So quick question guys... What happens when you have someone who regenerates very rapidly fight against Omega Red? Do his death pheromones cancel out the regeneration? Or if he can control the amount of pheremones he releases, could he just flood the area and effectively shut down his foe, who's body would be forced to either stop everything and regen or die...?
And Lizard is agile enough to keep pace with Spidey, as well as having the needed reflex/reaction times to keep up too...the only person I know of (and this could just be me not reading enough) that Red has faced with close agility/speed feats is Wolverine (who Spidey still trumps, even if it is by a small margin)...
While that may be true, it still doesn't counter the fact that Red can easily withstand Lizard's physical might, as well as stabbing/slashing attacks...Where-as Lizard is not immune to Omega Red's life drain via grip.
" @k4tzm4n: But strength alone is not the only point. He would use his strength to jump on Red and bite Red's head off. Biting off someone's head is not a stabbing or slashing attack. Withstanding formidable physical might will not help you when your head is bitten off. Red's life drain effects would only affect Lizard after an hour or so.
@Goenitz said:
" Edamame: I agree with you, What about Lizard vs Sabretooth who wins ? "
I think there is a thread for that. I think that Adamantium Sabretooth would make it almost a stalemate. "
IMHO it would be far from that simple. What is stopping Red from constricting Lizard in his coils as he attemps to do so? And no, I'm not talking about breathing in the life drain, but instead OR applying it through physical contact, such as he's done against Colossus.
" @k4tzm4n: But strength alone is not the only point. He would use his strength to jump on Red and bite Red's head off. Biting off someone's head is not a stabbing or slashing attack. Withstanding formidable physical might will not help you when your head is bitten off. Red's life drain effects would only affect Lizard after an hour or so.
@Goenitz said:
" Edamame: I agree with you, What about Lizard vs Sabretooth who wins ? "
I think there is a thread for that. I think that Adamantium Sabretooth would make it almost a stalemate. "
IMHO it would be far from that simple. What is stopping Red from constricting Lizard in his coils as he attemps to do so? And no, I'm not talking about breathing in the life drain, but instead OR applying it through physical contact, such as he's done against Colossus. "
Lizard could avoid Red's tentacles and coils because he is faster and more agile than Red. Biting off someone's head won't take that long, especially coming from a character like Lizard. "
Lizard has never displayed any good dodging feats, he's only fast. Omega Red regularly faces Wolverine, who Spider-Man has admitted was shockingly fast and has far more dodging feats than Connors.
" @k4tzm4n: But strength alone is not the only point. He would use his strength to jump on Red and bite Red's head off. Biting off someone's head is not a stabbing or slashing attack. Withstanding formidable physical might will not help you when your head is bitten off. Red's life drain effects would only affect Lizard after an hour or so.
@Goenitz said:
" Edamame: I agree with you, What about Lizard vs Sabretooth who wins ? "
I think there is a thread for that. I think that Adamantium Sabretooth would make it almost a stalemate. "
IMHO it would be far from that simple. What is stopping Red from constricting Lizard in his coils as he attemps to do so? And no, I'm not talking about breathing in the life drain, but instead OR applying it through physical contact, such as he's done against Colossus. "
Lizard could avoid Red's tentacles and coils because he is faster and more agile than Red. Biting off someone's head won't take that long, especially coming from a character like Lizard. "
Lizard has never displayed any good dodging feats, he's only fast. Omega Red regularly faces Wolverine, who Spider-Man has admitted was shockingly fast and has far more dodging feats than Connors. "
What instances show that Lizard lacks any good dodging feats, may I ask? "
"omega red should win here, he is a better tactician as well as a combatant and lizard has no means of defending himself against the death pheromones "
" @k4tzm4n: But strength alone is not the only point. He would use his strength to jump on Red and bite Red's head off. Biting off someone's head is not a stabbing or slashing attack. Withstanding formidable physical might will not help you when your head is bitten off. Red's life drain effects would only affect Lizard after an hour or so.
@Goenitz
said:
" Edamame: I agree with you, What about Lizard vs Sabretooth who wins ? "
I think there is a thread for that. I think that Adamantium Sabretooth would make it almost a stalemate. "
IMHO it would be far from that simple. What is stopping Red from constricting Lizard in his coils as he attemps to do so? And no, I'm not talking about breathing in the life drain, but instead OR applying it through physical contact, such as he's done against Colossus. "
Lizard could avoid Red's tentacles and coils because he is faster and more agile than Red. Biting off someone's head won't take that long, especially coming from a character like Lizard. "
Lizard has never displayed any good dodging feats, he's only fast. Omega Red regularly faces Wolverine, who Spider-Man has admitted was shockingly fast and has far more dodging feats than Connors. "
What instances show that Lizard lacks any good dodging feats, may I ask? "
What instances show he has any dodging feats? "
I'd have to read those old comics again, but I remember Lizard being pretty agile. I mean, contending with Spider-Man, after all. "
There is a difference between speed and agility ;)
"[Lizard's] speed, agility, and reflexes are equal to Spider-Man" (Comicvine.com). Couldn't Spider-Man, and therefore Lizard, outmaneuver Red's tentacles and coils? But I guess since you said that Wolverine couldn't, then maybe Spider-Man can't.
It's written that Lizard has agility equal to Spider-Man, but my point is he's never displayed such, especially given his combat style. Wolverine has dodged the coils before, but when you need to fight OR close range, he will get you in his grasp, as he's done to Wolverine and Colossus so many times in the past.
"[Lizard's] speed, agility, and reflexes are equal to Spider-Man" (Comicvine.com). Couldn't Spider-Man, and therefore Lizard, outmaneuver Red's tentacles and coils? But I guess since you said that Wolverine couldn't, then maybe Spider-Man can't.
It's written that Lizard has agility equal to Spider-Man, but my point is he's never displayed such, especially given his combat style. Wolverine has dodged the coils before, but when you need to fight OR close range, he will get you in his grasp, as he's done to Wolverine and Colossus so many times in the past.
" @k4tzm4n: LOL. Double post. So if Lizard jumps on Red and tries to bite Red's head off, you are saying that Red would quickly grasp him before he bites? I guess that's correct. "
Whoops, the comp I'm on is acting up a bit...
Yeah, I think more often than not, Omega Red would counter by gripping his face (as Spider-Man has done so many times before) or even wrap his coils around Lizard as he attempts to do so. OR simply has too many advantages which counter Lizard's few advantages.
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