How SBP can be universe level wtf??? And yeah would fight him in non physical form which means he cannot be hit.
Odin vs Superman Prime
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@isaac_clarke said:
@isaac_clarke said:@baron2011 said:1.the universe has been destroyed not erased the monitor said "in nix uotan's reconstituted fifty-first universe",the same universe that monarch and prime fought and destroyed2.prime can't be erased from existence he said it himself in LO3W and since you can't prove otherwise prime said the truth3.what don't you understand the phantom zone is not just some random dimension like this one from which thor escaped.in the phantom zone you can't use your physical strength,period.Is a dimension outside time and space where you can't die,can't eat,can't get older,where you live forever as a ghost and where i would say it again you can't use your physical strength.So thor could punch and throw his hammer as many times he wants,he wont escape from the phantom zone by physical strengthAgain, if a universe was destroyed, there would be nothing, instead there was still plenty and even a plant. I'm glad Prime's plot protection of becoming an anomaly would make the truckload of reality warping fictional characters unable to snap their fingers making him cease to exist, unable to do so because he said so. I'll keep that in mind when someone makes a Lucifer or LT vs Superman Prime thread. Thor didn't escape from a dimension, it was a pocket universe housing Alter Ego, he escaped using his fingers, Prime on his way to being trapped in the Phantom Zone beats on the glass till his hands are bleeding and escapes, that is all. Thor bro fisting with Hercules has closed Dimensional holes lol. He wouldn't need to beat his way out of the Phantom Zone based off his feats, he'd have multiple methods of escape with Mjolnir alone and clever use of his fingers.
@baron2011 said:There is nothing to understand, if the Universe was not there, there would be no planet, no light, no ocean, no nothing, despite any shielding the Monitor has up.why don't you understand that i just proved you that everything in universe 51 was destroyed?the monitors said that the universe was reconstructed and how would be reconstructed if every planet,star,galaxy wasn't destroyed from universe 51 first?the only thing that survived monarch blasts was prime,nix,a planet and a tree the last 2 being protected by nix shields and i just proved it with a scan.The planet isn't floating around in the void of non existence is because the universe was still there but everything in it was destroyed by monarch blast,the universe itself wasn't erased but everything in it was destroyed besides a planet and a tree. Time trapper didn't teleport prime from the blast,there is not indication/proof to say that.we saw on panel the universal blast blowing in primes face. yea thor can escape the phantom zone by teleportation(but it would prove anything about his physical strength by escaping it in this way) maybe but to do what prime did to a dimension that takes you away all your physical strength and that is escaping it with pure physical strength something not even SA superman or SA superboy could do it,i think prime proved he have probably infinite physical strength.
Destroying all the stars, planets and galaxies wouldn't destroy a universe, the Universe itself wold still be there, it's a luck of the draw that anything exists in our universe, it could have been empty and still a universe. Prime never tanked the blast.Bingo
The fact Prime ended up where he was is a direct indication of that, because you just don't happen to wind up in a completely different universe / alternate future because you got blown away, everything else in that universe would have followed suit.
Instead he ended up in a universe where a future incarnation of him that was tapped into his full potential as a resident of Earth Prime and was pulling all the strings together to play out events as he experienced them.
Nothing has infinite strength, that is nutty logic, he has plot strength like every other fiction brick, but thats about it.@isaac_clarke said:@Thor's hammmer said:half of Odin's sould was at risk of busting the Universe apparently. Odin has beaten characters who's power supports universes. Odin's fight with seth shook the entire multiverse.He is about to go at it with Galactus in Mighty Thor 4, so he probably will get some decent feats. Volstagg is apparently going to war with Broxton, GO VOLSTAGG!@isaac_clarke said:
@Boobster said:Yes, because Odin regularly snaps souls out of powerful enemies... Odin never busted a galaxy, period. Nor did Surtur. The galaxy was still there. No void. See, you talk about Prime not tanking universe buster because there was some tree or ocean protected by the shield, why do you speak about Odin busting galaxies when he didn't ? No void was there. Yeah, Odin vs Galactus, because Doom has never owned Odin with Galactus power. Good luck with that.Your confusing me pointing out what he can easily do, for him doing every single fight. Beware Odin's bear hug of doom:
Headache worthy argument, the planets being torn apart, the galaxy itself depicted with a light show as Odin remarks how said planets are being torn asunder by their fight and said galaxies will fall, they are fine.
So Surtur, when he was forging the Twilight Sword didn't destroy the galaxy?
So the core of the Galaxy explodes as Surtur forges the Twilight Sword, yet said ancient Galaxy was just fine without a galactic nuclei and tanked the explosion equally as fine? Hogwash.
There was more than an ocean, there was a sky, clouds, the works. The planet was fine outside being lifeless(of course minus the plant and the monitor) the difference being when I pointed out the lack of a void I was talking about if said universe was actually destroyed, there wouldn't be a !@#$ing planet, he would have no where to walk / float around on. In Infinity and Odin's case, they had all of space to fight in, even as Infinity was snacking on planets during the whole ordeal. The Marvel Universe, unlike the DBU, has hundreds of billions of galaxies, destroyed one or two won't make the entire universe cease to exist despite your own colorful way of comparing the destruction of a galaxy to the universe. He didn't even tank said big explosion, he got ported away by a alternate future incarnation of himself and his cloths blasted off by some ray guns from farmers.
Lance would argue that Doom still had the cosmic cube, but yes I agree, Odin should go down to Galactus. But again I find your trying to put words in my mouth and the like, while drawing your own ridiculous comparisons between galaxy busting and universe busting, based off Odin's high ends, even a description that he rivals him in power, he could go 10 rounds with him, you can dance around this and paint your own elaborate version of what I'm saying, but I'm sticking to my guns.
So exactly, in your own words, why does Prime win? Or are you just making it up as you go along?
@baron2011 said:lol at your hating your prime Monarch blast destroyed anything in universe 51 besides 1 planet and a tree and because those were protected by nix uotan's shields.you don't have proof that the blasts only killed all the life on the universe or that it was more in than universe besides 1 planet and a tree that were protected by nix when on the other hand even the monitor solomon said that the universe was reconstructed How can a universe vbe reconstructed if it wasn't destroyed first? Why can't you understand that the phantom zone is not a normal dimension?closing billions of normal dimensions/pocket universes means nothning comparing with SBP punching his way throw the phantom zone(a dimension that takes away all of your physical strength) with physical strengthHating at Prime for what exactly? He was written to be unlikable and hated by DC, that was his character and that is why he came off as a brat.And he is riddled with PIS in most of his showings, from absorbing the Guardian's explosion into him that somehow BFR's him into the multiverse and makes him uber muscular, to the nigh ridiculousness of kidnapping Mxy from the 5th dimension. Prove it was just the planet and the tree. Go ahead, prove it. And besides the point, if the planet is there, that means the universe is still there. The planet isn't floating around in the void of non existence, it exists, in said universe. Just like the fact it wasn't moved around in the Multiverse like your claiming the explosion did to Prime, rather than the truth of the matter of being ported away by the time trapper, why is that exactly? We can dance around this all day. There is nothing to understand, Prime broke out before even being trapped there and there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to prevent Thor from leaving it MUCH more easily than Prime did. The fact he was pounding away means it didn't take away "all his physical strength". Still waiting for that argument that has Prime beat down Odin. Bring it folks.
Where did Odin destroy a galaxy ? Care to notice what Odin is standing on with Seth ? Yeah, he destroys a galaxy but somehow a pile of rock he is standing on is there all the time ? Where is Surtur destroying a galaxy ? Don't you see the planets behind his hand ? Do you seriously think Odin stands a chance against Galactus ? LOL, that made my day.Again you seem confused.
I was referring to earlier scans involving Infinity vs Odin for the galaxy busting busting comment regarding my posts, although the fact there is any confusion still boggles the mind when I make a direct reference to it in my post.
As for why Seth and Odin can shake the multiverse in their fight and still have a rock to duke it out on, thats fiction, get over it. Plenty of depictions throughout fiction that have the rock characters are fighting on fine as Galactus and Mephisto have entire galaxies in disarray and threaten the Universe itself.
We wouldn't have a clue what the big circular objects are as it's not specified, unless those are the "a billion billion" worlds that are feeling the thundering sound of Surtur forging his sword.
Again your shoving words in my mouth when I said Odin would lose that fight, even if he does make it a fight. As Odin is probably one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, skyfather in fiction.
Well I'm glad I could make your day saying something I didn't say, seriously, your not trolling me now are you?
@baron2011 said:
The universe was still there but everything in it was destroyed besides a planet and a tree.I just said that above but it seems you can't read.Prove it, I'm glad you just said that above, because that is all I need to hear to prove your argument, you saying it's how it is.
The fact is that the TT teleported prime,after he tanked the explosion,in the future to fight the legions of heroes.Monarch blast didn't blow prime in a different universe / alternate future,he got there because the TT teleport him at the begining of LO3W long time after his fight with monarch
But after just a blast that takes away all the life in the universe you don't have what to reconstruct,Monarch blast was clearly more than just that We see a blast destroying everything in universe 51,we see nix saying that in this universe he is surrounded by ash and we see the monitor solomon saying that the universe 51 was reconstructed.The proof is here,universe 51,after monarch blast,was just a planet and a tree
So he teleported him after the explosion? Scans please. And a star so the Monitor could actually see whats on the planet and the plant itself to actually get that nice green color from photosynthesis.
Uh huh, Uh huh, Uh huh. Lot of words, lost of the entire universe being wiped out, not so much evidence outside vaguely putting out a scan mentioning reconstruction
@isaac_clarke said:
@CapitolPunishment said:Right, because Hulk is in SMP's league.I don't know if your playing dumb or just trolling, but here we go.
Right, because a plant and a peice of dirt remained protected by SMP's shielding so he did not destroy a Universe even thogught it is clearly drawn and written on panel. Read the story and stop with the non-sense. Post that Odin is a Galaxy buster and then rip your own post apart because he is not and even if he was he gets raped here.
First off his point was Odin can increase his strength, tremendously, as Zeus can, since Zeus literally wrecked the Hulk in a couple of punches when he got mad.
Even then Odin has one better on Zeus when he kicked Thor's ass in fear itself #1:
But yeah your completely right, it was just dirt and a plant. And Clouds. And an Ocean, oh that was Superboy Prime's shielding that protected the place? Oh boy I guess I have some reading to do *sigh*.
Face it, the planet was still there, the Universe was still there, otherwise said guy would have been in an empty void of nothing as there would be no universe. That and Prime was teleported by the Time Trapper to where he needed to be, otherwise Prime would also have been stuck in the same place. What his clothes wore torn up? That was the farmers that gunned him that damaged his clothing, not a non-existent "universe buster".
He did bust them against Infinity and Seth, Infinity basically running off his own Odinforce power.
After attempting to hijack Odin, he wakes up and owns Infinity:
Then undoes said damage, wipes everyone's memory, the works:
And in Fear Itself #2 and Journey into Mystery 623 or 624, he was using the Odinforce to warp reality.
He literally creates them a new star, planet and Asgard, even a jail to hold Thor in.
This wasn't even the same Asgard, this was one he made on the spot as a War Engine to fight the Serpent.It took Thor a week to create a replica of the original with the Odniforce, or in his case what amount of Odinforce he still had post Resurrection, Odin did a planet, star city all in moments. Thor never quite used the Odinforce to it's full potential as the All Father did regardless:
Odin is out of Prime's league, he's the !@#$ing All Father, who has feats that are absurd for his position in the universe, especially his fight with Seth. The guy can stop time, create souls, bodies, depower his son and wipe his memory, the works.He stomps, stop pretending otherwise.
odin never destroyed a galaxy,your assumption wasn't even stated in the comics let alone proved surtur didn't destroyed a galaxy by creating the twilight swordWhat the deuce?
How can the Galactic Nuclei(the core, they aren't talking about a !@#$ing Black Hole as one person suggested) of a galaxy "explode" and not result in the complete destruction of a galaxy?
@isaac_clarke: Nowhere Odin destroyed galaxy, nor in the fight with Infinity, nor in the fight with Seth. Galactus and Mephisto never destroyed a galaxy in the fight, there were still planets behind them, you keep talking about Prime not tanking a universe explosion because of what was shielded by monitor, yet you think Odin can bust galaxies while he never destroyed it. Fiction ? That is your arguement ? Meh, an indestructible rock would be even better than your pathetic excuse. Again, there were still those circular objects behind Surtur, user freefa11 already posted a scan of galaxy being completely destroyed, none of your scans show galaxy being destroyed completely, so stop low balling Prime's feat while making Odin's feat look that tough. Seriosly, I don't care about Odin being a powerful skyfather, you remember how helpless he was against Celestials ( despite him being ridiculously amped), Odin is nothing than a bug to Galan.Guess I was just imagining things, you would think such a massive explosion dead center of a galaxy in his fight with Infinity would put said Galaxy down, but I guess not as you say otherwise.
Odin can say whatever he wants about planets crumbling, oh that happened on panel, but yeah he can keep talking about galaxies falling, unless they actually fall no simply light show will convince clever folks like us righ? Wooo!
What? The start of the fight had complete chaos going on in multiple Galaxies:
It got to the point that if the fight went on the Universe would have been at risk, despite said fight taking place in Mephisto's realm.
It's why the Surfer essentially telepathicly begged Galactus to find another way to end their fight:
What the hell are you talking about involving planets behind them? Galactus and Mephisto weren't even fighting inside the universe but Mephisto's realm, there are no random floating planets there during that fight, just depictions of planets being destroyed in the normal universe.
Because he can't, because he was wisked away by an alternate future incarnation, because a horde of characters have actually caused him harm with their fists despite him being physically vastly superior. When he actually tanks one let me know, Odin on the other hand has been fighting fights that the fate of the universe depends on their outcomes for decades.
You again seem to be twisting and putting oh such lovable words down my mouth, I pointed out in fiction, the nigh ridiculous happens regularly, pulling out an example of Galactus and Mephisto duking it out on some rock and having entire galaxies getting rocked by their fight.
You really have some selective reading and a wild imagination don't you? I'm glad Freefa11 posted a scan of a galaxy being destroyed, but the problem is, Marvel doesn't have one guy drawing the art for every book, so depictions of fights, regardless of when they take place or how big they are, are going to be different. Prime didn't get a feat, Odin actually has feats that say he's going to kick Prime's rear, because the guy doesn't even need to have a physical body to fight him with.
Yes I remember Odin in the Destroyer / Odin sword / amped up on all of Asgard going up again multiple Celestials and going down,problem is Galactus most of the time isn't going to fair much better in the shame scenario as killing Celestials is nigh impossible.
Everyone is a bug to Galactus, even people like Abraxas are bugs to him, that doesn't mean much.
@isaac_clarke
said:@Boobster said:
Again you seem confused.Where did Odin destroy a galaxy ? Care to notice what Odin is standing on with Seth ? Yeah, he destroys a galaxy but somehow a pile of rock he is standing on is there all the time ? Where is Surtur destroying a galaxy ? Don't you see the planets behind his hand ? Do you seriously think Odin stands a chance against Galactus ? LOL, that made my day.
I was referring to earlier scans involving Infinity vs Odin for the galaxy busting busting comment regarding my posts, although the fact there is any confusion still boggles the mind when I make a direct reference to it in my post.
As for why Seth and Odin can shake the multiverse in their fight and still have a rock to duke it out on, thats fiction, get over it. Plenty of depictions throughout fiction that have the rock characters are fighting on fine as Galactus and Mephisto have entire galaxies in disarray and threaten the Universe itself.
We wouldn't have a clue what the big circular objects are as it's not specified, unless those are the "a billion billion" worlds that are feeling the thundering sound of Surtur forging his sword.
Again your shoving words in my mouth when I said Odin would lose that fight, even if he does make it a fight. As Odin is probably one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, skyfather in fiction.
Well I'm glad I could make your day saying something I didn't say, seriously, your not trolling me now are you?
@baron2011 said:Prove it, I'm glad you just said that above, because that is all I need to hear to prove your argument, you saying it's how it is.The universe was still there but everything in it was destroyed besides a planet and a tree.I just said that above but it seems you can't read.
The fact is that the TT teleported prime,after he tanked the explosion,in the future to fight the legions of heroes.Monarch blast didn't blow prime in a different universe / alternate future,he got there because the TT teleport him at the begining of LO3W long time after his fight with monarch
But after just a blast that takes away all the life in the universe you don't have what to reconstruct,Monarch blast was clearly more than just that We see a blast destroying everything in universe 51,we see nix saying that in this universe he is surrounded by ash and we see the monitor solomon saying that the universe 51 was reconstructed.The proof is here,universe 51,after monarch blast,was just a planet and a tree
So he teleported him after the explosion? Scans please. And a star so the Monitor could actually see whats on the planet and the plant itself to actually get that nice green color from photosynthesis.
Uh huh, Uh huh, Uh huh. Lot of words, lost of the entire universe being wiped out, not so much evidence outside vaguely putting out a scan mentioning reconstruction
i just proved it with scans:scans that shows the blast destroying anything inside universe 51,scans with the monitor saying that in universe 51 he is surrounded by ash,scans with another monitor saying that universe 51 was reconstructed.
What scans?
You've posted one scan:
Of this guy, who spends the first block complaining bout being shunned while in the Multiversal Nexus, Then mentioning the reconstituted universe, which doesn't carry your case home:
- re·con·sti·tute
- Build up again from parts; reconstruct
- Change the form and organization of (an institution)
- - he reconstituted his cabinet
- Restore (something dried, esp. food) to its original state by adding water to it
verb /rēˈkänstəˌt(y)o͞ot/ |
He was surrounded by water, sky, clouds, the works, not just ash.
Directly see the sun? No it looked like it was depicted as setting when the Monitor was strolling around, the best case for seeing it was a slightly brighter right panel with more yellow.i didn't see any star on the sky.Did you?The light could of been a side effect of monarch blast,or could have been nix the monitor who light up the planet.
this is the best you could come with to combat monitors words that were there?how could we have seen that exist hope in universe 51 if it would have been drawn in black? U mad bro because you can't prove anything?
Monarch's big light show explosion was brief, if it was still giving out light the entire scene would be covered in a blinding light, not to mention it was FTL to begin with.
I already proved plenty, there was a planet, there were plants, there was light, there was a universe. The burden of proof lies on you to prove it was completely hallowed out by Monarch's explosion or Superboy actually tanking it.
In size? The explosion covered the universe, but outside killing everything(almost a plant survived! Universe busting tanking plant, which would imply the blast was more like a neutron bomb then just a big destructive explosion) we aren't even made aware of it destroying the planet they where on.Isn't ironic than even if i just proved that monarch blast was a universal one by posting scans with the blast destroying anything in universe 51,scans with beings that were there saying that in the universe 51 is nothing but ashes besides a planet and the tree or that universe 51 was reconstructed,you still don't accept the feat,but on the other hand you post odin's blasts that didn't even destroyed anything on the battlefield not even a planet,a star, and claiming that those blasts bust galaxies and want us to belive he is a galaxy buster? go trolling somewere else
He didn't say the universe was nothing but ashes, that doesn't even make sense, under the same context of the sentence your using, the universe was filled with Wind, bravo.
Again so far the case for Prime is a joke and I'm the one being told to quit trolling. Hilarious indeed.
@isaac_clarke: And where do you see destruction there ? Those planets are just flying away, where is something destroyed ? Nowhere Odin destroyed a galaxy, the rock they were standing on wasn't even destroyed. Show me a proof he was wisked away. Why should I care about different artists, it's not that hard to draw a completely destroyed galaxy, I saw a galaxy completely destroyed, nowhere in your scans galaxy is completely destroyed. What, Galactus not starving would fare much better than Odin did. Yeah, keep saying that, because Abraxas shit his pants when 616 Galactus showed up.Stars were exploding as planets were literally being torn apart:
I could post larger scans, but I don't feel like digging through my gallery for them.
If your talking about his fight with Infinity, look harder, as the planet above Odin was being torn to pieces. I'm not even sure I know which instance your talking about at this point.
Show you? Just pull out some scans of Prime's return after the Monarch explosion.
When Monarch went boom, the Monitor or the planet wasn't flung through the multiverse.
The fact Prime seemingly comes out of the explosion with no damage to his clothes until the people that see him blast them off, namely why he remarks about them not being very nice, the works.
It's not about being hard, you brought up an example from another thread of how said particular artist chose to have said galaxy being destroyed on panel, ignoring that just because it looks that way on that panel, someone else's depiction of such an incredible event could look completely different. So again, there was a big light show that didn't have said galaxy remotely damaged despite Odin remarking how this fight will be making the planets crumble and the galaxies fall as it goes on, again essentially his own power? Cool. I like the argument better when people claimed that was just Odin talking and it never actually happened, that makes more sense than what your telling me.
@isaac_clarke:
As for the Odin busting a Galaxy feat you keep on referring to read the story, its Thor V1 184-188. The word "galaxy" was used one time, every other time they used the term "worlds". All the illustrations showed a few planets falling into darkness, confirmed by the scientists and Thor, the narrator of the story.. It was then later confirmed by Thor, who was the one narrating the story that planets were not actually being destroyed but covered in darkness, hidden from human eye etc. "infinity" the fake Infinity mind you was covering planets in a stygian darkness that gave the illusion of destruction, Thor later confirmed that nothing had been destroyed (scans provided below), all Odin did there was remove the darkness that his alter ego cast upon a few planets. How the f..k does that translate into being a "galaxy buster"? That comic is from 1971 mind you lol
Do you remember that famous story when thanos got the IG? it was published in the 80's long after those 3 Odin scans everyone spams in every Odin VS thread. That incarnation of Thanos to this day is considered to be one of the most powerful beings in history right? So let me ask you this, when he starting using the IG at %2 power, he easily defeated the council of god heads (including Odin) and many others, he then wiped out life in %25 of a single Galaxy and everyones jaws hit the floor, including Odins, they stated they have never seen such power, remember that? Multiple Galaxies>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life in %25 of a single Galaxy. Thanos with %2 control over the I.G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Council of God heads and lastly Odin. Make much sense at all to you????
Remember the third host of Celestials? Remember when Odin, Zeus and vinshu fired a combined god-blast? Remember when the Celestail simply deflected it? I'm not putting down the Celestials here but don't you think that there would have been some colateral damage, say the entire Milkyway Galaxy perhaps? I mean 3 "Galaxy busting attacks" that get deflected (not absorbed or transmuted) would do that right??? Sometimes you have to pull your head out of your arse and realize that some so called "feats" don'y make much sense and you should probably then do your homework.
I also think it’s hilarious that you keep dismissing a feat the was clearly outlined and shown on panel, confirmed many times. Whether it wiped out all the life in a Universe or completly destroyed it can be a dabate but it still happened SMP has survived a Universe busting attack, if you don't like the illustration or writing petition DC but its still a cannan feat, unlike Odin's so called "Galaxy busting". There only a few select beings with that power and Odin is not one of them
The thing that is even better is how you compare SMP to a regular Thor and Hulk then show scans of Odin and Zeus beating up on them. A regular Superman would make short work of either one, Prime is leagues above Superman and many leagues above a regular Thor or Hulk.
Thor can be a planet breaker, if Odin is what you say he (Galaxy buster) by your count he would be about 3 trillion times more powerful then Thor. I can’t see two characters with that much of a power difference having a grueling fist fight sorry.
Sorry, I don't have the time or even need to reply to the rest of your post it was just lol funny, you got me with that troll bro
@PunkMastaFlex
Dude, I just showed you the scan of later in that same comic arc when Thor pretty much retcon'd what he had said earlier, can you not understand that? or are you just going to
LALALALAL i CAN'T HEAR YOU!
As far as Superman vs thor goes there have been hundreds of debates about this, Superman normally wins but its close. SMP is many leagues above Superman and people in this thread are comparing SMP to normal Thor and Hulk, thats just absurd.
@isaac_clarke said:Clearly it did when the VERY FIRST THING you mention in your post is some nonsense about anyone bothering to type up a response for over 3 hours.@CapitolPunishment said:I love how you just spent the last 3 hours qouting what I said completly out of context without a single retot. Your entire post was a pile a garbage that addressed nothing I said.What? Three hours? Where the heck did you pull that number out from? At best 20 minutes tops, regardless of your opinion of my post I'm still waiting for that stunning argument as to why Prime wins, not pictures of monkeys and the like. I'll go back to playing on my PS3, doubt by the time I refresh the page I'll see a argument out of you. Feel free to insult me till then!Does not matter how long it took tbh. You did not address a single point I made what so ever. Breaking down incomplete parts of a sentence then posting what "you" think it means while avoiding the point of a paragraph and the whole post is just silly. If you want I can tear your post down word by word and give you the definition of each without addressing anything you say too, but that is just redundant and not debating.
Odin has never shown any ability to do anything that would remotely hurt Prime, showing scans of him beating up on Thor or comparing him to Zeus then saying Zeus beat down Hulk means absolutely nothing at all. Prime withstood a Universe destroying blast, it happened whether you like it or not. Odin fought his son a few times who is far below SMP, fought himself (infinity was his alter ego) just saying because you clearly haven’t read the story and just take 40 year old scans out of context and finally he got wrecked by Celestials twice. What solid “feats” does Odin actually have that would show he could put down Prime now that magic is out the window and so is the so called “Galaxy buster”?
I pointed out the whole argument of "Galaxy was mentioned once!" = Does it matter when it was mentioned in the actually part of the scan when these two were duking it out? Just like "All the illustrations" only planets, when we did see something a little more when they where again, actually fighting.
Pointing out there was some actual damage from the fight, rather than your notion that Infinity harmlessly went about his business even while fighting Odin. The nonsense of trying to play off random %, 2% of infinite power = doesn't infinite power or that 25% of galactic death that you insisted meant something? Pointing out that Godblasts have never been used as anything more than a blast, not to destroy galaxies or even planets, just to have a lot of power behind an energy attack that allows them to damage people out of their league generally. Pointing out I never compared Prime to Thor or the Hulk. You did the exact same with the other poster I quoted you from, you took what they said and jumbled it into a completely different argument.
There was only one sentence you could argue was actually broken, because I quoted "multiple" in the wrong quote, outside that your lying as all your sentences, at least the ones you actually bother to put a period on, are in their complete form.
Again prove that Odin can't hurt Prime, because so far it's based off nothing. Because me providing an example of Odin's ability to enhance his strength to the point he beats Thor down like a ragdoll is just that, not a comparison to Prime as you like to twist my post into saying.
Except the Universe wasn't destroyed: This is again an example of you telling a lie.
If the universe was destroyed, there wouldn't a planet, there wouldn't be light, it was commented as something that wiped out all life in the universe, the problem is EVEN THAT ISN'T TRUE.
And if said blast had knocked Prime around the DC Multiverse, then this planet would have followed, didn't happen now did it?
I'm glad Odin fought Classic Thor, should we start bringing up his absurd feats?
Infinity was running off the Odinforce and even the scans I posted (I could the entire thing, but thats a dozen or more scans than I'd like to) where he even mentions there can only be one Odin.
Cool, the Celestial would destroy Prime as he can't even damage them, so you bringing them up is about as pointless as could be in this thread.
Why is magic out the window? Because you said so? Under the very same moronic logic that you claim Prime can tank a Universe Buster, despite evidence speaking directly to that being Hogwash, Odin can shake the multiverse in his fight with Seth.
See when Monarch exploded, we didn't see the universe be destroyed, we saw a massive explosion, that is it. After we even seethe Universe is still there.
Now start posting some scans as for why Odin can't hurt Prime and how Prime WTFpwns Odin. Do it and STOP dancing around it, I've been asking for some legitimate showings for Prime for 4 pages, so far I've gotten nothing but, I repeat, hogwash.
@CapitolPunishment said:"The Quantum energy spilling from Monarch is an umparalleled destructive force..." "a chain reaction that does not stop with a city, nor a continent...." (please notice that judging from what is written, the Quantum energy spilling from Monarch is the chain reaction, and not merely the cause of a chain reaction) "...nor a planet" "it is a wave of hartred and horror, sprung from a mindless act of rage..." "and it wipes away everything that gave me meaning" "it's the cruelest irony that in this universe I alone survive"@isaac_clarke said:Clearly it did when the VERY FIRST THING you mention in your post is some nonsense about anyone bothering to type up a response for over 3 hours.@CapitolPunishment said:I love how you just spent the last 3 hours qouting what I said completly out of context without a single retot. Your entire post was a pile a garbage that addressed nothing I said.What? Three hours? Where the heck did you pull that number out from? At best 20 minutes tops, regardless of your opinion of my post I'm still waiting for that stunning argument as to why Prime wins, not pictures of monkeys and the like. I'll go back to playing on my PS3, doubt by the time I refresh the page I'll see a argument out of you. Feel free to insult me till then!Does not matter how long it took tbh. You did not address a single point I made what so ever. Breaking down incomplete parts of a sentence then posting what "you" think it means while avoiding the point of a paragraph and the whole post is just silly. If you want I can tear your post down word by word and give you the definition of each without addressing anything you say too, but that is just redundant and not debating.
Odin has never shown any ability to do anything that would remotely hurt Prime, showing scans of him beating up on Thor or comparing him to Zeus then saying Zeus beat down Hulk means absolutely nothing at all. Prime withstood a Universe destroying blast, it happened whether you like it or not. Odin fought his son a few times who is far below SMP, fought himself (infinity was his alter ego) just saying because you clearly haven’t read the story and just take 40 year old scans out of context and finally he got wrecked by Celestials twice. What solid “feats” does Odin actually have that would show he could put down Prime now that magic is out the window and so is the so called “Galaxy buster”?
I pointed out the whole argument of "Galaxy was mentioned once!" = Does it matter when it was mentioned in the actually part of the scan when these two were duking it out? Just like "All the illustrations" only planets, when we did see something a little more when they where again, actually fighting.
Pointing out there was some actual damage from the fight, rather than your notion that Infinity harmlessly went about his business even while fighting Odin. The nonsense of trying to play off random %, 2% of infinite power = doesn't infinite power or that 25% of galactic death that you insisted meant something? Pointing out that Godblasts have never been used as anything more than a blast, not to destroy galaxies or even planets, just to have a lot of power behind an energy attack that allows them to damage people out of their league generally. Pointing out I never compared Prime to Thor or the Hulk. You did the exact same with the other poster I quoted you from, you took what they said and jumbled it into a completely different argument.
There was only one sentence you could argue was actually broken, because I quoted "multiple" in the wrong quote, outside that your lying as all your sentences, at least the ones you actually bother to put a period on, are in their complete form.
Again prove that Odin can't hurt Prime, because so far it's based off nothing. Because me providing an example of Odin's ability to enhance his strength to the point he beats Thor down like a ragdoll is just that, not a comparison to Prime as you like to twist my post into saying.
Except the Universe wasn't destroyed: This is again an example of you telling a lie.
If the universe was destroyed, there wouldn't a planet, there wouldn't be light, it was commented as something that wiped out all life in the universe, the problem is EVEN THAT ISN'T TRUE.
And if said blast had knocked Prime around the DC Multiverse, then this planet would have followed, didn't happen now did it?
I'm glad Odin fought Classic Thor, should we start bringing up his absurd feats?
Infinity was running off the Odinforce and even the scans I posted (I could the entire thing, but thats a dozen or more scans than I'd like to) where he even mentions there can only be one Odin.
Cool, the Celestial would destroy Prime as he can't even damage them, so you bringing them up is about as pointless as could be in this thread.
Why is magic out the window? Because you said so? Under the very same moronic logic that you claim Prime can tank a Universe Buster, despite evidence speaking directly to that being Hogwash, Odin can shake the multiverse in his fight with Seth.
See when Monarch exploded, we didn't see the universe be destroyed, we saw a massive explosion, that is it. After we even seethe Universe is still there.
Now start posting some scans as for why Odin can't hurt Prime and how Prime WTFpwns Odin. Do it and STOP dancing around it, I've been asking for some legitimate showings for Prime for 4 pages, so far I've gotten nothing but, I repeat, hogwash.
So, the Monitor and what we saw surviving (due to a miracle or the Monitor's shields) are the only things left in that universe. Future comics didn't contraddict it, and as of now that's what ACTUALLY HAPPENED. Deal with it.
"The Quantum energy spilling from Monarch is an umparalleled destructive force..." "a chain reaction that does not stop with a city, nor a continent...." (please notice that judging from what is written, the Quantum energy spilling from Monarch is the chain reaction, and not merely the cause of a chain reaction) "...nor a planet" "it is a wave of hartred and horror, sprung from a mindless act of rage..." "and it wipes away everything that gave me meaning" "it's the cruelest irony that in this universe I alone survive"So, the Monitor and what we saw surviving (due to a miracle or the Monitor's shields) are the only things left in that universe. Future comics didn't contraddict it, and as of now that's what ACTUALLY HAPPENED. Deal with it.Why not just post the scan?
Considering a universe is 100's of billions of galaxies, as depicted, the explosion came up a bit short of universe busting if we are going by the depiction. "And it wipes away everything that gave me meaning." It didn't wipe away his special plant.
What is REALLY funny though is the scan I keep posting after that you just quote, "I alone in this Universe Survive" Oh wait he was wrong about that too.
Heres the thing, it's not even said in the scans the Universe was hallowed out or destroyed, this whole universe busting tanking argument, like I've said a dozen times or so is complete hogwash, it isn't supported by the depiction and it sure as hell wasn't supported by the Monitor's own little narration boxes. No one here can prove the Universe was destroyed, as he directly comments right after, he is alone in it, much like he makes absolutely no mention of everything being destroyed.
Hogwash, Hogwash, Hogwash.
@baron2011 said:"The Quantum energy spilling from Monarch is an umparalleled destructive force..." "a chain reaction that does not stop with a city, nor a continent...." (please notice that judging from what is written, the Quantum energy spilling from Monarch is the chain reaction, and not merely the cause of a chain reaction) "...nor a planet" "it is a wave of hartred and horror, sprung from a mindless act of rage..." "and it wipes away everything that gave me meaning" "it's the cruelest irony that in this universe I alone survive"So, the Monitor and what we saw surviving (due to a miracle or the Monitor's shields) are the only things left in that universe. Future comics didn't contraddict it, and as of now that's what ACTUALLY HAPPENED. Deal with it.Why not just post the scan?
Considering a universe is 100's of billions of galaxies, as depicted, the explosion came up a bit short of universe busting if we are going by the depiction. "And it wipes away everything that gave me meaning." It didn't wipe away his special plant.
What is REALLY funny though is the scan I keep posting after that you just quote, "I alone in this Universe Survive" Oh wait he was wrong about that too. Heres the thing, it's not even said in the scans the Universe was hallowed out or destroyed, this whole universe busting tanking argument, like I've said a dozen times or so is complete hogwash, it isn't supported by the depiction and it sure as hell wasn't supported by the Monitor's own little narration boxes. No one here can prove the Universe was destroyed, as he directly comments right after, he is alone in it, much like he makes absolutely no mention of everything being destroyed. Hogwash, Hogwash, Hogwash.
The same counter-argument can be used here (like some DC fanboys use it for Odin's feats). What i mean do we see that this incident was actuall universal-scale ? It is stated yes but why should we take writer's word for this in Prime's case and not take in Odin's ? If we discard statements for one character than we discard statement's for other character. That's a thing called "fair''.
Anyway the power of the blast really doesn't matter since Prime didn't tank the blast (he was transported into 31st century).
You debate like a 12 year old child, call people lairs because you do not like how comics are written and refuse to accept multiple on panel showing of "feats" that go against your argument but happily take obscure, unclear retconned feats that fit your needs. Its a shame it would have been nice to have a good debate on this subject. Instead you would rather.
That's the problem, you obviously haven't read the comic just some respect thread because they were not shown "duking it out" at all. The "battle" at that point was mostly being told as a story by Thor and how it was seen through his eyes from observing it from afar, just like the the scientists watching Galaxies going black. When Thor arrived on the battle field he was surprised, he thought Galaxies were being destroyed but they were not, worlds were being enslaved by "infinity" and covered in a "Stygian darkness" which later when Odin composed himself he removed. They are not my words or "Lies", read the scan I posted and the rest of the story, you claim to have it.
@isaac_clarke said: Clearly it did when the VERY FIRST THING you mention in your post is some nonsense about anyone bothering to type up a response for over 3 hours.
I pointed out the whole argument of "Galaxy was mentioned once!" = Does it matter when it was mentioned in the actually part of the scan when these two were duking it out?
Again, you throw insults and accuse me of fabricating a story when I am just posting word for word what Thor said happened, its not my "notion" it is what Thor stated to be fact when he arrived on the battle field. Look at the scan I posted and read it instead of just being a Troll, those were not my words they were Thor's, the same person narrating the story. If you don't like my so called "notion" which is not a notion but what was written and published story take it up with Marvel, I would suggest you read it before doing so.@isaac_clarke said Just like "All the illustrations" only planets, when we did see something a little more when they where again, actually fighting.
Pointing out there was some actual damage from the fight, rather than your notion that Infinity harmlessly went about his business even while fighting Odin.
Are you serious? Do you even read comics or just troll people after reading a respect thread and a wiki? The IG was the most powerful object to show up to that date but still not Infinite in power, during the IG saga is was stated to be near infinite. Should I call you out and say you are a lair now, that's what you like to do?. There was a point I was trying to make with that statement but it clearly went way over your head. At that point in the IG saga Thanos was only able to power the IG up to %2 (which was said on panel) he then wiped out life in %25 of a Galaxy, this was over a decade after Odin was supposedly destroying and re-creating Galaxies with a wave of his hand. When Thanos did this it was an unprecedented event in the MU and left Odin and all the God-heads with there jaws dropped to the floor. If Odin had the power you suggested he simply would have waved his hand and fixed everything but instead got curb stomped and was left trembling in fear.@isaac_clarke said The nonsense of trying to play off random %, 2% of infinite power = doesn't infinite power or that 25% of galactic death that you insisted meant something?
I was pointing out that 3 sky-fathers that can supposedly "bust a Galaxy" put every ounce of power they had into one single God-blast and there was "Galactic" scale destruction@isaac_clarke said Pointing out that Godblasts have never been used as anything more than a blast, not to destroy galaxies or even planets, just to have a lot of power behind an energy attack that allows them to damage people out of their league generally
You posted scans of Odin beating up on Thor and Zeus beating up on Hulk. You tried to use this as a means of Odin defeating SMP which is completely irrelevant.@isaac_clarke said Pointing out I never compared Prime to Thor or the Hulk
I do not recall but that is irrelevant to our discussion.@isaac_clarke said You did the exact same with the other poster I quoted you from, you took what they said and jumbled it into a completely different argument.
I haven't been "Lying" about anything, why you started to insult me, fabricate lies and just plain troll is beyond me. I would have liked an actual debate with you. I like how you point out my flawed sentence structure in a paragraph without a single period but hey I can care less, mine is flawed and I'm not the spelling police. I was also posting from an android.@isaac_clarke said There was only one sentence you could argue was actually broken, because I quoted "multiple" in the wrong quote, outside that your lying as all your sentences, at least the ones you actually bother to put a period on, are in their complete form.
He withstood magical attacks from Mordru and Mxy, both are far above Odin in that magical department. He also survived a Universe busting attack, Odin is a star breaker/solar system buster at best. In physical stats SMP outclasses Odin in every way.@isaac_clarke said Again prove that Odin can't hurt Prime, because so far it's based off nothing.
The fact that he had to enhance his strength to beat Thor says it all, SMP would 1 shot Thor. Yes, it was clear you were trying to compare Thor to SMP. You then used a scan a Zeus which was completely off topic and irrelevant in this debate. Odin and Asgardians are known for powerful weapons, armor, magic and relics. Olympians are more known for there brute strength, unmatched fighting skill and also powerful magic.@isaac_clarke said Because me providing an example of Odin's ability to enhance his strength to the point he beats Thor down like a ragdoll is just that, not a comparison to Prime as you like to twist my post into saying.
Except it was. Again if you actually read comics you would know this. You may not like the illustration of the few scans that you actually read but it was a confirmed feat written in that comic. On top of the it was confirmed in many other comics universe designate 51 was destroyed and that was screwing up the Multiversal balance. Again if you read comics you would also know there were actual comics published for the sole purpose of re-creating universe designate 51. Call the DC writers and publishers lairs, no need to insult me because you do not like or read there comics. Unlike Odin destroying a Galaxy that was not only retconned in the same story but never talked about again.@isaac_clarke said Except the Universe wasn't destroyed: This is again an example of you telling a lie.
Again, you keep questioning a feat that was not only confirmed in the comic it happened it but many many others along with a story arc revolving around restoring that universe. When comics are written there is something that comes along with the "feats" that something is called a story which has a plot. When you read the comics the "feats" that take place have a meaning and a clear definition of what transpired. You either have not read any of the stories in question or you are intentionally trolling and lying but I personally think you are just a moron. Here is just 2 scans confirming it off the top of my head.@isaac_clarke said If the universe was destroyed, there wouldn't a planet, there wouldn't be light, it was commented as something that wiped out all life in the universe, the problem is EVEN THAT ISN'T TRUE.
Ask DC why they wrote the story that way and tell them the Monitors explanation of how it was controlled is not good enough for you. Do this so they can tell you to STFU and stop trolling there stories until you actually read one of them.
@isaac_clarke said And if said blast had knocked Prime around the DC Multiverse, then this planet would have followed, didn't happen now did it?
I could care less what other "classic" feats you post, you already started with that absurd Odin "feat". Both DC and Marvel are filled with absurd feats that make no sense.@isaac_clarke said I'm glad Odin fought Classic Thor, should we start bringing up his absurd feats?
I can post them as well but I'm not going to, there is well over a dozen scans, the story ran 4 issues (Thor v1 184-188) but I'm sure the dozen you are talking about re straight off the respect thread. FYI, That infinity was not the cosmic abstract it was Odin's alter ego running loose so no sh1t it was running off the Odin force. The cosmic abstract Infinity made her debut like 2 years later.@isaac_clarke said Infinity was running off the Odinforce and even the scans I posted (I could the entire thing, but thats a dozen or more scans than I'd like to) where he even mentions there can only be one Odin.
I was bringing up the combined God-Blast that 3 so called "Galaxy busters" put every ounce of there power into, it was simply deflected and caused no major collateral damage. It was not as pointless as bringing up Zeus and Hulk@isaac_clarke said Cool, the Celestial would destroy Prime as he can't even damage them, so you bringing them up is about as pointless as could be in this thread.
Magic is out the window because Prime has tanked more powerful magic users such as Mordru and Mxy. You are the moron for refusing to accept an event that occurred in DC that was talked about in many different DC titles and even had its own aftermath story written about it. It happened, get over it.@isaac_clarke said Why is magic out the window? Because you said so? Under the very same moronic logic that you claim Prime can tank a Universe Buster, despite evidence speaking directly to that being Hogwash, Odin can shake the multiverse in his fight with Seth.
See when Monarch exploded, we didn't see the universe be destroyed, we saw a massive explosion, that is it. After we even seethe Universe is still there.
How is someone supposed to have a debate if you refuse to accept clear cut feats of something that has been confirmed on panel at least a dozen times? Are you trying to say that Odin is a Multiversal threat now? Talk about Hogwash huh?
Odin has a Physical body that has and can be damaged by Physical attacks. Prime is far faster, stronger and more durable than Odin or anyone he has fought. All he would need to do is a speed blitz and simply beat the old man to death. You can throw rocks in the air all you want to but two can play the game. How can Odin beat Prime?
@CapitolPunishment: Convincing argument.
I'm glad someone find him concinving, so Mxy < Superboy Prime and Mordu's Pink Pellot attack of Doom > Odin.
Funny stuff.
@CapitolPunishment said:
Flagged."You debate like a 12 year old child,"
Although this is a bit ironic coming from the guy that spams the monkey photo as an argument.
No I call them lairs because right on panel it's said the universe isn't destroyed and them insisting otherwise is indeed lying."call people lairs because you do not like how comics are written "
What feats are those again? Prime can tank universe busters when he didn't? Anything else? Is immune to reality warping? Can beat Mxy? What showings / arguments have I missed?"and refuse to accept multiple on panel showing of "feats" that go against your argument "
What as obscured or retconned about anything I showed? I posted scans straight out of Fear Itself where Odin is walking on the ground creating a brand spanking new planet with his thoughts, ergo reality warping."but happily take obscure, unclear retconned feats"
Instead of just saying, "Those scans are retconned and obscure" why not actually you know be a bit more specific?
You post that picture too much."that fit your needs. Its a shame it would have been nice to have a good debate on this subject. Instead you would rather. "
Are we talking about the same fight? Because every character that is actually speaking that knows whats going on, from Odin to Thor is commenting how Odin is fighting Infinity."That's the problem, you obviously haven't read the comic just some respect thread because they were not shown "duking it out" at all. "
Maybe they looked it up in a respect thread too and didn't read the issues since they clearly don't know as well as you do whats going on, since Infinity and Odin apparently aren't fighting a life and death fight one on one for the most part.
ODIN YOUR NOT FIGHTING ANYONE IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD, READ THE COMIC!
When was the battle being told mostly by Thor who was busy with other things at the time? Odin was chatting, the humans were chatting, the Asgardians where chatting, etc. So again where was Thor doing all this telling of the fight?"The "battle" at that point was mostly being told as a story by Thor"
No I'm pretty sure we saw the fight from multiple perspectives, including the All-Father's himself. But feel free to post scans that say otherwise I'd like to see them."and how it was seen through his eyes from observing it from afar,"
I thought we only saw the fight through Thor's eyes?! What the heck!?"just like the the scientists watching Galaxies going black."
"When Thor arrived on the battle field he was surprised, he thought Galaxies were being destroyed but they were not, worlds were being enslaved by "infinity" and covered in a "Stygian darkness" which later when Odin composed himself he removed. "
Post a scan of him being surprised and saying any of this, because the only time I remember Thor mentioning Galaxy was when he was describing how large Infinity's hand was.
Which was long before we actually see Odin fighting Infinity. The only shock Thor has when he actually gets back to help his father he is under the control of Infinity and attacking him, outside that Thor isn't shouting "Oh noes, I was wrong, Infinity is just taking planets away and Odin was over hyping the entire fight that I was simply witnessing and filling in the words through my amazing ability to read lips from light years away!".
What scan was that again? Cause so far I'm hearing Odin wasn't fighting infinity and the entire thing was being watched / narrated by Thor, which wasn't the case except for a recap page."They are not my words or "Lies", read the scan I posted and the rest of the story, you claim to have it. "
Irony meter kicks in with the start of your post singing a different tune, especially when I can't seem to see the insults I'm tossing out."Again, you throw insults "
Feel free to underline those insults that I'm posting against you like crazy.
@isaac_clarke said Just like "All the illustrations" only planets, when we did see something a little more when they where again, actually fighting.
Pointing out there was some actual damage from the fight, rather than your notion that Infinity harmlessly went about his business even while fighting Odin.
When did you do this at all? Why not just post the scan to see Thor's own "Word for Word" to prove your case instead of saying you did?"and accuse me of fabricating a story when I am just posting word for word what Thor said happened,"
You mean this scan?"its not my "notion" it is what Thor stated to be fact when he arrived on the battle field. Look at the scan I posted and read it instead of just being a Troll, those were not my words they were Thor's, the same person narrating the story."
Which is the one before they are actually, you know, fighting? Because we don't see that fight till another 5 pages in and this was simply a scan of Infinity grabbing said planets, not fighting Odin.
"If you don't like my so called "notion" which is not a notion but what was written and published story take it up with Marvel, I would suggest you read it before doing so."
What I don't like is your a liar, your liar right here in this post heavily and pretending Odin didn't fight infinity, that there was no collateral damage and posting a scan of Thor finding out those planets weren't being destroyed by taken by Infinity, not Odin and Infinity fighting, which would be the much later part with Odin is like:
Which Thor is apparently narrating and watching from a distance despite his own problems.
Oh you got me, I haven't read a comic and my life and I get all my information straight off Wikipedia. Like your said your throwing around random % as if they mean something, don't be heartbroken that I pointed that out."Are you serious? Do you even read comics or just troll people after reading a respect thread and a wiki?"
Uh, yeah it does. That was the entire point of the Gems and the Gauntlet, to make the person wielding it Omnipotent, even if it was a lesser omnipotence then the TOAA / LT. There are varying levels of infinite power in fiction, Marvel even had some cubed beings chatting about it once."The IG was the most powerful object to show up to that date but still not Infinite in power,"
Post that scan for me."during the IG saga is was stated to be near infinite. "
Go for it, but be a bit specific when you make that claim."Should I call you out and say you are a lair now, that's what you like to do?"
If it was said on panel, then it shouldn't be a problem to post a scan of him running off "2%" of it's power.". There was a point I was trying to make with that statement but it clearly went way over your head. At that point in the IG saga Thanos was only able to power the IG up to %2 (which was said on panel)"
Feel free to post that scan too."he then wiped out life in %25 of a Galaxy,"
You can post these scans too."this was over a decade after Odin was supposedly destroying and re-creating Galaxies with a wave of his hand. When Thanos did this it was an unprecedented event in the MU and left Odin and all the God-heads with there jaws dropped to the floor. If Odin had the power you suggested he simply would have waved his hand and fixed everything but instead got curb stomped and was left trembling in fear."
God Blasts aren't intended for busting galaxies, they are simply a blast. Stop trying to pretend otherwise."I was pointing out that 3 sky-fathers that can supposedly "bust a Galaxy" put every ounce of power they had into one single God-blast and there was "Galactic" scale destruction "
"You posted scans of Odin beating up on Thor and Zeus beating up on Hulk. You tried to use this as a means of Odin defeating SMP which is completely irrelevant. "@isaac_clarke said Pointing out I never compared Prime to Thor or the Hulk
First off, I don't recall posting any scans involving the Hulk in any shape or form, you keep saying that despite that never happening.
Second the reason I even quoted that is because you took someone's post and completely twisted the meaning, either out of your own lack of understanding of what the poster said or simply wishing to harrash the person in question:
Because he didn't compare the Hulk to Superboy Prime, just like I didn't compare Thor to Superboy Prime.@BigCimmerian said:
This is spite, Odin would curbstomp him even in physical fight... Odin would just use Odinforce to increase his strength, speed, durability and stamina to infinite level...the same way Zeus did when he fought Hulk.
Right, because Hulk is in SMP's league.
We both pointed out that Odin, much like Zeus can enhance their physical attributes tremendously, much like anything else, size, shape, density, all of it with their power. Not that the Hulk or Thor are comparable to Prime, you completely came to that conclusion on your own and I fully expect you, despite me pointing this out for a third or fourth time to continue coming to that conclusion as you are likely trolling me.
Since you keep bringing up that part of my post and twisting it to make an argument out of fin air up, yes it is."I do not recall but that is irrelevant to our discussion. "
Yeah you have and I pointed that out with how you insisted I chopped up your sentences when I did nothing of the sort."I haven't been "Lying" about anything, why you started to insult me, fabricate lies and just plain troll is beyond me."
Feeling isn't mutual, when I have someone posting a not funny picture of a monkey as a depiction of what I and other posters are doing, over and over and throwing around unfounded nonsense that I debate like a 12 year old, despite age not having anything to do with it and I'm fairly confindent that not all 12 year olds don't debate the exact same way, I lose interest quickly in having any debate with you."I would have liked an actual debate with you."
I'm not pointing anything outside the lack of periods when you finish and start sentences, which doesn't matter much since the mods deleted that post anyway."I like how you point out my flawed sentence structure in a paragraph without a single period but hey I can care less, mine is flawed and I'm not the spelling police. I was also posting from an android."
You mean Mordu's pellet attack of Doom? The purple one that doesn't even look like it can bust a side walk, much less a planet?"He withstood magical attacks from Mordru"
But I'm sure that attack would have insta KOed Odin and took down a galaxy, despite not even damaging Prime's suit and bouncing off harmlessly like a squirt gun.
Superman Prime, at this point he had plot protection as an anomaly and Mxy himself wasn't in the best of shape according to him."and Mxy,"
Nothing beats pointless retcons to the 5D imps, an alternate Zatanna seemingly depowering Mxy and plot anomaly protection for Prime in one steaming pile of dumb and having people claim Prime > Mxy thread to lovely thread.
Not at the level of power DC had them at when Prime tanked what they dished, not even close. While Emperor Joker messes up the entire Universe including the Spectre, Mxy can't find himself snapping Prime out of existence."both are far above Odin in that magical department. "
That didn't bust the universe:"He also survived a Universe busting attack,"
Feel free to point out in the big explosion where we see the entire universe cease to be or where it's said the universe was destroyed.
Bear in mind, completely ignoring the fact that right after a couple of farmers blow away Prime's clothes and that the Time Trapper brought him there.
Primes a planet buster at best, your point?"Odin is a star breaker/solar system buster at best. In physical stats SMP outclasses Odin in every way."
Why is that exactly? It's been that way for decades, despite this Odin has beaten him down plenty."The fact that he had to enhance his strength to beat Thor says it all, SMP would 1 shot Thor. "
"Yes, it was clear you were trying to compare Thor to SMP."
Twisting my words and lying, color me shocked.
"You then used a scan a Zeus which was completely off topic and irrelevant in this debate." And this never happened, you completely made that up either because your completely delusional or trolling me, I think the latter. If you want to prove otherwise, feel free to quote where I posted all those Zeus vs Hulk scans in the instance you keep referring to.
Cool, Zeus is still physically not that strong without amping himself." Odin and Asgardians are known for powerful weapons, armor, magic and relics. Olympians are more known for there brute strength, unmatched fighting skill and also powerful magic. "
No."Except it was. "
Yes because every comic ever released is Countdown, Prime and Monarch's retarded fight. I could post scans of the entire thing where it doesn't mention the universe being destroyed once and your'll still chant otherwise while you claim Odin can't bust more than a star."Again if you actually read comics you would know this. "
No it wasn't, but feel free to post the scan that says it was."You may not like the illustration of the few scans that you actually read but it was a confirmed feat written in that comic. "
Again post the scan and underline where it says "Destroyed". Because the scan right after the explosion says DIRECTLY OTHERWISE."On top of the it was confirmed in many other comics universe designate 51 was destroyed "
Just you, because you are indeed lying."and that was screwing up the Multiversal balance. Again if you read comics you would also know there were actual comics published for the sole purpose of re-creating universe designate 51. Call the DC writers and publishers lairs, no need to insult me because you do not like or read there comics. Unlike Odin destroying a Galaxy that was not only retconned in the same story but never talked about again."
Cool, where does it say it was destroyed in either of them and Prime tanked it without having his clothes destroyed?"Again, you keep questioning a feat that was not only confirmed in the comic it happened it but many many others along with a story arc revolving around restoring that universe. When comics are written there is something that comes along with the "feats" that something is called a story which has a plot. When you read the comics the "feats" that take place have a meaning and a clear definition of what transpired. You either have not read any of the stories in question or you are intentionally trolling and lying but I personally think you are just a moron. Here is just 2 scans confirming it off the top of my head."
No I'm asking you, since you keep insisting Prime tanked it, yet somehow was launched into a completely different universe only to have his clothes destroyed by farmer ray guns."Ask DC why they wrote the story that way and tell them the Monitors explanation of how it was controlled is not good enough for you. Do this so they can tell you to STFU and stop trolling there stories until you actually read one of them."
Cool."I could care less what other "classic" feats you post, you already started with that absurd Odin "feat". Both DC and Marvel are filled with absurd feats that make no sense. "
Closer to 39 nine scans straight from the respect thread, which again is more than I need to post. Where did I imply differently in any shape or form? Whats the point of mentioning a different infinity?"I can post them as well but I'm not going to, there is well over a dozen scans, the story ran 4 issues (Thor v1 184-188) but I'm sure the dozen you are talking about re straight off the respect thread. FYI, That infinity was not the cosmic abstract it was Odin's alter ego running loose so no sh1t it was running off the Odin force. The cosmic abstract Infinity made her debut like 2 years later. "
It's a cool thing I didn't. Keep trolling champ."I was bringing up the combined God-Blast that 3 so called "Galaxy busters" put every ounce of there power into, it was simply deflected and caused no major collateral damage. It was not as pointless as bringing up Zeus and Hulk "
No."Magic is out the window because Prime has tanked more powerful magic users such as Mordru and Mxy. "
Hypocrite."You are the moron for refusing to accept an event that occurred in DC that was talked about in many different DC titles and even had its own aftermath story written about it. It happened, get over it. "
Irony."How is someone supposed to have a debate if you refuse to accept clear cut feats of something that has been confirmed on panel at least a dozen times?"
No but I'm sure you will insist I did, because your good at that. I mean heck your seeing me post Hulk scans I never posted."Are you trying to say that Odin is a Multiversal threat now?"
So far your entire argument fits that bill yes."Talk about Hogwash huh? "
He doesn't need to and he can enhance it to the point that won't be much of a problem coming from prime."Odin has a Physical body that has and can be damaged by Physical attacks."
Liar."Prime is far faster, stronger and more durable than Odin or anyone he has fought."
By willing him out of existence, BFR, etc."All he would need to do is a speed blitz and simply beat the old man to death. You can throw rocks in the air all you want to but two can play the game. How can Odin beat Prime?"
He is a reality warper so he can be creative.
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