#1 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

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Justice League

Conditions:

Kenshiro has Zoom's powers, silver-age Black Adam's Strength, and Wolverine's healing factor Who wins ?

No prep

JLA has everyone in this picture(You can use pre-new 52 feats as well)

Everyone is in character. Who wins ?

#2 Posted by terry2012 (4752 posts) - - Show Bio

JLA wins.

#3 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

75% sure Ken wins this

OK after thinking this through, we all remember the mayhem Zoom caused, and he can solo the DC trinity, while he is just a below peak human + those powers.

Most importantly first, all are IC here, and no prep was given so people like CY and Bruce can't cook up some plot device.

speed: he could block flashes serious punches with one hand, and still hold on to a hostage in the other, and that was ofcourse after K-Oing Jay Garrik(grandad flash, lol), and tripping flash, and even when Wally ABSORBED THE SPEED OF 2 OTHER SPEEDSTERS Zoom was still a blur to him.

now imagine those powers added to someone like Ken(assuming this is Ken at his strongest state as well). multiply the speed Zoom can reach with his time manipulation with the speed Ken can reach(instead of the normal human speed of zoom). remember that his powers are time manipulation.

Strength: here is Zoom toying with some Justice league members:

oh, did I mention Zoom beat DC's Karate Kid(the master of Plot devices) and his team The Freedom Fighters easily^

Zoom could increase his punch's power many times more than superman( for people who are wondering what's raising speed got to do with his strength it's Newton second law), also him punching wonder woman to china and back was funny(Tennis, lol).

Now let's multiply Ken's strengh with SA BA level(faught SA SUPE and SA CM at the same time pretty well), and add the power to multiply that the same way Zoom did to himself, and I repeat again, Zoom's prime strength is a bit less than peak human.

now the reason, I put 75% is because either Fate and Zatana(10 for each might pull some magic tricks while Marvelous Zoomshiro is busy Pummuling the rest, but that's about it.

#4 Posted by ComicStooge (9678 posts) - - Show Bio

This makes no sense. You're giving a character powers he has no experience or feats with?

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#5 Posted by dondave (26691 posts) - - Show Bio

This makes no sense. You're giving a character powers he has no experience or feats with?

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#6 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@ComicStooge: This isn't the first pretend/speculation battle on comicvine, smartass. They are everywhere, like the one yesterday with the Joker in carnage symbiote. the other that quoted you is an idiot. If you're not gonna say anything on topic then I please request that you don't spam my threads again.

#7 Posted by dondave (26691 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls:Does he have knowledge of Zoom's powers?

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#8 Edited by terry2012 (4752 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls: Your thinking of Hunter Zolomon Zoom. The Op never said which zoom powers he gave him. The feats you posted was Hunter Zolomon Zoom and not Eobard Thawne Zoom.

#9 Posted by Pwok21 (2111 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012:

No. This is Hunter Zolomon Zoom, Eobard is 'Professor' Zoom.

There is a major difference.

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Time Stop plus Hokotu Shinken makes this a walk in the park for old Kenny Boy here.

#10 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pwok21: Don't forget Black Adam's strenth. SA Superman and SA Captain America needed to team up to beat him with great difficulty. SA superman alone famously sneases galaxies.

#11 Edited by ComicStooge (9678 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls said:

@ComicStooge: This isn't the first pretend/speculation battle on comicvine, smartass. They are everywhere, like the one yesterday with the Joker in carnage symbiote. the other that quoted you is an idiot. If you're not gonna say anything on topic then I please request that you don't spam my threads again.

Relax, dude, no need to get so pissed about it. Just because they are lots of them doesn't mean they're allowed either.

Look, there's even a rule on it:

Giving Characters Certain 'buffs' or Removing Powers

I generally don't have a problem with this, as long as it's not overdone. Things like upgrading certain characters to a certain physical levels, or removing powers for two opponents to gauge hand-to-hand skills is fine as long as the fight is fair in the process. However, giving people like Hulk the Power Cosmic or people like Nightwing a Green Lantern ring is unacceptable because neither character has displayed the skill and/or competence to use such weapons/items. That said, it would be difficult (and in most cases, nearly impossible) for people to debate. Threads of this nature will be locked if it becomes an issue.

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#12 Posted by Killer_of_trolls (1852 posts) - - Show Bio

@ComicStooge: Sue me, party pooper. It says if it becomes an issue, these types of threads are made for fun, there was no need for your complaints in the first place. All we do here is pure speculation in the first place, cause only the writer holds these kind of answers. We just organize it with rules like PIS or bloodlust, and try to give the closest probable outcome, but in the end it's still good guesses in the form of literary analysis.

#13 Posted by ComicStooge (9678 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls said:

@ComicStooge: Sue me, party pooper. It says if it becomes an issue, these types of threads are made for fun, there was no need for your complaints in the first place. All we do here is pure speculation in the first place, cause only the writer holds these kind of answers. We just organize it with rules like PIS or bloodlust, and try to give the closest probable outcome, but in the end it's still good guesses in the form of literary analysis.

Well no, we don't purely speculate. Because you see, there are these things called feats and they're examples of a character's power. We use these feats to determine whether one character beats another, usually. Kenshiro doesn't have any feats with any of these powers and the JLA has thousands of feats between them all.

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#14 Edited by Pwok21 (2111 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killer_of_trolls:

Black Adam's strength means nothing here as all Ken has to do is stop time and then touch everyones foreheads or backs.

Instant Death for all!

#15 Posted by terry2012 (4752 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pwok21: That exactly what I said to the person. I didn't say anything different. I know which one zoom is..... Please go back and read my post again. Where did I say they were the same? I said they were different. The Op never said which zoom is it.....And it still doesn't said it. It just said he have zoom powers. The Op was not specific which zoom they are using here. That is why I said what I said to them. You can clearly see it. Here is proof when I said they where different, "The Op never said which zoom powers he gave him. The feats you posted was Hunter Zolomon Zoom and not Eobard Thawne Zoom." You see, it is specific about the difference between the two of them.

#16 Posted by Pwok21 (2111 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012:

And if you'd actually read my post you would know that the specification IS in the fact that he is referred to as Zoom, and not Professor Zoom to which Eobard Thawne is referred to as.

It IS Hunter Zolomon, who is referred to purely as 'Zoom'.

#17 Posted by D3athstroke (3896 posts) - - Show Bio

Considering that Zoom had no super strength and his punches where still stronger than supermans

ANY IDIOT WITH ZOOMS POWER AND B.A. STRENGTH WILL CURBSTOMP JLA

#18 Posted by terry2012 (4752 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pwok21: I did read your post, and I know what he is referring to. So please again if you read my post again and you would see it. It is my first words that let you know that I knew what he is referring to. He did not say what Zoom powers he gave in the OP. It just says zoom's powers....which he was not specific about. Which why I say what I said. So you did not answer my question. Where did I say they were the same? I know it is Hunter Zolomon Zoom which I already said in my post. You can not say he is refer to zoom because there are three different ones like you said and I also had said. That is why when we say which zoom are you using when we us them on comicvine. Professor zoom is the second zoom and Hunter is the third zoom I think, because they are the reverse flash. The only difference is, it is three different people using the same powers and one is far greater the the other two. So you can not just say zoom's powers in the Op without stating which one you are using. Which is probably the reason why people are not commenting on this thread. You just can not say zoom and think that people would know what you are talking about because everyone don't think like that. They think different from others. That is why I brought it up and hinted at it so he could go back and edit and say which zoom he is using this battle. Otherwise by default it is assume that it is the regular one (first one) according to the rules if I read the rules correct. It said you have to be Specific about what character or characters you are using, unless they change the rules. Because sometime they do change the rules. Like Comic vs Mangas, I heard they that rules of couple of times.

#19 Posted by Pwok21 (2111 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012:

If you know which Zoom this is then you know what his powerset is. This is painfully simple.

#20 Posted by terry2012 (4752 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pwok21: Did you read my post and understand it? No, you obviously did not. My post was about that others who didn't know who zoom is or which zoom he is using. This is obviously to see and so simple to understand. There was no need for you to comment to my post, if you haven't understood it. You wasted your time commenting to my post whom I was talking to about for the others and not me. You should have stay out of it if you didn't know what I'm talking about or ask whom I was referring to. Because you assume I thought they were the same and clearly it is not the case. That why nobody is coming here posting anything.

#21 Posted by Pwok21 (2111 posts) - - Show Bio

@terry2012:

...I need to stop making posts on zero sleep.

I'm sorry for all the stupidity I have caused.

#22 Posted by terry2012 (4752 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pwok21: Forgiven and get some sleep.