@icecold14: iceman's conscious in all the moisture on earth. Meaning no moisture = no omni-consciousness or whatever they called it. If they stay on earth. Iceman is pretty obviously going to win, the caveat is that nova+worldmind would know this, and would most likely take him to space, where there is no moisture, and his powers would be severely nerfed
@icecold14: and? I want to see how iceman, who Basically needs to be surrounded by ambient water vapor to do much of anything, is supposed to do f*** all in space. Your fanboy wishes just don't make it so
Iceman. He all he has to due is transmute him or freeze his insides for win... And nova can't destroy all the water on earth before bobby thinks to do this to him
@jwarr51493: you've literally never read a comic-book with Iceman in it...
He doesn't need to be surrounded by fluids. He can use the fluids from your body to manipulate them. Nova would most probably get stomped here. Iceman could literally with a thought freeze all the fluids Nova has in him, so it would be basicly a kill. Also, Iceman is now omnipresent really. If Nova would destroy his body, Bobby would still be living inside of Nova's fluids...
Can some expert on Iceman correct me if i'm wrong?
@icecold14: his body is filled with nova force, he is not actually a human, his physiology has changed(worldmind said it) and the nova force lives in him, except iceman can freeze a or transmute the whole nova force he loses.
The nova force imbueded in their body even protects them from things like telepathy, telekinesis(most probable)and other psionic attacks.
@comicdude360: Idk arguin with people helps lol :o and @Gizmorino: bro ive been trying to debate good but people like that guy that called me a fanboy ruin it :\
The advantage for Rider here is his reaction time. This and the speed are the only things where he massively outclasses Iceman. His only chance would be taking the fight to the space (Mainly exploding the planet), using his gravity manipulation to pull Iceman together (Who would be spread in space in the form of water particles boiling around) and unleashing the Nova Force on him, or throwing him in the Sun. But I don't think Rider would come with this first, even out of character. His gravity powers would be effective against Iceman but only for a time, if Bobby somehow gets a shot, Rider would feel it, and eventually would come down. I'm giving 7/10 for Iceman here.
@nothingclever: yeah, iceman shouldn't be able to do so, but it seems marvel making him omega makes sense though i disagree. Vulcan being uber powerful went to rule the shi'ar, what would iceman do now, even kyle got a solo as white lantern, bobby should eithet be toned donw or leave earth.
Transmuting Mjolnir is way beyond Iceman's station. I think it is great that he is powerful. He just should not be undermining Odin's enchantments. That is PIS/CIS/WIS/totally whack if I ever saw it. But I'm willing to accept it. It happened in cannon. In not gonna be "that guy."
I would love to see Iceman floating through space with huge wings/sails made of ice, using molecular control (or the Skyfather+ magic he apparently has at his disposal) to transmute/synthesize water to keep himself entertained and give him something to play with. Also, in space, no one can hear you brood, and he's been doing a lot of that.
@Gizmorino: Merry Christmas man :) dude that hulk vs iceman thread is making me crack up i mean im faking that im mad and some guy just got all crazy and said some things that are just too funny
@iceman14: yeah, the mutant elements(firestar imcluded) should have a book for them selves, as in a team stuff, but since it's just 4 or 5 atmost it would seem like a solo series and also a team book. I loved spiderman and his amazing friends series(the cartoon), and i loved bobby in evolution.
@iceman14: yeah, the mutant elements(firestar imcluded) should have a book for them selves, as in a team stuff, but since it's just 4 or 5 atmost it would seem like a solo series and also a team book. I loved spiderman and his amazing friends series(the cartoon), and i loved bobby in evolution.
@icecold14: comic iceman is vexing me, just don't like him anymore but his younger self is still likeable and i like him, they should just kill of the old O5 and bring in this younger enthusiastic versions, iceman may end up with the shi'ar or kree empire or a powerful intergalactic empire.
@icecold14: yeah, they have many herald level characters and some are getting amped, few lost powers, and that's how they kill the, overpower then forget, e.g jean, sentry... Just many to name.
@drfate: so asking for a source all of a sudden means I haven't read a comic with IM in it? Excuse me for not remembering every page I've ever seen with a specific character on it. And name one instance where IM has shown any of his OP abilities in an environment without ambient vapor
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