NO POWERS: Batman vs Wonder Woman

Round 1: Diana.

Round 2: Bruce.

Round 3: Bruce.

Batman all three

WW fans should read Batman Confidential 53 and Batman Endgame

Batman still stomps.

@saint_sophie: Why WW for round one?

The only round I see WW having a fair chance in is 1. She's pretty skilled with a sword and shield, I'll give her that, but she's not displayed enough hand-to-hand feats to make me think she's on Bruce's level.

Batman wrecks all rounds. He's superior to Diana in every way.

WW Lost H2H to superman a guy who only throws hay makers, and fights like a 3 year old berserk kid

Batman with the win here

Batman, all rounds.

Batman stomps all rounds.

If you think wonder woman wins you are undoubtedly wrong.

Batman

Batman is the better h2h fighter, WW is the better medieval weapons fighter.

Sorry Bro. I've changed my answer. Batman wins

@son_of_magnus:

Dethroned.

@son_of_magnus:

Ends in hot sex.

@haoalchemist: I will only claim PIS two times. the Bane vs Thomas Jagger fight and this. Batman would never surrender. Even after being broken and battered he still didn't give up against Bane. I think Bats would win but I'm not opposed to Wonder Woman winning one or two rounds. A much better example of a fight would be Justice League: League of one. Batman held his own and didn't surrender in that fight. There current record of SERIOUS battles is 4-2 batman. And like I said one of there battles were WW won IMHO is PIS.

Wonder Woman

Batman easily

What actual feats does Diana have that put her anywhere on Bruce's level skill wise? Not assumptions and vague statements, actual feats of her displaying martial skill on the level of one of the most skilled street levelers in comics. So far I haven't seen anything at all impressive whenever I've asked for scans, either the same vague statements are brought up or someone throws up some scans of one of her sparring matches with Bruce when she still had her powers, and neither of those are at all impressive. As it stands, with the lack of actual feats for Diana I say Bruce takes every round handily.

Feats-wise, Bruce should take the majority here. He has a plethora of accomplishments in regards to his combative prowess. It is implied that Diana is a highly skilled melee fighter, but this statement has only been backed up by a few concrete feats which pale in comparison to Bruce's.

My vote goes to Bruce for the majority in all rounds.

The only thing I can recall is when she and Bruce had a sparring match and she got the upper hand. I'm pretty sure she just overpowered him though.

Bruce.

@darthaznable:

I think I've seen that scan as well, I asked for skill feats for Diana in a depowered WW vs Black Widow thread and that was one of the 'feats' provided for Diana. I understand that she is supposed to be skilled and I even acknowledge that she is, but her skill is just like Thor's, implied at times but she just doesn't have any feats to back it up, and those that she does have are lackluster.

@haoalchemist said:

@son_of_magnus:

Dethroned.

RIGHT HERE!

@sodamyat:

Sorry. I changed my answer a few months ago. Regardless of her training,reputation ect. batman has far better h2h feats. without her powers batman wins.

@pooty: Nooo.. don't leave me out to dry :(

Batman wins. She relies on her powers and there just isn't enough feats of her being depowered for me to predict otherwise.

#getownedbats

@mysticmedivh:

:P. Atleast batman wasn't looking up at wonderwoman's boot in a nice cold puddle.

Batman

BATGOD WINS!

PRAISE BE TO OUR LORD AND SAVIOR!!!!

http://www.comicvine.com/wonder-woman/4005-2048/forums/wonderwoman-most-skillful-fighter-618103/?messageId=14494827&page=13#js-message-643

@csg_cl

"no you lost"

That is not for you to decide.

"as soon as you made this your personal platform to scan-spam"

I wasn't.

"us all with off topic commentary."

"Us all" really? I think you are exaggerating.

"WW is shown giving Black Canary fighting tips ..."

And Batman gave her fighting tips in Tower of Babel, and David Cain and Lady Shiva trained Batman but they were still beat up. It doesn't matter if she gave her tips.

"Oracle claims BC could potentially take out BM ..."

Barbra should get off the hallucinogens:

"BM has taken Shiva and Bane and KK ... Do the math ..."

Are you implying she can beat Shiva, Karate Kid, Bane, ect. without powers? That's crazy talk.

"WW is clearly in the top tier of skill, with or without powers."

She is skilled but I wouldn't put her in the top 10 or even top 50. That's fine considering her competition. However the fact is without powers Batman and others are much more accomplished as fighters:

Wonder Woman should win a few how she fought the Justice league and adapted to the movements in the air . While being blind folded

@csg_cl:

http://www.comicvine.com/wonder-woman/4005-2048/forums/wonderwoman-most-skillful-fighter-618103/?messageId=14502095&page=14#js-message-651

I'm responding to you here because I made a promise to your friend. Yet you still respond to me on the thread above ^.

Is it because you're afraid of challenging me without the help of like minded people on the Wonder Woman thread or is it a ditch effort to villainize me, because I was supposedly being "off topic"?

Ether way, you're a craven.

"??? You continue to make zero sense ..."

And you continue to not directly debate my points, instead you're opting avoid them.

"I'm not exaggerating since you've been posting mass scans that have nothing to do with the topic publicly ..."

Yes they do have stuff to do with the topic, Batman beating Wonder Woman makes him more skilled than her, therefor the title needs to be reworded or I'm being on topic because the OP was wrong. And even if they weren't I wasn't posting it to "everyone" I posted said scans to a select few people, you, makaih, agent, and sodam. That's pretty south of everyone.

"And still have yet to make a single point about WW's skill, or lack thereof."

Try reading my points next time:

"WW is shown giving Black Canary fighting tips ..."

And Batman gave her fighting tips in Tower of Babel, and David Cain and Lady Shiva trained Batman but they were still beat up. It doesn't matter if she gave her tips.

"Oracle claims BC could potentially take out BM ..."

Barbra should get off the hallucinogens:

"BM has taken Shiva and Bane and KK ... Do the math ..."

Are you implying she can beat Shiva, Karate Kid, Bane, ect. without powers? That's crazy talk.

"WW is clearly in the top tier of skill, with or without powers."

She is skilled but I wouldn't put her in the top 10 or even top 50. That's fine considering her competition. However the fact is without powers Batman and others are much more accomplished as fighters:

Even so, you haven't posted anything proving Wonder Womans skill, only ad hominem filled drivel.

"Maybe you should take debate next year in your GED classes."

Simmer down Stalin's daughter, you're not winning any awards ether.

Batman solos

Batman vs Bloodlusted Cheetah would be a better fight

WW wins round one for sure...she's the best melee fighter in DC

I think round 2 could go either way but im banking on Bruce

round 3 is probably batman

but that said it wont be easy for him and chances are she's still stronger than him or at least as strong as him without powers

and truthfully they are two different type of fighters....if youre going to fight h2h with someone you're probably gonna want bruce but if you're trying to fight a group of warriors you're gonna need Diana(with or without powers)

basically Bruce belongs in a dark alley or in a boxing cage and Diana belongs on a battlefield, too different types of fighters

though i do think Diana would adapt quickly to different types of fighting and would definitely rise in rank if she was to train with other fighting types

why do you want him dead lol?

@willienotwilliam:

"WW wins round one for sure...she's the best melee fighter in DC"

Vague statements while she is powered proves nothing.

@agent41:

http://www.comicvine.com/wonder-woman/4005-2048/forums/wonderwoman-most-skillful-fighter-618103/?messageId=14502095&page=14#js-message-651

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/she-ra-vs-supergirl-1519902/

Our current talk right now ^

"??? You continue to make zero sense ..."

And you continue to not directly debate my points, instead you're opting avoid them.

"I'm not exaggerating since you've been posting mass scans that have nothing to do with the topic publicly ..."

Yes they do have stuff to do with the topic, Batman beating Wonder Woman makes him more skilled than her, therefor the title needs to be reworded or I'm being on topic because the OP was wrong. And even if they weren't I wasn't posting it to "everyone" I posted said scans to a select few people, you, makaih, agent, and sodam. That's pretty south of everyone.

"And still have yet to make a single point about WW's skill, or lack thereof."

Try reading my points next time:

"WW is shown giving Black Canary fighting tips ..."

And Batman gave her fighting tips in Tower of Babel, and David Cain and Lady Shiva trained Batman but they were still beat up. It doesn't matter if she gave her tips.

"Oracle claims BC could potentially take out BM ..."

Barbra should get off the hallucinogens:

"BM has taken Shiva and Bane and KK ... Do the math ..."

Are you implying she can beat Shiva, Karate Kid, Bane, ect. without powers? That's crazy talk.

"WW is clearly in the top tier of skill, with or without powers."

She is skilled but I wouldn't put her in the top 10 or even top 50. That's fine considering her competition. However the fact is without powers Batman and others are much more accomplished as fighters:

Even so, you haven't posted anything proving Wonder Womans skill, only ad hominem filled drivel.

"Maybe you should take debate next year in your GED classes."

Simmer down Stalin's daughter, you're not winning any awards ether.

This was primarily targeted towards your ally, but can apply to you as well, minus the "insults." Which is why I crossed them out.

"And no bimbat is below WW."

Which version of Wonder Woman?

Since the OP didn't specify which version of Wonder Woman this is, the Golden Age Wonder Woman would win since her tremendous strength and speed is the result of Amazon training and technically, these can't be considered super powers pretty much like Karate Kid who can fight Pre-Crisis Superboy.

Maybe, even their weakest Amazon like Paula von Gunther, an adopted former Nazi, who became super strong, super fast and skilled enough to deflect bullets after her Amazon trainng would be more than a match for Batman.

Pre-Crisis powerless Wonder Woman trained with I-Ching and she became a top tier martial artist that can break steel with her hands via a karate chop. I haven't seen Batman or Captain America chop through a steel bar. Feel free to correct me here though.

Batman still absolutely stomps Wonder Woman in hand to hand combat

@jayc1324:

Even Golden Age?

New 52 Diana trained with Ares while still a toddler and matched him for hours before losing. Her skill is better than Achilles and Perseus combined and she was just 8 years old. She even defeated all her Amazon trainers at that age. See Wonder Woman 0.

Especially Golden Age wonder Wimp.

With powers...

She doesn't get powers though.

And...

Lol. Saying Batman could beat Golden Age WW who relied on Amazon training for enhanced strength, invisible speed and superior HTH fighting skills is just too much. You lose all credibility here.

Paula has the strength and speed. What are you talking about? Yup no credibility.