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#1 Posted by MrPhoenix (315 posts) - - Show Bio

Battle takes place in a deserted Asgard.

  • No prep
  • Morals off
  • blood lusted

#2 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5019 posts) - - Show Bio

Old King Thor

#3 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3286 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor

#4 Posted by Pyrogram (36580 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor I think

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#5 Posted by KingAres109 (1255 posts) - - Show Bio

Maestro Hulk looks like Kimbo Slice.LOL

#6 Posted by MrPhoenix (315 posts) - - Show Bio

@KingAres109: yeah kinda lol

#7 Posted by KingAres109 (1255 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrPhoenix: I was wondering if anyone thought the same.Lol

#8 Posted by SoA (4777 posts) - - Show Bio

i know thor fans are gonna hate me but, im going to say maestro ,for the fact that he took out a younger version of himself without being winded . old thor while badass looking , seems battle weary and weakened

#9 Posted by MrPhoenix (315 posts) - - Show Bio

@SoA: Maestro is extremely powerful but a blood lusted Thor is gonna a serious contender.

#10 Posted by e3zombie (720 posts) - - Show Bio

Who takes Thors arm? Diabetes?

#11 Posted by Agent_California (762 posts) - - Show Bio

@SoA said:

i know thor fans are gonna hate me but, im going to say maestro ,for the fact that he took out a younger version of himself without being winded . old thor while badass looking , seems battle weary and weakened

This Thor beat Hulk and Thing to death simultaneously without the odin-force if memory serves.

#12 Posted by MrPhoenix (315 posts) - - Show Bio

He did. I don't believe it was in the 616 time-line, but keeping in mind Maestro is more powerful than the Hulk.

#13 Posted by Agent_California (762 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrPhoenix said:

He did. I don't believe it was in the 616 time-line, but keeping in mind Maestro is more powerful than the Hulk.

I kind of wish they showed how he did it instead of making it an off-panel beating. I hate off-panel fights.

#14 Posted by GonnaRain (752 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor looks badass.

Going with Thor, he should be around Odin's level of power, or not? But anyways, still Thor.

#15 Posted by New_World_Order (13043 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably Thor.

#16 Posted by whydama (1093 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor wins. Old King Thor is Odin without the OdinForce.

#17 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2796 posts) - - Show Bio

Maestro FTW

#18 Posted by Ddecourt (803 posts) - - Show Bio

Old King Thor wins

#19 Posted by Saren (25617 posts) - - Show Bio

Old King Thor's only feat is getting beaten up by Gorr's Black Berserkers, as far as I know.

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#20 Posted by Ferro Vida (34678 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: Does looking badass count as a feat?

#21 Posted by nU_Kovak (127 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm assuming this is a beard off.

#22 Posted by TDK_1997 (14704 posts) - - Show Bio

Old King Thor wasn't that impressive against Gorr's minions,so I say Maestro.

#23 Posted by dondave (36580 posts) - - Show Bio

Old King Thor needs more feats, as of now; Maestro

#24 Posted by Z3RO180 (6458 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor

#25 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

@CitizenBane: Does looking badass count as a feat?

Yes.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#26 Posted by heroesgold (608 posts) - - Show Bio

Maestro.

#27 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Since we don't know anything about Old King Thor, we would have to go by powers. And since there was nothing about losing ability to summon lightnings Thor stomps by one lightning.

#28 Posted by The Dude. (902 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

Old King Thor's only feat is getting beaten up by Gorr's Black Berserkers, as far as I know.

What is the difference between old king thor and king thor? I've read the king thor storyline, which a younger king thor ended, so where and when does old king thor take place?

#29 Posted by Bo88gdan (4397 posts) - - Show Bio

@heroesgold said:

Maestro.

#30 Posted by XLR87T3 (2691 posts) - - Show Bio

Old King Thor should be able to dematerialize Mr. Maestro.

#31 Edited by GypRosetti (347 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk smash. This is an intelligent Hulk with years of gamma radiation absorption.

#32 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@GypRosetti said:

Hulk smash. This is an intelligent Hulk with years of gamma radiation absorption.

Lightning ends Maestro. 
 
@The Dude. said:

@CitizenBane said:

Old King Thor's only feat is getting beaten up by Gorr's Black Berserkers, as far as I know.

What is the difference between old king thor and king thor? I've read the king thor storyline, which a younger king thor ended, so where and when does old king thor take place?


We don't know who actually is Old King Thor. King Thor changed the past so they can't be the same person.
#33 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull:

@CitizenBane:

Simply looking at equipment he was sporting, the Odin Sword / Ragnarok, Mjolnir and what looks like the Destroyer's arm in place of his own - he's sporting a pretty hefty advantage in terms of weaponry and potentially strength with that one arm alone. That is assuming it's the Destroyer's arm to begin with, but I wouldn't know what else to call it.

#34 Posted by GypRosetti (347 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: Lightning ended an earlier Hulk. He's taken lightning since :

#35 Edited by TheAcidSkull (18029 posts) - - Show Bio

maestro wins.

Old Thor Has no feats at all, he was beaten by gorrs minions, and he wasn't as though as he should be.

Thor lightnings aren't going to do much, Hulk Takes this.

#36 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16746 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrPhoenix: no pic for old thor?

#37 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheAcidSkull said:

maestro wins.

Old Thor Has no feats at all, he was beaten by gorrs minions, and he wasn't as though as he should be.

Thor lightnings aren't going to do much, Hulk Takes this.

No, he gets stomped by lightning. You can actually show any feat You want - until it is a feat that shows that Hulk can take planet busting level storm on him - he gets stomed. Even Silver Surfer who was flying through stars was taken down by this thunders, they are magic in nature and they are more powerfull than normal ones. Hulk dies here. Thor doesn't even have throw his hammer on him...
 
@GypRosetti: Read above.
#38 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18029 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: we've been over this. and hulk will beat thor quite comfortably. i've posted many scans before, i'm not posting them again.

#39 Posted by Park (2976 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull: But it seems like Thor's always holding back on Hulk, and the one time his lightning did KO Hulk was when he was super pissed. I'm pretty sure he said later in the comic that he'd let his anger get the better of himself way to much in that fight and almost killed other people. Correct me if I'm wrong though I haven't read it in a while.

#40 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18029 posts) - - Show Bio

@Park said:

@TheAcidSkull: But it seems like Thor's always holding back on Hulk, and the one time his lightning did KO Hulk was when he was super pissed. I'm pretty sure he said later in the comic that he'd let his anger get the better of himself way to much in that fight and almost killed other people. Correct me if I'm wrong though I haven't read it in a while.

You are correct! :)

but that was only ONE time, and hulk has had awesome durability strength feats before/after that, his durability and strength increase with his anger, meaning that as the fight goes one he will be tougher to beat. Thor isn't the only one who holds back, in fact banner holds the hulk back too.

in this specific battle we have A featless thor vs a an amped hulk, i'm sure hulk could take thor ^__^

#41 Posted by Lvenger (19344 posts) - - Show Bio

I have to agree with @TheAcidSkull: here. A featless Thor vs a more powerful (as the feats go) version of the Hulk has an obvious outcome ie Maestro wins. Any other evidence that users make is supposition since we don't have anything to go on what Old Thor's limits are. If we get that then this fight might be closer.

#42 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18029 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lvenger said:

I have to agree with @TheAcidSkull: here. A featless Thor vs a more powerful (as the feats go) version of the Hulk has an obvious outcome ie Maestro wins. Any other evidence that users make is supposition since we don't have anything to go on what Old Thor's limits are. If we get that then this fight might be closer.

Exactly! the only feat thor has is getting beaten up by Gorrs minions ! :P

#43 Posted by Lvenger (19344 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheAcidSkull said:

@Lvenger said:

I have to agree with @TheAcidSkull: here. A featless Thor vs a more powerful (as the feats go) version of the Hulk has an obvious outcome ie Maestro wins. Any other evidence that users make is supposition since we don't have anything to go on what Old Thor's limits are. If we get that then this fight might be closer.

Exactly! the only feat thor has is getting beaten up by Gorrs minions ! :P

I think the reason people are amping him is because of the sword he has which someone posited to be the Odinsword as well as his mechanical arm which is claimed to be part of the Destroyer's. No idea where that's come from or the fact the strength of his lightning has not been measured yet.

#44 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18029 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lvenger said:

@TheAcidSkull said:

@Lvenger said:

I have to agree with @TheAcidSkull: here. A featless Thor vs a more powerful (as the feats go) version of the Hulk has an obvious outcome ie Maestro wins. Any other evidence that users make is supposition since we don't have anything to go on what Old Thor's limits are. If we get that then this fight might be closer.

Exactly! the only feat thor has is getting beaten up by Gorrs minions ! :P

I think the reason people are amping him is because of the sword he has which someone posited to be the Odinsword as well as his mechanical arm which is claimed to be part of the Destroyer's. No idea where that's come from or the fact the strength of his lightning has not been measured yet.

thats my point, we don't know exactly what the hell that is yet.

#45 Posted by BringnIt (3809 posts) - - Show Bio

The absence of feats for this version of Thor doesn't mean Maestro wins by default, it simply means this battle is not able to be debated for properly.

#46 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheAcidSkull said:

@Park said:

@TheAcidSkull: But it seems like Thor's always holding back on Hulk, and the one time his lightning did KO Hulk was when he was super pissed. I'm pretty sure he said later in the comic that he'd let his anger get the better of himself way to much in that fight and almost killed other people. Correct me if I'm wrong though I haven't read it in a while.

You are correct! :)

but that was only ONE time, and hulk has had awesome durability strength feats before/after that, his durability and strength increase with his anger, meaning that as the fight goes one he will be tougher to beat. Thor isn't the only one who holds back, in fact banner holds the hulk back too.

in this specific battle we have A featless thor vs a an amped hulk, i'm sure hulk could take thor ^__^

No he can't. Storm was able to take out Hulk in the past, Thor will do it easily. @TheAcidSkull said:

@czarny_samael666: we've been over this. and hulk will beat thor quite comfortably. i've posted many scans before, i'm not posting them again.

So You should already know that they don't change anything when we don't have to think what if, since we have clear prove what will happen if Thor will want to take out Hulk. There is no place for any debate about, until You want to debate against facts:
Thor winning with Hulk part 3
Thor stomps Hulk whenever he wants. Only reason for Thor not doing it all the time, is that Hulk isn't a real match for him, so Thor can just test his strength and durabiltiy, rather than fight for his life. Hulk is no where near Thor level people like Surfer, PG Drax or Firelord.
#47 Posted by TheAcidSkull (18029 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: No, he doesn't.

Thor is not the only one who has faced very powerful beings. hulk has defeated guys like galaxy master before. he can survive thors lighting.

he has gone through worse. and this scan was from long ago, and you forgot to mention that Hulk Ko'd thor in the very same issue.

just because it happened once, doesn't mean it's happen again. Hulk has gotten much more stronger and durable after that.

#48 Posted by monarch_prime (377 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor.

#49 Edited by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@TheAcidSkull said:

@czarny_samael666: No, he doesn't.

Thor is not the only one who has faced very powerful beings. hulk has defeated guys like galaxy master before. he can survive thors lighting.

he has gone through worse. and this scan was from long ago, and you forgot to mention that Hulk Ko'd thor in the very same issue.

just because it happened once, doesn't mean it's happen again. Hulk has gotten much more stronger and durable after that.

Galaxy Master was tricked. In the same way Demogorge was, but I wasn't bringing Demo here, since it would be irrelevant to the fight. So, no it isn't a prove that he can survive Thor's lightning. There is no point in proveing that he can, since he already didn't. 
Hulk didn't KO Thor in that issue - he buried him, it isn't KO. I don't recall a fight in which Hulk would KO Thor. 
 
Savage Hulk has better feats than any other Hulk besides Mindless Hulk and in - only in this - offensive stats only WB Hulk was able to do more. But in opposite to Savage Hulk, WB Hulk's durability isn't much better since he can be cutted through, while there are problems about it with Savage Hulk (we've had a debate about it too, but it seems that different versions of Hulk have also different durability in different areas, since WWHulk and WB Hulk were easily cutted trough and Savage Hulk has shown great durability to this kind of attack - I accept that). 
 
Also, You're assuming that Thor's thunders are normal, while people known for their resistance to great energy projection like Rulk (took Storm's lightning like nothing, similar thing can be said about Valkyrie), Surfer (flying trough star) or Drax (similar as Surfer) had problems or were defeated by Thor's thunders. Reason is simple - Thor's weather control is above normal people control over that. Few scans about it:
 
Thor taking Super Skrull by lightning

Thor taking Prime by lightning

Thor releasing Drax by lightning

Thor fighting with Atum part2

Now, do You want to tell me that normal thunder can hurt being that is living in heart of star and during the fight in that place? Or that person like Silver Surfer has lower durability than Maestro? I know that Prime isn't very known here, I barely have two-three comics with him, yet -  I accept that it isn't hard argument - I've heard that he is close to Hyperions. 
And another prove that Thor's lightnings can match planet level:
 
Here, another scans that confirms that his lightning are much more powerfull than normal ones:

Thor (possibly with Zephyr) knocking out Alter Ego from inside with thunder part 1

Thor (possibly with Zephyr) knocking out Alter Ego from inside with thunder part 2
As You can see above, when he lost himself his thunders are a threat to whole planets. Point of it is that he didn't even had to recharge, summon or in any other way amp his attack. He and Zephyr were just having sex and this made a dangerous action to whole planet. It confirms her words about similar situation on Earth.
Plus You have to remember that electricity is often much more effective since it firstly touches only a point on Your body, which made it much more deadly. 
 
To belive that Hulk wouldn't be taken out in attack like that, You would have to post Maestro taking planet level magic storm OR durability feats above Silver Surfer/Drax. Until this my point stands: Thor's lightning is greater than any other lightning. 
 
 I don't even understand any question about that. Do we talk about Tyrant vs. Beta Ray Bill? Or Annihilus vs. Quasar? Or Morg vs. Terrax? No because these fight were ended in clear win of of this side. Thor did it, but we still are talking about it and IDK why. 
#50 Posted by jashro44 (20815 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't read through the thread but mastero hulk was recently BFRd out of the avengers head quaters by a thunder clap from savage hulk in A+X #1. He isn't as powerful as 616 savage hulk.