#1 Posted by Namraw (38 posts) - - Show Bio

What's tougher and meaner between todays modern gangsters or the good old classic gangsters?

#2 Posted by The_Emerald_Soviet (116 posts) - - Show Bio

Define classic, do you mean like "Wild wild west" classic or "Prohibition era" classic?

#3 Posted by Namraw (38 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Emerald_Soviet: Godfather classic

#4 Posted by kcaz (1371 posts) - - Show Bio

what are modern gangsters? a bunch of homeys? or some mexican cholos?

#5 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2700 posts) - - Show Bio

There are no modern gangsters just street thugs pulling bulls$&@ liquor store robberies and selling drugs...not even close,,Murder INC. would eat these so called modern gangsters for breakfast

#6 Posted by Pokergeist (22329 posts) - - Show Bio

@Bane_of_sith said:

There are no modern gangsters just street thugs pulling bulls$&@ liquor store robberies and selling drugs...not even close,,Murder INC. would eat these so called modern gangsters for breakfast

This.

Modern Gangs are highly indiscipline, uneducated, and due to made up of 90% younger people more stupid.

Older Gangs were made up of intelligent people with a wide connection and loads of money to get what they want. Bribe Cops, Vehicles, Weapons, Bail Money, LAWYERS, etc.

Older Gangsters like Capone, Dillinger, and even Bonnie and Clyde have accomplish more and require a Government effort to be put down.

Modern Gangs are little Bands of warring factions for their little piece of turf. They are dealt with on a Local Police level.

#7 Posted by Journal (495 posts) - - Show Bio

What kind of thread is this? I'm real lost.

#8 Posted by IZZR (4251 posts) - - Show Bio

If we are talking actual confrontation...modern gangs take this easily, classic gangs were somewhat classy and conspicuous no where near as ruthless as modern day Mexican gangs.

#9 Posted by Pwok21 (2111 posts) - - Show Bio

Old Gangsters would curbstomp, seriously.

They have connections like crazy, and feats like having Mayors under their control.

People saying Old Gangsters weren't ruthless are silly; if anything they were more ruthless but sadistic with it too.

Not to mention they are suave and well dressed, the only thing Modern gangsters have going for them are modern weapons.

#10 Posted by IZZR (4251 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pwok21 said:

Old Gangsters would curbstomp, seriously.

They have connections like crazy, and feats like having Mayors under their control.

People saying Old Gangsters weren't ruthless are silly; if anything they were more ruthless but sadistic with it too.

Not to mention they are suave and well dressed, the only thing Modern gangsters have going for them are modern weapons.

Having connections means jack when you have 150,000 members in your gang who are willing to use granade launchers etc to win seriously we are not talking about who operated better, well dressed etc we are talking a full on confrontation and modern gangs would stomp.
#11 Posted by PlasticBag (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pwok21 said:

Old Gangsters would curbstomp, seriously.

They have connections like crazy, and feats like having Mayors under their control.

People saying Old Gangsters weren't ruthless are silly; if anything they were more ruthless but sadistic with it too.

Not to mention they are suave and well dressed, the only thing Modern gangsters have going for them are modern weapons.

#12 Posted by Pwok21 (2111 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR:

Actually if you bothered to read the OP you would notice that this isn't a confrontation.

This is about behaviour and how ruthless they can be, which Old Gangsters curbstomp.

Learn2read kthnxbai.

#13 Posted by WorldEater (198 posts) - - Show Bio

Modern Gangstas.

#14 Posted by chaos-soul (1435 posts) - - Show Bio

well im guessing the current Russian mob or triad or yakuza would take out the classic gangsters because they have more modern weapons.

alot of people believe "old school gangsters to be this top tier criminal organization but they really are not the time difference is the big factor and the "old school mobsters" dont have the man power or weapons to stand up to modern times.

alot of people also confuse street thugs with actual gangsters.

old school mobsters are far too glamorized. for time they were a force to be afraid of but in modern times they are the not.

#15 Posted by SoA (4592 posts) - - Show Bio

this would be a very entertaining deadliest warrior episode

#16 Posted by IZZR (4251 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pwok21 said:

@IZZR:

Actually if you bothered to read the OP you would notice that this isn't a confrontation.

This is about behaviour and how ruthless they can be, which Old Gangsters curbstomp.

Learn2read kthnxbai.

No way there is nothing that Classic gangsters did that modern gangsters do not do to an even grittier degree. Thanks for the sarcasm dipsh*t.
#17 Posted by AmazingScrewOnHead (693 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR: A bunch of untrained, uneducated youths or some real gangsters with real money and power who make history? Classic wins every time.

#18 Posted by AmazingScrewOnHead (693 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: I agree with you

#19 Posted by MasterJohn (2471 posts) - - Show Bio

What's the difference? They are all ghetto anyway.

#20 Posted by AmazingScrewOnHead (693 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos-soul: Sorry mate but weapons arent much of a factor , When Egypt attacked Israel they had the most modern weapons of the time while Israel had a pile of ww2 junk and they massacred egypt, Men win wars not guns. some of the older gangsters made history and the goverment had to clamp down to take them on. You dont here anything like that anymore, modern gangs are nothing.

#21 Posted by MasterJohn (2471 posts) - - Show Bio

@AmazingScrewOnHead said:

@chaos-soul: Sorry mate but weapons arent much of a factor , When Egypt attacked Israel they had the most modern weapons of the time while Israel had a pile of ww2 junk and they massacred egypt, Men win wars not guns. some of the older gangsters made history and the goverment had to clamp down to take them on. You dont here anything like that anymore, modern gangs are nothing.

They are ghetto, vicious, and dangerous.

#22 Posted by IZZR (4251 posts) - - Show Bio
@AmazingScrewOnHead said:

@IZZR: A bunch of untrained, uneducated youths or some real gangsters with real money and power who make history? Classic wins every time.

Sorry....uneducated?!!! LMAO!!!!!!! Do you really believe the classic gangsters were educated??? Oh lord.
#23 Posted by toby5678910 (340 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

@AmazingScrewOnHead said:

@IZZR: A bunch of untrained, uneducated youths or some real gangsters with real money and power who make history? Classic wins every time.

Sorry....uneducated?!!! LMAO!!!!!!! Do you really believe the classic gangsters were educated??? Oh lord.

+1 The 1930's suffered a rate of illiteracy that is 700% more the today.

#24 Posted by IZZR (4251 posts) - - Show Bio
@toby5678910 said:

@IZZR said:

@AmazingScrewOnHead said:

@IZZR: A bunch of untrained, uneducated youths or some real gangsters with real money and power who make history? Classic wins every time.

Sorry....uneducated?!!! LMAO!!!!!!! Do you really believe the classic gangsters were educated??? Oh lord.

+1 The 1930's suffered a rate of illiteracy that is 700% more the today.

Some people live in fantasy land where they buy everything they see in the movies lol and you are very correct btw.
#25 Edited by BlackWind (4027 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterJohn: Yeah, Italian mobsters are soooooo ghetto. You sound halfway like you're implying something.

Old School gangsters had style, intelligence and class. They could control entire towns. Modern gangsters are retarded teenage to young adults who are obsessed with their petty neighborhood corner.

In management and brains? Old School. In firepower and ruthlessness? New School.

#26 Posted by Pwok21 (2111 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

No way there is nothing that Classic gangsters did that modern gangsters do not do to an even grittier degree. Thanks for the sarcasm dipsh*t.

The body trails left behind suggest so; because the whole point is that they had the Police under their thumb to the point where they could do MUCH worse.

Also swearing is real intelligent there friend, almost scared me into not replying.

#27 Posted by Pokergeist (22329 posts) - - Show Bio

@chaos-soul: its funny but Yakuza, Russian Mob, and Ittalan Mob are all Classic Gangst that are still around and rule in parts of the world.

Crypts and Bloods are the biggest Modern Gangs in America and are just Thugs. Over 70% of Gangs are State wide at best and are Ethnic background with limited members.

So listing Classic Gang style (and case of Yakuza Classic lasting to modern) from the top Crime Organisations in the Modern World proves the point.

#28 Posted by ssejllenrad (12780 posts) - - Show Bio

First-off... This should be in the off-topic. Secondly, if by modern we include the Russian Mafia, then I would see it as a win for the modern ones. Yes the early days of Cosa Nostra's Commission days were strong. But they relied mostly on good leadership. When Costello (Luciano's successor) retired, the Five families only had one great leadership (Capo di tutti Capi) left in Carlo Gambino. After that, it all went downhill. Russian mafia, on the other hand, is like a hydra. Kill one, others come up. Take the Russians out and I see it as a win for the Mafia.

Another thing we need to put into consideration is the member count. Yes, Cosa Nostra was more organized. But The street gangs today outnumber the mafia in it's hayday at least 20 to one. That's a pretty damn huge margin. So if we just use the street gangs against the five families (plus Buffalo and Chicago Outfit), then, although I see it as a win for the older generation, would not be as easy as some might think.

Also, where do we categorize Triads and Yakuza? They seem to be both old-school and modern.

#29 Posted by ssejllenrad (12780 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@chaos-soul: its funny but Yakuza, Russian Mob, and Ittalan Mob are all Classic Gangst that are still around and rule in parts of the world.

Crypts and Bloods are the biggest Modern Gangs in America and are just Thugs. Over 70% of Gangs are State wide at best and are Ethnic background with limited members.

So listing Classic Gang style (and case of Yakuza Classic lasting to modern) from the top Crime Organisations in the Modern World proves the point.

How is Russian Mob considered modern when Crypts are even older than them? Yes the Thieves Guild pre-dated a lot of Street Gangs but the Russian "Mafia" only became an organized crime entity towards the end of the Cold War. Before that, it was just a prison gang.

#30 Posted by YoungJustice (6374 posts) - - Show Bio

I have been near my fair share of current "gangs", in all honesty. Most of them were punks, and thought that a gun made them god. Classic Gangsters stomp hard.

#31 Posted by RoyHarperBLOW (1491 posts) - - Show Bio

Classic ftw. Are there even groups as powerful as the mafia in america still they seem to be more like groups of gangs rather than powerful orginazations. But that's not true in other parts of the world though.

#32 Posted by ssejllenrad (12780 posts) - - Show Bio

@RoyHarperBLOW said:

Classic ftw. Are there even groups as powerful as the mafia in america still they seem to be more like groups of gangs rather than powerful orginazations. But that's not true in other parts of the world though.

Republicans and Democrats? Nyahahahahahaha!

#33 Posted by Pokergeist (22329 posts) - - Show Bio

@ssejllenrad: Crips ben around since 1971 and is still a Gang with Infighting and small turf wars with WAY LESSER gangs.

Russian Mob is a collection of Crime Syndicates from WW2 and betond. Its not something that sprout over night at the end of the Cold War. It has roots way before that guy.

#34 Posted by ssejllenrad (12780 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@ssejllenrad: Crips ben around since 1971 and is still a Gang with Infighting and small turf wars with WAY LESSER gangs.

Russian Mob is a collection of Crime Syndicates from WW2 and betond. Its not something that sprout over night at the end of the Cold War. It has roots way before that guy.

I know that. But it was never a powerhouse outside the prisons and not a "mob" until the fall of USSR. It wasn't the Russian Mafia back then. It was the Thieves Guild. It was "organized criminals" and not "organized crime". It was only given the chance to be syndicate due to the fall of Soviet and gained support from desperate former Soviet officials and all that. All I'm saying is it's modern. It's not a street gang. It's organized and resembles more the Cosa Nostra of Luciano but it's modern.

#35 Posted by Kellar21 (444 posts) - - Show Bio

Old-Time gangsters had the connections to put the Government itself against today's "Gangsta's" who for the most part are unorganized,keep warring to themselves and die of OD, rarely getting closer to the kind of Fortune/Political power of the great ones of the old days.

The ones that do are because they are much more cunning than the rest of them.

The criminal organizations that are powerful today,are the ones whose members have a sense of honor and loyalty(Triads,Russian Mob),the ones that people are citing above are thugs don't attain that much power because whn they grow they normally split up and star warring between them.

Old-Timers wins unless you put them against the powerful criminal organizations of today(Yakuza,The triads,russian mob)which operate almost under the same rules of Prohibiton-era mobs.