#1 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Tim Drake

VS

Azula, Mai, Ty Lee

Location: Pro-Bending Arena (Pro-Bending Rules Do NOT Apply)

Morals On

No prep, but both sides do get prior knowledge of the other team's abilities.

Current Character Versions (Pre52 feats apply)

KO, Incapacitation, Death, BFR count as win.

Gear:

Dick has 10 Batarangs and his esckrima sticks, Jason has his kris dagger and 10 throwing knives , Tim has his staff. They are wearing their standard armored suits.

Azula has firebending and 2 steel kyoshi fans, Mai has 20 throwing blades and 2 kyoshi fans, Ty Lee has 2 steel kyoshi fans. They are wearing Kyoshi Warrior armor.

#2 Posted by YoungJustice (6919 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Avatar due to morals and lack of guns.

Even though May is a non-factor.

#3 Posted by ascenscion (102 posts) - - Show Bio

Azula is a match for Grayson, ty lee could take down drake, dunno about mai vs Todd. I think azulas fire bending wins it. This is taking into account Grayson and to a lesser extent drake are two of the best martial artists in the DCU, whilst azula is the single best, most powerful fire bender in the avatar universe except iroh, and has the most potential of any fire bender, easily able to outstrip ozai and zuko given enough prep (not even gonna consider jeong jeong). Ty lee is also seen as one of the greatest martial artists in the AU and mai isn't bad either, though not on the other two's level.

#4 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

Team Avatar due to morals and lack of guns.

Even though May is a non-factor.

Mai isn't a non factor, she is a skilled marksman as well as a combatant, and she can provide support for her team.

@ascenscion said:

Azula is a match for Grayson, ty lee could take down drake, dunno about mai vs Todd. I think azulas fire bending wins it. This is taking into account Grayson and to a lesser extent drake are two of the best martial artists in the DCU, whilst azula is the single best, most powerful fire bender in the avatar universe except iroh, and has the most potential of any fire bender, easily able to outstrip ozai and zuko given enough prep (not even gonna consider jeong jeong). Ty lee is also seen as one of the greatest martial artists in the AU and mai isn't bad either, though not on the other two's level.

Take note that Nightwing has fire proof and insulated armor, so does Red Hood since he retains some of his old gear from his Robin years, as well as Tim who's cape is fire proof and has insulated armor. There isn't anything to suggest Ty Lee is the most skilled martial artist in Avatar Universe since Suki was able to stalemate her. Also there is nothing to suggest that Azula outstrips Ozai in any way and she was stalemated by Zuko at their best before and after sozins comet. I think you are overrating the Azula and Ty Lee a bit by saying they were the best of anything in their universe, they were elite no doubt, but not the best like you say they are, especially when you have nothing to prove it.

Nightwing and his team are well trained, much like Azulas team, but in any case no one here is the best of anything.

#5 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#6 Posted by Batman242 (4862 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, good battle. I'm leaning toward the Bat-Family. Azula and Ty Lee are the big problems. May isn't bad, but she isn't a match for anyone in this.

#7 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batman242 said:

Wow, good battle. I'm leaning toward the Bat-Family. Azula and Ty Lee are the big problems. May isn't bad, but she isn't a match for anyone in this.

Yeah, Mai doesn't have really good showings, I mean it's implied that she's an elite marksman with throwing knives and a pretty good combatant but she's just lacking the showings....but like I said, she can provide cover for the others should they get in a hot spot and need a distraction.

#8 Edited by Lunacyde (19523 posts) - - Show Bio

If Todd has guns it really isn't much of a match. Someone with his skill/accuracy should make quick work of the girls. If the guys are unnarmed then the girls will win.

Mai may be lacking in showings, but the ones she does have are impressive. (Ex. pinning her opponents to the wall by their clothing without harming them.) She has never really missed, though her projectiles have been deflected or blocked.

#9 Posted by Batman242 (4862 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: Well, to counter that, Dick, Jason and Tim are trained to dodge such things. I mean her being an elite marksman must count for something, making it harder for them to dodge, but all Tim has to do is get in close and it's all over for the long range.... but then we still have Azula. Welp, insulated, fire resistant suits :D

#10 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batman242: Yeah, but then again, they wouldn't be focused on Mai, and one of them would be occupied by Ty Lee. Azula being the greatest threat would accumulate the most aggro from the Nightwing team, giving Mai an opening to do some damage, especially should Ty Lee paralyze one of them for a minute.

#11 Posted by Batman242 (4862 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: Ahhh, I like the way you think. They'd probably stay far in the beginning and make it easier for themselves to dodge a little something from Mai and Azula. Dick might go for the easiest one at long range; that being Ty Lee seeing as she doesn't have anything to do but stand because getting in close to attack one of em while they are close to each other, wouldn't be a smart move. She'd probably be able to take out Tim the easiest, but seeing as he has his staff, it won't be THAT easy. Dick and Jason getting in close to Mai and especially Azula is the hard part. Azula would most likely let Dick get in close (see what I did there?) to see him fight. Mai on the other hand wouldn't let Jason do the same. Jason has the hardest job here. I don't know who would win now, but like I said, good match-up

#12 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batman242 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: Azula would most likely let Dick get in close (see what I did there?)

lol, but yeah. Dick going for Ty Lee at long range would be a challenge though, mainly due to Azula and Mai. I think Azula is a legit match for Nightwing though, both are leaders, extremely agile, extremely skilled etc. Mai and Red Hood are both good marksman, Todd uses guns mostly but he can translate that to throwing as well to match up with Mai who is almost as brooding as he is, but a little more emo lol. Tim doesn't really match up with Ty Lee as much as Dick does, but meh, this isn't a matchup battle lol. But yeah thanks, I was surprised this hasn't been done before, not even nightwing vs Azula or Ty Lee. My original fight was gonna be Batman vs Azula...but, well you already know lol

#13 Posted by Batman242 (4862 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: Batman vs Azula? I don't even think they'd fight. She'd be to stricken by his charm. JK lol, but that wouldn't be that bad a match. I say go for it.

Oh I didn't take Jason's gear into account. eh, Mai would stalemate him. Or Azula would just stop them - wait, can firebenders stop projectiles? Tim's best chance would be against Mai, but since she'd stay far, he can have problems. Lol, unless he has the staff from Arkham City. Azula is the true reason they would lose.

#14 Posted by Lunacyde (19523 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman...charming? What world do you live in?

#15 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batman242 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: Batman vs Azula? I don't even think they'd fight. She'd be to stricken by his charm. JK lol, but that wouldn't be that bad a match. I say go for it.

Na, I'd have to take away his gadgets like sonics and concussives and all that good stuff. Maybe I will though, maybe.

@Batman242 said:

Oh I didn't take Jason's gear into account. eh, Mai would stalemate him. Or Azula would just stop them - wait, can firebenders stop projectiles? Tim's best chance would be against Mai, but since she'd stay far, he can have problems. Lol, unless he has the staff from Arkham City. Azula is the true reason they would lose.

It depends on the projectiles, but yeah, Azula has powerful enough fire to knock some out of the air and dodge the rest or maybe block them since she and her team are armored. Mai might be a problem for Tim, but she only has 20 of them knives, should she run out all she got is some fans she could throw, but if he gets in close it's gonna get problematic like you said. But that arkham city staff with the shield would to some real good against Mai and Azula for sure. Azula definitely is the heaviest hitter here, even though they are wearing insulated suits, that lightning could be a problem should she hit them more than a few times, along with the fire, it may be insulated and fire retardant but it can wear down after constant exposure, and Azula can bend some really hot fire. Still even on both ends though.

#16 Posted by Batman242 (4862 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: OMG, I forgot about that lightning. lol. That's just unfair. But even though the fire wearing down their suits can happen, it seems unlikely. I don't think they'd take any chances of being hit just because they have em on. Mai would probably just play it smart and throw 10 from long range and call it that. if they close in to mid-range is when she'd go all out with like 5 and use the remaining 5 close. Ugh, too many variables to this fight. I can't think >.<

#17 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batman242: LOL, I love having that effect on people, this is what threads are supposed to do. It's supposed to come down to a science and so many variables you gotta take a minute to think and its great to know that my threads do that. Not like other thread where they just say a name and move on. But yeah, this is great lol

#18 Posted by Batman242 (4862 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: Yea, sadly some people are fanboys and just pick their favorite side, leave, rile up people, come with crap reasons and call it that. I was thinking of Mai's character in this and how she'd just be like this is pointless and just walk away. lol. She probably wouldn't because of Azula. If you did this as a 1v1 tourney or something, it would've been easier, but this.... this just demands you to use your brain, and I like it :D.

#19 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batman242 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: Yea, sadly some people are fanboys and just pick their favorite side, leave, rile up people, come with crap reasons and call it that. I was thinking of Mai's character in this and how she'd just be like this is pointless and just walk away. lol. She probably wouldn't because of Azula. If you did this as a 1v1 tourney or something, it would've been easier, but this.... this just demands you to use your brain, and I like it :D.

Yeah, like that dude in that Hulk thread lol "Superman can't beat Thor, Thor's GAWD, Hulk winzz" haha....

Mai would probably fight just cus it's something to do, and yeah she's still gotta follow Azula's orders. Unless Zuko's involved she'll do what she gotta do na mean.

1v1 would be too easy, yeah, maybe not Azula vs Nightwing, that's a good fight. but the other two...meh not so much. But hey, the more it makes you think, the better, people who don't think make one word answers, like @b00gan. But that's all it needs man, that's all it needs...

#20 Posted by Batman242 (4862 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: Precisely. He made ZERO sense. -.-

I don't remember that much with Avatar. They did have something goin' on right? I think I remember them two in a garden..... yep, they had somethin.

Ty Lee would stomp Tim, Jason, if he gets in close, would stomp Mai, but Dick and Azula would be perfect. lol, sometimes the one word thing is appropriate/alright to use, but not all the time. Especially when it comes to two big character. I.E Supes and Hulk, because some people clearly won't agree with logic.

#21 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batman242 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: Precisely. He made ZERO sense. -.-

I don't remember that much with Avatar. They did have something goin' on right? I think I remember them two in a garden..... yep, they had somethin.

Ty Lee would stomp Tim, Jason, if he gets in close, would stomp Mai, but Dick and Azula would be perfect. lol, sometimes the one word thing is appropriate/alright to use, but not all the time. Especially when it comes to two big character. I.E Supes and Hulk, because some people clearly won't agree with logic.

Who Zuko and Mai? They've been together for almost all of the series but it was capitalized on through most of Chapter 3: Fire. They're Boyfriend and Girlfriend lol.

Yeah maybe, but Tim was trained by Shiva and Jason by Talia a bit, so I don't know if it'd be a stomp. Mai doesn't have many combat feats, but she's implied to cancel out with Ty Lee, like how Ty Lee is an expert at close range, Mai is what Ty is at long range. Mai vs Jason is meh cus Mai doesn't have many feats. But yeah Dick vs Azula would be great. I see what you mean though, I try not to give one word answers but there are just some threads that are just too obvious. But with Hulk vs Superman, I'd use a one word answer, because most people that disagree are either misinformed or Fanboys. I have met those who had a legit argument for Hulk but it was in threads with special conditions and all that.

#22 Posted by Batman242 (4862 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: Ty does have that annoying nerve touch. Tim should too. But, Ty uses hers more often. If not a stomp, a win after a good battle, but that staff does give him an advantage.

I'll skip Mai and Jason altogether. Dick vs Azula will be awesome if she keeps the firebending at a minimal and doesn't bother with the lightning. It would be a nice twist in it if she would use it at random. Only way Hulk is winning if Supes stays grounded.... and not even then I think he could (easily).

#23 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

@Batman242 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: Ty does have that annoying nerve touch. Tim should too. But, Ty uses hers more often. If not a stomp, a win after a good battle, but that staff does give him an advantage.

I agree with that.

@Batman242 said:

I'll skip Mai and Jason altogether. Dick vs Azula will be awesome if she keeps the firebending at a minimal and doesn't bother with the lightning. It would be a nice twist in it if she would use it at random. Only way Hulk is winning if Supes stays grounded.... and not even then I think he could (easily).

I don't think Dick will give her room for lightning anyway, especially if he goes in with projectiles a lot. Well, as long as BFR isn't allowed and speed is equalized, Hulk might win in a hard fought battle.

#24 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#25 Posted by New_World_Order (13516 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days said:

@Batman242 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: Azula would most likely let Dick get in close (see what I did there?)

lol, but yeah. Dick going for Ty Lee at long range would be a challenge though, mainly due to Azula and Mai. I think Azula is a legit match for Nightwing though, both are leaders, extremely agile, extremely skilled etc. Mai and Red Hood are both good marksman, Todd uses guns mostly but he can translate that to throwing as well to match up with Mai who is almost as brooding as he is, but a little more emo lol. Tim doesn't really match up with Ty Lee as much as Dick does, but meh, this isn't a matchup battle lol. But yeah thanks, I was surprised this hasn't been done before, not even nightwing vs Azula or Ty Lee. My original fight was gonna be Batman vs Azula...but, well you already know lol

LOL.

#26 Posted by 202122 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

this isn't even a challenge the ex-robins wreck rather easily

#27 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

@202122 said:

this isn't even a challenge the ex-robins wreck rather easily

? explain..

#28 Posted by 202122 (1145 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ancient_0f_Days: @Batman242: ok

- Better training

- Better strength feats

- Better speed feats

- Better fighting ability

- Better teamwork

- Better gear/armour

or we could look at it through match ups:

Nightwing Vs Azula

maybe if she was allowed to use lightning she'd stand a chance but she isn't going to hit Nightwing, 10 batarangs later and a thump to the side of the head Azula hits the ground. Even if this becomes a H2H fight Nightwing shows much better fighting ability and even with fire hands she wont land a blow especially with the escrima sticks. Granted Dick's New 52 feats haven't been that impressive but pre-52 feats apply and he has the new 52 armour to give him a bigger advantage

Jason Vs May

NOT even a challenge, Jason has been trained by the all-caste and i argue is now the best fighter out of the new 52 ex-Robin's, i mean tbh i would've put Azula against him. May shows skill with her stars but Jason is way to quick to be pinned that and his impressive strength and deadly, no holding back style give him an easy victory

Red Robin Vs Ty Lee

Girl gets stomped, but seriously she's never been seen using weapons plus she's better without them and she's easily the best fighter out of the three avatar girls so she doesn't need weapons. Tim Drake's new suit and armour can take blows from machine guns and an angry Superboy Ty Lee's nerve touch won't even get through the armour. Tim turns his wings into 1 one big swinging strike and cuts Ty Lee in half, yeah she's quick but not quick enough to beat Tim. Granted if this was no armour shirts and jeans battle Ty Lee could pull of the win

#29 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#30 Posted by Batman242 (4862 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, I forgot about this thread. Still one of the best ones I've seen since I joined. Still don't know who would win.

#31 Posted by NeonGameWave (9141 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 has more skill, better equipment and much better feats but Team 2 has the greater firepower as well as agility, I would say that Team 1 would win after a long fight also they would have better team coordination in my opinion although Team 2 has a really good chance.

#32 Posted by Nightwing_1234 (122 posts) - - Show Bio

tim is winning against either may or Ty Lee due to his invincible cape blocking projectiles/nerve strikes. jason takes down either one also due to his advanced training. also i think if he went against ty lee, he could probably go in another trance like he did in the first few issues of red hood and the outlaws.. that could protect/heal him from nerve strikes. and dick vs azula, dicks suit is insulated to stop her lightening and fire retardant to stop.. well fire. plus i think hes better trained. so im giving it to the bat family

#33 Posted by Batman242 (4862 posts) - - Show Bio

BUMP

#34 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump lol

#35 Posted by morgrim (1029 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Ex Robins for the win

#36 Posted by Amaranth (8210 posts) - - Show Bio

I am going to go for team Robin.

Many of the arguments put forward above me are persuasive and I believe that this match is close in terms of skill and in terms of offensive abilities such as martial arts, fire, strength feats, pressure point abilities and so forth.

However what sways me toward the Robins is the fact they are equipped with exceptionally good armor and the ladies have zero armor at all.

That means the Robin's can afford to mess up, they can take a couple fire blasts while they learn, or even trade hits in a hand to hand brawl. The ladies can't, and in the end its a decisive advantage for team Robin.

#37 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#38 Posted by Batman242 (4862 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump. This deserves so much more attention.

#39 Posted by Dreadpool10 (1687 posts) - - Show Bio

I believe Team Robins wins. Nightwing will deal with Azula, Red Hood will defeat Mai, and Tim Drake most likely defeats Ty Lee.

#40 Posted by spiderbuck (2452 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 has more skill, better equipment and much better feats but Team 2 has the greater firepower as well as agility, I would say that Team 1 would win after a long fight also they would have better team coordination in my opinion although Team 2 has a really good chance.

#41 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12418 posts) - - Show Bio

meh