LT wins in ridiculously easy fashion, even if you're using Full-Powered Galactus and WPOTC. Just to put it out there, Odin and Apocalypse shouldn't be in this fight.
dont be stupid...size means nothing to an entity that can with but a stray thought destroy Apoc and a entire universe. plus you cant harm the Tribunal physically or mentally or magically the only known thing that can currently hurt the tribunal is the HOTU
"yeh but i thought if they teamed up they might win. "
nope Odin - Dies Galactus - Dies Pheonix - might last for a second of two but still dies Apoc - is not a cosmic threat, molecular manipulation pales in comparrison to Reality warping and cosmic energy manipulation
" @The Mjolnir Wielder: What ? You put PR Beyonder and HOTU Thanos on the same level as TOAA ? "
All three of them are omnipotent, so why wouldn't they be on the same level? "
pre retcon beyonder was powerful, but he wasnt all knowing - if he was then he would understand everything (love, hate ambition , evil and good) but he made stupid choices and errors
" @TheJuggernautpunch: A lot of people say pre-retcon Beyonder = TOAA. I personally disagree. He should still be a step below. No one should be above the One Above All. "
PR Beyonder had to give up part of his power to kill Death, something TOAA would not need to do.
" @The Mjolnir Wielder: What ? You put PR Beyonder and HOTU Thanos on the same level as TOAA ? "
All three of them are omnipotent, so why wouldn't they be on the same level? "
pre retcon beyonder was powerful, but he wasnt all knowing - if he was then he would understand everything (love, hate ambition , evil and good) but he made stupid choices and errors "
That still doesn't really matter when determining how powerful someone is. Reece doesn't have the cosmic awareness of Galactus or Eternity, but he's still considerably more powerful than both of them combined. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was still omnipotent, omnipresent and was stated as being billions of times more powerful than the rest of the multiverse combined.
" @The Mjolnir Wielder: What ? You put PR Beyonder and HOTU Thanos on the same level as TOAA ? "
All three of them are omnipotent, so why wouldn't they be on the same level? "
Omnipotence means all powerful, not all knowing (Omniscient) or everywhere (Omnipresent). Therefore he is below the One Above All. "
If you are Omnipotent then you are omniscient and omnipresent. Omnipotent = you can do whatever you whant and if you whant to be omniscient then you are, if you whant to be omnipresent then you are. That said i put TOAA on nr.1 then the rest.
What Deava Aeschma said is also very true. If someone gives something away and he is diminished then he can't be omnipotent aka infinite because something was lost, if you take X from infinte what is left is still infinite.
" @TheJuggernautpunch: A lot of people say pre-retcon Beyonder = TOAA. I personally disagree. He should still be a step below. No one should be above the One Above All. "
PR Beyonder had to give up part of his power to kill Death, something TOAA would not need to do. Beyonder is below TOAA "
He stated that he didn't have the powerful to recreate Death, but he did anyway (he was limiting himself mentally) when that reporter chose to sacrifice himself.
" @TheJuggernautpunch: A lot of people say pre-retcon Beyonder = TOAA. I personally disagree. He should still be a step below. No one should be above the One Above All. "
PR Beyonder had to give up part of his power to kill Death, something TOAA would not need to do. Beyonder is below TOAA "
He stated that he didn't have the powerful to recreate Death, but he did anyway (he was limiting himself mentally) when that reporter chose to sacrifice himself. "
Something was still lost, he was diminished and so he can't be on TOAA level. TOAA is inifinte.
" @TheJuggernautpunch: A lot of people say pre-retcon Beyonder = TOAA. I personally disagree. He should still be a step below. No one should be above the One Above All. "
PR Beyonder had to give up part of his power to kill Death, something TOAA would not need to do. Beyonder is below TOAA "
He stated that he didn't have the powerful to recreate Death, but he did anyway (he was limiting himself mentally) when that reporter chose to sacrifice himself. "
Something was still lost, he was diminished and so he can't be on TOAA level. TOAA is inifinte. "
It was stated throughout Secret Wars II that Pre-Retcon Beyonder was infinite as well. One can't be more powerful than another when both are omnipotent.
" @The Mjolnir Wielder: What ? You put PR Beyonder and HOTU Thanos on the same level as TOAA ? "
All three of them are omnipotent, so why wouldn't they be on the same level? "
Omnipotence means all powerful, not all knowing (Omniscient) or everywhere (Omnipresent). Therefore he is below the One Above All. "
If you are Omnipotent then you are omniscient and omnipresent. Omnipotent = you can do whatever you whant and if you whant to be omniscient then you are, if you whant to be omnipresent then you are. That said i put TOAA on nr.1 then the rest.
What Deava Aeschma said is also very true. If someone gives something away and he is diminished then he can't be omnipotent aka infinite because something was lost, if you take X from infinte what is left is still infinite. "
This is true in a reality, but in comics the term omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent are used separately (it is irritating, however). That and omnipotence is generally tossed around too much.
How about when doom got his poweres for himself ? He was clearly weak from that. Yes he got them back after but meh .. He realy does not look infinte from my point of view.
"TOAA represents the writers? But they are just ordinary dudes!!! "
Not in comics they are not. They can do whatever they whant with the "comic universe" (as long as they can get $ to) si yeah they are omnipotent there.
"yeh but i thought if they teamed up they might win. "
nope Odin - Dies Galactus - Dies Pheonix - might last for a second of two but still dies Apoc - is not a cosmic threat, molecular manipulation pales in comparrison to Reality warping and cosmic energy manipulation
"yeh but i thought if they teamed up they might win. "
nope Odin - Dies Galactus - Dies Pheonix - might last for a second of two but still dies Apoc - is not a cosmic threat, molecular manipulation pales in comparrison to Reality warping and cosmic energy manipulation
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Have you ever heard of teamwork? "
Team work does nothing for this battle, Odin, Galactus and Apoc cant even touch the tribunal and the phoenix force wont be able to do any damage to the tribunal...even all togather his power still dwarfs theirs
If all these guys fear the tribunal...what hope does your pathetic team have?
PR Molecule Man + MoM + Godspawn + Fulcrum.................................................................................and the list goes on and on.
After all there's a reason I am known as the GodKiller .
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