Fight takes place in marine ford.
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The pirates that were standing around commented that it was a Haki imbued stab iirc.
You're talking about this instance?
Not only Aokiji tells them to stop talking nonsense... But WB didn't use/showed any visible Haki in the entire Marine Fort... This is just an assumption by your part. Not like the next panel when Jozu tackles him and actually does something to him.
The difference between Jozu and Whitebeard is... That Jozu actually showed Haki in a instance before this when he hit Crocodile and harmed him the same way he harmed Aokiji.
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The admirals blocked that attack to protect the platform, it wouldnt had done anything to themself.
Yeah, but it still took the 3 of them to stop such attack. 1 couldn't have done it by himself, because, you know... If that was the case, why would all of them need to stand up and act? Why not only Kizaru?
Why would he need to travel along that ray? He is the ray he sends out and at the end he just materializes, but that doesn´t really matter, it a useless technique either way.
He uses that technique to travel quite far distances, at least combat wise, as seen in Sabaody... The fact that he can move fast in close combat is possibly due to Soru, which he must have by default given his rank in the Marine.
The technique is not useless... Why would it be useless if he can travel at lightspeed while doing it, really, he just appears like a flash infront of people when he uses that technique.
@ghostravage said:
The pirates that were standing around commented that it was a Haki imbued stab iirc.
You're talking about this instance?
Not only Aokiji tells them to stop talking nonsense... But WB didn't use/showed any visible Haki in the entire Marine Fort... This is just an assumption by your part. Not like the next panel when Jozu tackles him and actually does something to him.
The difference between Jozu and Whitebeard is... That Jozu actually showed Haki in a instance before this when he hit Crocodile and harmed him the same way he harmed Aokiji.
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The admirals blocked that attack to protect the platform, it wouldnt had done anything to themself.
Yeah, but it still took the 3 of them to stop such attack. 1 couldn't have done it by himself, because, you know... If that was the case, why would all of them need to stand up and act? Why not only Kizaru?
Why would he need to travel along that ray? He is the ray he sends out and at the end he just materializes, but that doesn´t really matter, it a useless technique either way.
He uses that technique to travel quite far distances, at least combat wise, as seen in Sabaody... The fact that he can move fast in close combat is possibly due to Soru, which he must have by default given his rank in the Marine.
The technique is not useless... Why would it be useless if he can travel at lightspeed while doing it, really, he just appears like a flash infront of people when he uses that technique.
That "nonsense" was a respond to the pirates saying "aokiji is dead" not the haki statement. It would be stupid in the first place for WB, attacking without haki in a fight with a logia. He knows that his attacks /df-attacks won´t do anything to Aokiji.
Most likely all of them used a shield because it was an aoe attack and only one couldnt cover the whole space and they did it without any sign of strain.
Imo it is useless, because you can see where the ray is bouncing of the wall and predict where he appears, against fodder like Apoo it worked due to the surpise but that won´t work on a high tier. If the ray would really travel at lightspeed THAT would be impressive, but first he has to "slowly" create a path which he can use to travel fast. I think that is a compromise from Oda, because if he could use lightspeed in an actual battle then he would be to powerful.
That "nonsense" was a respond to the pirates saying "aokiji is dead" not the haki statement. It would be stupid in the first place for WB, attacking without haki in a fight with a logia. He knows that his attacks /df-attacks won´t do anything to Aokiji.
Still, Aokiji wasn't hurt at all by WB, and the fact he didn't use any Haki in Marine Fort makes my point even more valid... Nonetheless, look at what Marco said when he got stabbed.
It was CLEARLY visible he wasn't on his peak anymore, and that he was actually quite weak and sick. Im not implying that White Beard doesn't posses Haki, but its more plausible it didn't use Haki because he was too sick and weak... Again, you're just making assumptions, it's understandable a guy like WB had Haki and all that, but facts shows otherwise.
And you're wrong... his DF was harming Akainu greatly when he fought him, again he didn't showed Haki, ever...
Most likely all of them used a shield because it was an aoe attack and only one couldnt cover the whole space and they did it without any sign of strain.
We don't know... you can't assume he would be able to handle such attack by himself if Akainu was getting hard rocked when fighting WB. However, it's a logical approach of yours. Why are we arguing this again?
Imo it is useless, because you can see where the ray is bouncing of the wall and predict where he appears, against fodder like Apoo it worked due to the surpise but that won´t work on a high tier.
It doesn't matter if you know where he's going to appear, you just CAN'T react to lightspeed. That FAR too fast for anyone to act. It takes time to do such technique but once it's done, it's kind of flawless.
I think that is a compromise from Oda, because if he could use lightspeed in an actual battle then he would be to powerful.
Probably, but this doesn't debunk anything i've said.
@ghostravage said:
That "nonsense" was a respond to the pirates saying "aokiji is dead" not the haki statement. It would be stupid in the first place for WB, attacking without haki in a fight with a logia. He knows that his attacks /df-attacks won´t do anything to Aokiji.
Still, Aokiji wasn't hurt at all by WB, and the fact he didn't use any Haki in Marine Fort makes my point even more valid... Nonetheless, look at what Marco said when he got stabbed.
It was CLEARLY visible he wasn't on his peak anymore, and that he was actually quite weak and sick. Im not implying that White Beard doesn't posses Haki, but its more plausible it didn't use Haki because he was too sick and weak... Again, you're just making assumptions, it's understandable a guy like WB had Haki and all that, but facts shows otherwise.
And you're wrong... his DF was harming Akainu greatly when he fought him, again he didn't showed Haki, ever...
Most likely all of them used a shield because it was an aoe attack and only one couldnt cover the whole space and they did it without any sign of strain.
We don't know... you can't assume he would be able to handle such attack by himself if Akainu was getting hard rocked when fighting WB. However, it's a logical approach of yours. Why are we arguing this again?
Imo it is useless, because you can see where the ray is bouncing of the wall and predict where he appears, against fodder like Apoo it worked due to the surpise but that won´t work on a high tier.
It doesn't matter if you know where he's going to appear, you just CAN'T react to lightspeed. That FAR too fast for anyone to act. It takes time to do such technique but once it's done, it's kind of flawless.
I think that is a compromise from Oda, because if he could use lightspeed in an actual battle then he would be to powerful.
Probably, but this doesn't debunk anything i've said.
But what does the haki usage have to do with his health status? Clearly he wasn´t at 100% but you are making assumption as well, he could have used haki or charged his weapon with an earthquake. We can´t be 100% sure but with the statement from the pirates standing around, for me it makes much more sense that he used haki to stab Aokiji and he simply reformd around the attack, which should be no problem for a Logia. It is also possible that Aokijis Busoshoku was at that moment stronger than WBs so he couldn´t get through his elemental-"intang" and attack Aokijis pyhsical body, like Marco/Vista couldn´t hurt Akainu with their haki imbued attacks.
Such an attack wouldn´t have hurt them, they tried to protect the platform not themself. Honestly i don´t know why we arguing that ^^ xD
yes but that is my point, he doesn´t move at lightspeed
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sec 11, kizaru reappeared and even in slomo appo is still moving during the attack, if that was truly lightspeed he would have been kicked by kizaru without doing anything because the timeframe would be way too short.
edit: this site sucks @mobile, is this only the case for apple devices? i cant reply, can´t post videos, callouts don´t work.....
But what does the haki usage have to do with his health status? Clearly he wasn´t at 100% but you are making assumption as well, he could have used haki or charged his weapon with an earthquake.
If you're weak, you shouldn't be able to use your Armament of Colors at max, you get tired and it becomes weaker. Why am i making an assumption if he didn't show Haki in the first place, not even once... This is going in circles with no reason, you have no base whatsoever to claim he was using Haki, Jozu on the other hand has on-panel proof to be able to harm logias.
He didn't had the Halberd charged with the Gura power either... This is how it looks...
Totally different to how it looked when he "pierced" Aokiji.
yes but that is my point, he doesn´t move at lightspeed
sec 11, kizaru reappeared and even in slomo appo is still moving during the attack, if that was truly lightspeed he would have been kicked by kizaru without doing anything because the timeframe would be way too short.
So you're just ignoring the very LARGE portion of field he just managed to skip in a flash reappearing right next to Appo? C'mon man, i don't know how can i put it more simple. Not to mention, he moved so fast afterwards, that X Drake was still looking at the spot where he hit Appo when Kizaru had his foot right infront of his face...
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Really man, it's visible how he is shining again, and literally disappears as a flash. How can you keep ignoring this?
edit: this site sucks @mobile, is this only the case for apple devices? i cant reply, can´t post videos, callouts don´t work.....
I really don't know mate.
for me it makes much more sense that he used haki to stab Aokiji and he simply reformd around the attack, which should be no problem for a Logia.
It doesn't matter if it makes more sense to you or not, facts are showing otherwise mate, you can't argue with assumptions. Not to mention, this is a flawed logic, Shanks appeared to put an end to the War (<3 Shanks) and he stopped Akainu's attack without trouble at all, it worked literally as a wall, and judging how he did it, he could stab him the same way, you know, the same way White Beard didn't do it. He didn't use Haki, there's so much proof to prove it.
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It is also possible that Aokijis Busoshoku was at that moment stronger than WBs so he couldn´t get through his elemental-"intang" and attack Aokijis pyhsical body, like Marco/Vista couldn´t hurt Akainu with their haki imbued attacks.
How that even makes sense? How is Armament of Colors helping the intangibility of Logias? WB didn't use Haki, plain and simple. That's a reaching argument to be honest.
@ghostravage said:
if he wasnt using haki then comment from the pirates would make no sense, i don´t believe that WB is so stupid and just attacking a Logia with a useless stab. He used it against Akainu so why not here.
I didn´t say he is slow, but he doesn´t move at lightspeed, in your video you see the reaction from drake how he is surprised that kizaru vanished, if kizaru was truly moving at lightspeed then in the moment he disappeared he would have kicked Drake and we wouldn´t even have seen drakes reaction.
Because there has to be an explanation why Akainu didn´t get hurt by Marco/Vista haki imbued attack, so most likely his Busoshoku is stronger than theirs.
and who said that he wasn´t using haki? hes fighting a logia and is capable of using haki so he most likely did use it. When did he use Gyjojin Karate against Logia Ace?
Jinbe hasn't shown Haki, not even once. Again, that's just an assumption, and judging by how he described the way he hurts Luffy, its more likely he doesn't use Haki. Harming Luffy with Haki it's as easy as harming Logias with Haki.
Just to let you know... Haki is something REALLY rare. You need to awake it, and not everybody does, citing Rayleigh actually.
Fishman Karate against a Logia doesnt make much sense in the first place because there is no water to exploit if they are in their elemental forms and without haki you cant bypass their elemental "intang".
Crocodile bled when he was hit by Jozu, that means he has water. Same as Aokiji... They have a normal body, the fact they are impervious to normal physical attacks overall is something else.
then travel it with highspeed. The lightpath is easy to follow so you can estimate the place of arrival, Apoo was caught by surprise while running away (not saying he could react to it if he followed the path
So you conceded on the fact he actually moves at such speed, now we're arguing if Kizaru's techinque is useful or not. I can fairly say he only used it to make contact with foes that were significantly far. In close combat he prefers to use a light sword, and use kicks.
If he was quite far from his foe, the technique would be as useful as it is supposed to be.
Then why couldn´t they hurt Akainu with their Haki-attacks?.
It harmed him, he actually ranted about Haki users. But the fact it didn't affect him that much was because their Haki was too weak. Probably was that given the fact they were all beaten up.
That being said, i hope you know there are levels of Haki, if people is too strong with their devil fruit, you need a stronger Haki to counter it... It's not simply by having Haki awakened... You still need to train it.
Here Smoker tells Tashigi her Haki is still too weak to face Law's Devil Fruit, who happens to be so damn skilled with it he became Sichibukai, raised his bounty over 450,000,000 Berri and was soloing Smoker's crew like nothing. Let alone his island sized feats in Dressrosa story arc.
We also have Law facing Vergo, who happened to have one of the strongest Armament of Colors ever seen in OP, he even got the nickname of "Demon Bamboo" because of his Armament of Colors, that turned a bamboo stick into a overpowered weapon.
His Haki is so powerful he can turn his whole body into something harder than iron, with DF neutralizing attributes. On top of that, he was strong enough to be protected to Law's Room. Nuff said.
However, Law trained WAY too much with his DF that he actually ended up owning him without much trouble after he recovered his heart.
Really, he even cut through the whole building.
In conclusion, you can train both your Haki and your DF. If the DF is WAY too strong for the Haki, it will overpower it, and viceversa.
@ghostravage said:
and who said that he wasn´t using haki? hes fighting a logia and is capable of using haki so he most likely did use it. When did he use Gyjojin Karate against Logia Ace?
Jinbe hasn't shown Haki, not even once. Again, that's just an assumption, and judging by how he described the way he hurts Luffy, its more likely he doesn't use Haki. Harming Luffy with Haki it's as easy as harming Logias with Haki.
Just to let you know... Haki is something REALLY rare. You need to awake it, and not everybody does, citing Rayleigh actually.
Fishman Karate against a Logia doesnt make much sense in the first place because there is no water to exploit if they are in their elemental forms and without haki you cant bypass their elemental "intang".
Crocodile bled when he was hit by Jozu, that means he has water. Same as Aokiji... They have a normal body, the fact they are impervious to normal physical attacks overall is something else.
then travel it with highspeed. The lightpath is easy to follow so you can estimate the place of arrival, Apoo was caught by surprise while running away (not saying he could react to it if he followed the path
So you conceded on the fact he actually moves at such speed, now we're arguing if Kizaru's techinque is useful or not. I can fairly say he only used it to make contact with foes that were significantly far. In close combat he prefers to use a light sword, and use kicks.
If he was quite far from his foe, the technique would be as useful as it is supposed to be.
Then why couldn´t they hurt Akainu with their Haki-attacks?.
It harmed him, he actually ranted about Haki users. But the fact it didn't affect him that much was because their Haki were too weak. Probably was that given the fact they were all beaten up.
That being said, i hope you know there are levels of Haki, if people is too strong with their devil fruit, you need a stronger Haki to counter it... It's not simply by having Haki awakened... You still need to train it.
Here Smoker tells Tashigi her Haki is still too weak to face Law's Devil Fruit, who happens to be so damn skilled with it he became Sichibukai, raised his bounty over 450,000,000 Berri and was soloing Smoker's crew like nothing. Let alone his island sized feats in Dressrosa story arc.
We also have Law facing Vergo, who happened to have one of the strongest Armament of Colors ever seen in OP, he even got the nickname of "Demon Bamboo" because of his Armament of Colors, that turned a bamboo stick into a overpowered weapon.
His Haki is so powerful he can turn his whole body into something harder than iron, with DF neutralizing attributes. On top of that, he was strong enough to be protected to Law's Room. Nuff said.
However, Law trained WAY too much with his DF that he actually ended up owning him without much trouble after he recovered his heart.
Really, he even cut through the whole building.
In conclusion, you can train both your Haki and your DF. If the DF is WAY too strong for the Haki, it will overpower it, and viceversa.
i was talking about law using haki against smoker, sorry.
Crocodile bleed because Jozu was using haki, so he bypassed the Logias elemental form and hit Crocs physical body. If Jimbei would use his Fishman Karate e.g. against Croc without utilizing Haki nothing would happen, because he would only hit Crocs sandform and there is no water to exploit. The same with all other logia, in there elemental form there is no water Jimbei could exploit for his technique.
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