attack showed it could end Godzilla at all and his Ki Blast were all over the place. Gohan had no control. Big G can shoot Gohans Tail off like he did that meteor in Space!!!
@CadenceV2 said:
@Laurcus said:
@CadenceV2 said:
@Laurcus: He can be Power Level 10,000,000 It doesnt mater since A) He wa detailed by Power Level under 500 Fat Guy with a Sword and B) He never showed any real awsome use of Ki at all.
Vegeta cut off Gohan's tail, not Yajirobe. You also have no idea whatsoever what Yajirobe's power level is. And Gohan did use a mouth blast, so he has ki control. Power level also just generally increases strength, speed and durability.
Wow a Power Level does all that? Thats awsome bro! He still has crap Drability vs Sharp Objects. Now you pointed out the Superior Power level Vegeta Ape had his Tail cut off. Wow! Way to help Gohan lose!
None of his attack showed it could end Godzilla at all and his Ki Blast were all over the place. Gohan had no control. Big G can shoot Gohans Tail off like he did that meteor in Space!!!
DBZ has a lot of inconsistencies which is mainly PIS. Because people like Goku and the Androids can tank swords but others can't.
Yeah he was real Awsome showings with that power and no control or way to use it to the fullest.....
Again not all that impressive, smart, or use of Ki blast......
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@CadenceV2 said:
DBZ has a lot of inconsistencies which is mainly PIS. Because people like Goku and the Androids can tank swords but others can't.
Goku and Androids were able to endure swords because they are more powerful than Trunks. If that was Cell trying to cut them, instead of Trunks, they would end up in pieces
@Mortein said:
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@CadenceV2 said:
DBZ has a lot of inconsistencies which is mainly PIS. Because people like Goku and the Androids can tank swords but others can't.
Goku and Androids were able to endure swords because they are more powerful than Trunks. If that was Cell trying to cut them, instead of Trunks, they would end up in pieces
By your logic Vegeta should have been impervious to Yajirobi's sword. Even Krillin was gonna kill him with it. As I've said before PIS.
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@Mortein said:
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@CadenceV2 said:
DBZ has a lot of inconsistencies which is mainly PIS. Because people like Goku and the Androids can tank swords but others can't.
Goku and Androids were able to endure swords because they are more powerful than Trunks. If that was Cell trying to cut them, instead of Trunks, they would end up in pieces
By your logic Vegeta should have been impervious to Yajirobi's sword. Even Krillin was gonna kill him with it. As I've said before PIS.
Vegeta should of been impervious.
It's the fact that the tails have always been the weakest point on Saiyans.
If Yajirobi tried to cut anywhere else, it wouldn't do anything.
@XImpossibruX said:
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@Mortein said:
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@CadenceV2 said:
DBZ has a lot of inconsistencies which is mainly PIS. Because people like Goku and the Androids can tank swords but others can't.
Goku and Androids were able to endure swords because they are more powerful than Trunks. If that was Cell trying to cut them, instead of Trunks, they would end up in pieces
By your logic Vegeta should have been impervious to Yajirobi's sword. Even Krillin was gonna kill him with it. As I've said before PIS.
Vegeta should of been impervious.
It's the fact that the tails have always been the weakest point on Saiyans.
If Yajirobi tried to cut anywhere else, it wouldn't do anything.
One problem tho. I wasn't referring to the tail. He cut through his Saiyan Armor with a regular katana. Pure PIS, idk why people overlook this.
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@Mortein said:
@SpeedForceSpider said:
@CadenceV2 said:
DBZ has a lot of inconsistencies which is mainly PIS. Because people like Goku and the Androids can tank swords but others can't.
Goku and Androids were able to endure swords because they are more powerful than Trunks. If that was Cell trying to cut them, instead of Trunks, they would end up in pieces
By your logic Vegeta should have been impervious to Yajirobi's sword. Even Krillin was gonna kill him with it. As I've said before PIS.
Well I think the difference in power needs to be big enough. Apparently the difference in power between weakened and wounded Vegeta and Yacharobe was smaller than a power difference between Trunks and Goku.
Also Goku prepared for that attack, and Vegeta was unprepared, this could also play a big role.
Or it could have been a PIS, as you said, clearly no fictional story is without a PIS.
@CadenceV2 said:
@Laurcus said:
@CadenceV2 said:
@Laurcus: He can be Power Level 10,000,000 It doesnt mater since A) He wa detailed by Power Level under 500 Fat Guy with a Sword and B) He never showed any real awsome use of Ki at all.
Vegeta cut off Gohan's tail, not Yajirobe. You also have no idea whatsoever what Yajirobe's power level is. And Gohan did use a mouth blast, so he has ki control. Power level also just generally increases strength, speed and durability.
Wow a Power Level does all that? Thats awsome bro! He still has crap Drability vs Sharp Objects. Now you pointed out the Superior Power level Vegeta Ape had his Tail cut off. Wow! Way to help Gohan lose!
None of his attack showed it could end Godzilla at all and his Ki Blast were all over the place. Gohan had no control. Big G can shoot Gohans Tail off like he did that meteor in Space!!!
Do you really have to be insulting and ignorant at the same time? You don't know Gohan or Vegeta's durability against sharp objects because YOU DON'T KNOW YAJIROBE'S POWER LEVEL.
Godzilla's breath is also not a sharp object anyway, so that's a moot point. His durability vs energy attacks is what matters in the case. And he stood up to multiple attacks from Vegeta, who was himself a planet buster. Another thing, how would Godzilla know that the tail is Gohan's weak point?
@Mortein: But Goku and Trunks power difference was minuscule as SSJ's. But in DBZ a small gap is all you need to dominate your opponent. Although Vegeta should have still been leagues ahead of Yajirobe even while wounded. But PIS is the most logical route and as you said virtually every piece of fiction has it.
@SpeedForceSpider: Vegeta was almost entirely out of power. And we don't know Yajirobe's power level. Hardly an inconsistency. We do know though that Yajirobe's power level was higher than 260, but that's it. We also don't know the difference between Goku and Trunks' respective power levels. For all we know the Zenkai that Goku got from fighting Frieza made him 50x stronger. We simply have no data on the subject. In fact the only true non-speculation based power level we have for post Frieza saga, is we know Supreme Kai had a power level of 120 billion.
@Laurcus said:
@SpeedForceSpider: Vegeta was almost entirely out of power. And we don't know Yajirobe's power level. Hardly an inconsistency. We do know though that Yajirobe's power level was higher than 260, but that's it.
Makes sense since he is stronger than Roshi a moon buster by your logic. You really opened my eyes thanks.
@Laurcus: You mention Planet busting attack. He tried one Planet Busting attack via a Uber charged Galick Gun. All those Blast on Gohan was no where near City Busting which Godzilla attacks are. Godzilla also throws Gohans weight over the Horizen!
Gohan in Ape Form is nowhere Near GZ in Skill, or Durability, and Gohans Ki Blast were sad compared to GZ Final Wars.
@agentxx said:
@Wolfrazer said:
All irrelevant since Godzilla wins this fight anyway.This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
QFT XD
@CadenceV2: Vegeta blows up Arlia with one finger. And do I really need to explain ki control again? Just because a DBZ character's attacks have the requisite power to bust planets doesn't mean they automatically bust planets. Because something can be very small and very powerful. It takes a conscious effort to spread out the attack and increase the blast radius. It's why Broly throws out tons of little energy blasts that do nothing more than kick up some dust, and then he throws the same sized energy blast and blows up a planet. Basically, just go play World of Warcraft until you understand the difference between single target dps and AoE dps.
@SpeedForceSpider You're very welcome sir.
@Frozen said:
Godzilla. Any other version of Gohan would win, but not this particular version. The most powerful version of Godzilla is FW Godzilla, and he was firing his ray into space, easily taking on multiple monsters at once and is more durable than Oozaru.
Firing a ray into space is not a good feat at all..... literally anyone could do that.
Did you see the scans? Oozaru is way to powerful for Godzilla.
@SMDfanboys said:
@Frozen said:
Godzilla. Any other version of Gohan would win, but not this particular version. The most powerful version of Godzilla is FW Godzilla, and he was firing his ray into space, easily taking on multiple monsters at once and is more durable than Oozaru.
Firing a ray into space is not a good feat at all..... literally anyone could do that.
Did you see the scans? Oozaru is way to powerful for Godzilla.
I saw the scans and it wasn't stated anywhere that Oozaru form is 10x stronger, it was just assumed. No other version of Godzilla has ever fired their ray that far.
@Frozen said:
@SMDfanboys said:
@Frozen said:
Godzilla. Any other version of Gohan would win, but not this particular version. The most powerful version of Godzilla is FW Godzilla, and he was firing his ray into space, easily taking on multiple monsters at once and is more durable than Oozaru.
Firing a ray into space is not a good feat at all..... literally anyone could do that.
Did you see the scans? Oozaru is way to powerful for Godzilla.
I saw the scans and the argument was countered. No other version of Godzilla has ever fired their ray that far.
How has any argument for Gohan been countered?
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@SMDfanboys said:
@Frozen said:
Godzilla. Any other version of Gohan would win, but not this particular version. The most powerful version of Godzilla is FW Godzilla, and he was firing his ray into space, easily taking on multiple monsters at once and is more durable than Oozaru.
Firing a ray into space is not a good feat at all..... literally anyone could do that.
Did you see the scans? Oozaru is way to powerful for Godzilla.
I saw the scans and the argument was countered. No other version of Godzilla has ever fired their ray that far.
How has any argument for Gohan been countered?
That above scan wasn't. I had just overlooked that so I edited my post.
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@SMDfanboys said:
@Frozen said:
Godzilla. Any other version of Gohan would win, but not this particular version. The most powerful version of Godzilla is FW Godzilla, and he was firing his ray into space, easily taking on multiple monsters at once and is more durable than Oozaru.
Firing a ray into space is not a good feat at all..... literally anyone could do that.
Did you see the scans? Oozaru is way to powerful for Godzilla.
I saw the scans and the argument was countered. No other version of Godzilla has ever fired their ray that far.
How has any argument for Gohan been countered?
That above scan wasn't. I had just overlooked that so I edited my post.
Now you've confused me lol. I'm sorry, which one are you saying would win? I'm all mixed up at this point.
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@SMDfanboys said:
@Frozen said:
Godzilla. Any other version of Gohan would win, but not this particular version. The most powerful version of Godzilla is FW Godzilla, and he was firing his ray into space, easily taking on multiple monsters at once and is more durable than Oozaru.
Firing a ray into space is not a good feat at all..... literally anyone could do that.
Did you see the scans? Oozaru is way to powerful for Godzilla.
I saw the scans and the argument was countered. No other version of Godzilla has ever fired their ray that far.
How has any argument for Gohan been countered?
That above scan wasn't. I had just overlooked that so I edited my post.
Now you've confused me lol. I'm sorry, which one are you saying would win? I'm all mixed up at this point.
I think Godzilla still wins, but only against Gohan's version of Oozaru. Goku's as Oozaru is a completely different story.
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@SMDfanboys said:
@Frozen said:
Godzilla. Any other version of Gohan would win, but not this particular version. The most powerful version of Godzilla is FW Godzilla, and he was firing his ray into space, easily taking on multiple monsters at once and is more durable than Oozaru.
Firing a ray into space is not a good feat at all..... literally anyone could do that.
Did you see the scans? Oozaru is way to powerful for Godzilla.
I saw the scans and the argument was countered. No other version of Godzilla has ever fired their ray that far.
How has any argument for Gohan been countered?
That above scan wasn't. I had just overlooked that so I edited my post.
Now you've confused me lol. I'm sorry, which one are you saying would win? I'm all mixed up at this point.
I think Godzilla still wins, but only against Gohan's version of Oozaru. Goku's as Oozaru is a completely different story.
Can you explain to me why you think Godzilla wins?
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@SMDfanboys said:
@Frozen said:
Godzilla. Any other version of Gohan would win, but not this particular version. The most powerful version of Godzilla is FW Godzilla, and he was firing his ray into space, easily taking on multiple monsters at once and is more durable than Oozaru.
Firing a ray into space is not a good feat at all..... literally anyone could do that.
Did you see the scans? Oozaru is way to powerful for Godzilla.
I saw the scans and the argument was countered. No other version of Godzilla has ever fired their ray that far.
How has any argument for Gohan been countered?
That above scan wasn't. I had just overlooked that so I edited my post.
Now you've confused me lol. I'm sorry, which one are you saying would win? I'm all mixed up at this point.
I think Godzilla still wins, but only against Gohan's version of Oozaru. Goku's as Oozaru is a completely different story.
Can you explain to me why you think Godzilla wins?
I've already explained it. His atomic-ray and tail-swipe is a factor, one tail-swipe easily knocked out Zilla. Oozaru Gohan was limited in feats and honestly, Goku's form of Oozaru was much more impressive. Godzilla is also more durable.
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@SMDfanboys said:
@Frozen said:
Godzilla. Any other version of Gohan would win, but not this particular version. The most powerful version of Godzilla is FW Godzilla, and he was firing his ray into space, easily taking on multiple monsters at once and is more durable than Oozaru.
Firing a ray into space is not a good feat at all..... literally anyone could do that.
Did you see the scans? Oozaru is way to powerful for Godzilla.
I saw the scans and the argument was countered. No other version of Godzilla has ever fired their ray that far.
How has any argument for Gohan been countered?
That above scan wasn't. I had just overlooked that so I edited my post.
Now you've confused me lol. I'm sorry, which one are you saying would win? I'm all mixed up at this point.
I think Godzilla still wins, but only against Gohan's version of Oozaru. Goku's as Oozaru is a completely different story.
Can you explain to me why you think Godzilla wins?
I've already explained it. His atomic-ray and tail-swipe is a factor, one tail-swipe easily knocked out Zilla. Oozaru Gohan was limited in feats and honestly, Goku's form of Oozaru was much more impressive. Godzilla is also more durable.
DBZ isn't about feats, DBZ is about power scaling. Feats alone cannot be trusted because of the nature of energy, and how widely its effects can vary.
Gohan's strength and durability are both at a multi-planet busting level because his power level is over 30k. Unless Godzilla can planet bust, he's not even remotely in Gohan's league.
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@SMDfanboys said:
@Frozen said:
Godzilla. Any other version of Gohan would win, but not this particular version. The most powerful version of Godzilla is FW Godzilla, and he was firing his ray into space, easily taking on multiple monsters at once and is more durable than Oozaru.
Firing a ray into space is not a good feat at all..... literally anyone could do that.
Did you see the scans? Oozaru is way to powerful for Godzilla.
I saw the scans and the argument was countered. No other version of Godzilla has ever fired their ray that far.
How has any argument for Gohan been countered?
That above scan wasn't. I had just overlooked that so I edited my post.
Now you've confused me lol. I'm sorry, which one are you saying would win? I'm all mixed up at this point.
I think Godzilla still wins, but only against Gohan's version of Oozaru. Goku's as Oozaru is a completely different story.
Can you explain to me why you think Godzilla wins?
I've already explained it. His atomic-ray and tail-swipe is a factor, one tail-swipe easily knocked out Zilla. Oozaru Gohan was limited in feats and honestly, Goku's form of Oozaru was much more impressive. Godzilla is also more durable.
DBZ isn't about feats, DBZ is about power scaling. Feats alone cannot be trusted because of the nature of energy, and how widely its effects can vary.
Gohan's strength and durability are both at a multi-planet busting level because his power level is over 30k. Unless Godzilla can planet bust, he's not even remotely in Gohan's league.
That's the problem. DBZ is all power-scaling more about feats, the argument for Gohan is too hypothetical.
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@SMDfanboys said:
@Frozen said:
Godzilla. Any other version of Gohan would win, but not this particular version. The most powerful version of Godzilla is FW Godzilla, and he was firing his ray into space, easily taking on multiple monsters at once and is more durable than Oozaru.
Firing a ray into space is not a good feat at all..... literally anyone could do that.
Did you see the scans? Oozaru is way to powerful for Godzilla.
I saw the scans and the argument was countered. No other version of Godzilla has ever fired their ray that far.
How has any argument for Gohan been countered?
That above scan wasn't. I had just overlooked that so I edited my post.
Now you've confused me lol. I'm sorry, which one are you saying would win? I'm all mixed up at this point.
I think Godzilla still wins, but only against Gohan's version of Oozaru. Goku's as Oozaru is a completely different story.
Can you explain to me why you think Godzilla wins?
I've already explained it. His atomic-ray and tail-swipe is a factor, one tail-swipe easily knocked out Zilla. Oozaru Gohan was limited in feats and honestly, Goku's form of Oozaru was much more impressive. Godzilla is also more durable.
DBZ isn't about feats, DBZ is about power scaling. Feats alone cannot be trusted because of the nature of energy, and how widely its effects can vary.
Gohan's strength and durability are both at a multi-planet busting level because his power level is over 30k. Unless Godzilla can planet bust, he's not even remotely in Gohan's league.
I agree with this statement entirely.
But unfortunately Comics follow the opposite rule, so it's hard to debate each other
@XImpossibruX said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@Laurcus said:
@Frozen said:
@SMDfanboys said:
@Frozen said:
Godzilla. Any other version of Gohan would win, but not this particular version. The most powerful version of Godzilla is FW Godzilla, and he was firing his ray into space, easily taking on multiple monsters at once and is more durable than Oozaru.
Firing a ray into space is not a good feat at all..... literally anyone could do that.
Did you see the scans? Oozaru is way to powerful for Godzilla.
I saw the scans and the argument was countered. No other version of Godzilla has ever fired their ray that far.
How has any argument for Gohan been countered?
That above scan wasn't. I had just overlooked that so I edited my post.
Now you've confused me lol. I'm sorry, which one are you saying would win? I'm all mixed up at this point.
I think Godzilla still wins, but only against Gohan's version of Oozaru. Goku's as Oozaru is a completely different story.
Can you explain to me why you think Godzilla wins?
I've already explained it. His atomic-ray and tail-swipe is a factor, one tail-swipe easily knocked out Zilla. Oozaru Gohan was limited in feats and honestly, Goku's form of Oozaru was much more impressive. Godzilla is also more durable.
DBZ isn't about feats, DBZ is about power scaling. Feats alone cannot be trusted because of the nature of energy, and how widely its effects can vary.
Gohan's strength and durability are both at a multi-planet busting level because his power level is over 30k. Unless Godzilla can planet bust, he's not even remotely in Gohan's league.
I agree with this statement entirely.
But unfortunately Comics follow the opposite rule, so it's hard to debate each other
It's not that hard to debate, as long as everyone understands the rules for both. For example. If a DBZ character is at a moon busting level via power scaling, and a comic book, (or in this case movie) character has busted a planet, then the non-DBZ character is stronger. If the situation is inverted, then the DBZ character is stronger.
If you go purely by feats, DBZ makes absolutely no sense. That would make Broly by FAR the most powerful character in the series, followed by Kid Buu and then First Form Frieza. It would make no sense so consistently that you couldn't even call inconsistency or PIS on it. It would just be utter nonsense.
If people find power scaling to be too theoretical, they need to stay out of threads with DBZ characters, because power scaling will always be involved. If you don't like math don't take an algebra class.
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